eye for an eye !!!
 

leaves the whole world blind..:2 cents:

If you agree with bin laden being murdered , you must also agree that there are reasons people deserve to be killed. If there are legit reasons to murder someone , who decides what is legit, who is to say obamas reasons are better than bin ladens reasons. You and i certainly don't get to decide if those reasons are fair. We are basically handing the decision over to obama. In a nutshell we are giving obama the right to decide who lives and who dies ( i.e. god )


murder is wrong because there is never a legitimate reason to murder someone.

Killing someone as punishment for killing someone is the most illogical thinking.

I did not vote for obama to be god or decide who lives and dies. We as americans should be ashamed that we are no better than "them"

Would have been interesting to have a world vote. or even better , try him before a court and let the victims families decide on his fate/punishment..

Welcome to the FBI's radar.

It sounds to me like he was killed resisting arrest. Far from murder. :2 cents:

Obama also ordered the killing of pirates when they had hostages.

I'm not crying about that either.

When you are a bad dude you risk death, whether your opponents intend on death or not.

it would've ended the exact same way... with him dead.

bingo. i'm fairly sure they would of taken him alive if possible.

i will give some examples..

In the following scenarios, who deserves to be killed..

american marine sells secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 100 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine sells secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 20 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine sells secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 2 us troops.

live or die ?


American marine sells secret documents about troop locations resulting in the injury of 5 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine LOSES secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 500 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine LOSES secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 100 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine LOSES secret documents about troop locations resulting in the death of 2 us troops.

live or die ?

American marine LOSES secret documents about troop locations resulting in the injury of 5 us troops.

live or die ?

everyone ( i hope ) would not think death is the appropriate punishment for each of the scenario's above. almost everyone will have a different opinion on where to draw the line. We are celebrating the fact that our opinion does not matter and celebrating the fact we are all too stupid to be a part of that decision so we are giving the right to life decision to obama. Thus making him our god who hands out life or death.

but the decision would be made by those MOST affected in a democratic fashion not by obama acting as god. :2 cents:

Obama is an elected official and therefor speaks and acts on our behalf.

You also seemed to be confused as to what constitutes murder and what constitutes self defense

How many outcomes are there on a raid?

Come out peacefully.

Come out dead.

Come out alive, beaten up, after heavy fighting.

How many of those were possible in this scenario? Two. One of those did not work out.

then obama should be saying something along the lines of.

"bin laden was a man playing god who thought murder was a justified solution to his problems. Murder is not a justified solution to problems. We tried and planned to take bin laden alive but alas he was killed during the attempt to arrest him and prosecute him before a court of law for the crimes he had committed"

So while most of the world is celebrating the end of an era, you are upset because he didn't say that we tried to take the man alive? Really? Boring day?

2 , dead or alive , but you can influence the outcome very easily.

we have them all the time in the usa "standoffs" , armed guy in house , basically no hostages but he aint coming out.. the cops could just rush in , but that would likely cause him to fight and die. Thats not what we do and we usually arrest the guy and very rarely he fights.

So you think the leader of Al Qaeda would willingly come along?

so your against the death penalty right? that is murder too as you are killing someone :2 cents:

The reports say the Seals gave him the opportunity to surrender, but he refused. So true or not who's going to disagree with their report after bin laden had previously said he would not be taken alive.

what era ended ? i am not upset i just found obamas speech as gloating and i don't think he should have the decision to kill people.

This doesn't sound like an attempt to capture bin laden , this sounds like an assasination.

if they truly attempted and goal was to capture him and he died attempting to evade his arrest then i have no problem with that.

if true then i have no problem with that . i wont celebrate it , i would rather see justice be served.

obviously..:2 cents:

don't think anyone has the right to kill someone unless they are actively defending themselves.

almost everyone gives up when they know they are cornered. If one of my family had been killed by bin laden , i would much rather have 5 minutes with him than see him dead.

I respect your beliefs, not everyone feels the same way.

What I cant stand is those annoying "dont eat animals" people who walk around in leather birkenstocks and leather jackets

If he would have surrendered maybe that would have happened. We may never know.

