Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18102196)

leaves the whole world blind..:2 cents:

If you agree with bin laden being murdered , you must also agree that there are reasons people deserve to be killed. If there are legit reasons to murder someone , who decides what is legit, who is to say obamas reasons are better than bin ladens reasons. You and i certainly don't get to decide if those reasons are fair. We are basically handing the decision over to obama. In a nutshell we are giving obama the right to decide who lives and who dies ( i.e. god )


murder is wrong because there is never a legitimate reason to murder someone.

Killing someone as punishment for killing someone is the most illogical thinking.

I did not vote for obama to be god or decide who lives and dies. We as americans should be ashamed that we are no better than "them"

Would have been interesting to have a world vote. or even better , try him before a court and let the victims families decide on his fate/punishment..

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18104947)

Killing civilians wasn't the objective of Osama's terror attacks? The objective of his terror attacks were to kill as many civilians as possible to create a shocking or appauling result and thus bring attention to his organization and political views. His goal for the 9-11 attacks was to cause a loss of life so great it would scar a generation's psyche.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18104947)

I hate when people throw up race or ethnicity out of the blue.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18104947)

If you keep trying to lock things and people down to "if then" statements you're going to have a difficult time and also paint yourself into a corner.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18105150)

you sound pathetic with posts like this.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105004)

You should read my last comments. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18105008)

Smokey, what is your ethnicity?

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18105374)

replace the word 9-11 in what you just said above with "iraq invasion" and osama with george bush..

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18105374)

out of the blue ? what have you been smoking lol

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18105374)

was a simple fact not a question or comment . if you think killing is justified then you must believe there are justified reasons to kill... if so what are the reasons and does it not make you a pussy for allowing someone else make those decisions without your input but use you as a reason.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18102950)

i don't see your point?

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

You're talking to a "bleeding heart" liberal who was against the invasion of Iraq since day 1 and thinks the Bush administration should be investigated for war crimes and I'm sorry, but even I know the difference between an act of terrorism and an unjust occupation of a country.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

It is out of the blue.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

our current president is brown. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

I do believe there are justified reasons to kill,

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

but just because I feel a killing was justified it doesn't mean I think ALL killings are.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18105677)

Morally people draw their lines in different places. What you're doing is taking where someone is choosing to draw a line in one instance and then forcing the line across the page to apply to multiple situations and scenarios, which is unfair and unreasonable.

You can't paint everything with the same brush, Smokey.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18106154)

if they result in the same outcome or in our case the unjust occupation kills 100 times the people , what is the difference ?

are you saying hitler was better than a terrorist because he used gas chambers instead of terrorism ? the millions he killed doesn't matter , a terrorist is worse for killing one man





sorry my bad , there has never been an issue with race and bin laden&9/11 :Oh crap bringing up race as an issue on middle east discussions is silly..






i was referring to the victim not the perp. :2 cents: in case you didn't notice , our president is not a baby



and do you think everyone shares the same list of justified killings ?


nobody said or implied that in any way, glad you feel that way though..


if you believe that is my opinion then you obviously have gotten your lines crossed.

What you just said is exactly the opposite of what you are arguing. I am not painting anything with