Kind of hard to take someone to court if they greet you with AK47 fire. That is the type of scumbag they were dealing with. No difference than a police officer trying to arrest a drunk driver that decides he isn't going to stop and that decides to try to run the cops over. He chose death by cop instead of surrendering to the courts.

edit: posted before reading rest of thread, basically said the same thing everyone else did.

"everyone gives up when they know they are cornered" is the key phrase. You are thinking in the terms of the criminal system. These guys are commited to their cause and will not give up for anything. They would rather die a martyr than sit in jail as a symbol for their captors.

And that is precisely what the SEALS were doing. Nice try though.

Besides, you know he would rather die as a martyr. He got his wish.

hard to make a fair laws for every circumstance. The judicial process should be more "custom" . While i don't believe in the death penalty, i would much rather that process be left up to the people affected.

the way it turns out now , some guy who has 4 kids and gets laid off , makes a bad decision drunk holds up a corner store for food money , fight ensues and gun goes off killing storeowner , the guy could get the death penalty. The guys wife and kids get no say in the punishment.

Sicko repeat child molester gets like 5 years, victims get no say in punishment.

Let's see some democracy in the judicial system and our military.

I thought the eye for eye thing was never kosher? if you're gonna bullshit, at least stay consistent with it.

sounded more like a hit squad, but if they were there to capture him and had to kill him while resisting then like i said i have no problem with that. would rather have seen him taken alive and would like to have heard that from our president.:thumbsup

touche.:1orglaugh. i was giving a little , it would never be my decision to kill someone. But i am just giving advice, as long as there are a few of us who don't believe in eye for an eye we will be the only ones with eyes left :1orglaugh

they are saying on cnn military officials say the operation was planned to kill bin laden

Well, there was about an hour delay from when they said the press conference would happen and when it actually did. Perhaps Obama was trying to contact you to make sure he worded it to your satisfaction.

It only sounds like a hit squad because it makes for a better thread.

Dont believe every thing you read

actually the decision would be made in each of those cases by a military tribunal following the UCMJ which does not provide much wiggle room in punishment, the first few examples are acts or treason and the Marine in question would, strictly following the UCMJ be put to death. The other examples are unintentional, but not forgivable so he would be punished, most like a BCD or dishonorable and serve jail time

read up 1 .. plan was to kill not capture..= hit squad

u fail :thumbsup

Why bother arguing with this asshat? He made the thread with a point to refute every single thing rebutting him. It's obvious.

The guy is dead, and EVERYONE on the planet is happy except for you. Stick to making redirects, tricky signatures and revealing VBulletin hacks. You are much better at that. :2 cents:

i wasn't asking about what the actual punishments were , i was asking what you felt was a fair punishment. Point being that everyones line is different. we are giving obama the right to decide where he wants the line to be despite where the line is for all americans

oh yeah? how about defending others? That makes for a good reason too....

when the police come to your neighbours house and bust open that door and get all the crack dealers out of there and they start shooting back at the cops are they supposed to negotiate a 'peaceful' solution? or are they going to shoot back and defend themselves and the neighbourhood instead?

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing here, you don't have a valid point at all... if they snuck in the bushes and fired off a round at him while he was sleeping I'd consider what you said more but this was definitely not the case...

Don't worry he isn't really dead.. haven't you heard all the morons who think that cause he was buried at sea.. oh and than the others who said he died years ago but we just now decided to let Obama take the credit for it!

understood. My personal beliefs is that we live by the rule of law, in the military that rule of law is based on the UCMJ and I agree with it. As for capital punishment for civilians (like myself) I am torn over it. In some cases I just cannot bring myself to think that life in prison is enough. Of course I am talking about extreme cases. But even then I would hope that it would be more of a deterrent to others... putting a criminal to sleep is not going to deter anyone :2 cents:

i think you are exaggerating just a bit :1orglaugh

umm ok ... in my defense my sig is not that tricky , it is a chick holding a dick, not sure what is confusing :winkwink:

as far as the redirects, i went to redirects anon and i have moved on to direct redirects now, but it has left me wondering , if i redirect a direct redirect , does everything just cancel itself out or ?

in 2007 lensman hired a hitsquad to kidnap me and erase my memory , so i have no recollection of said vbulletin hacks although i do recall installing something on your computer. no wait that was my computer :pimp:1orglaugh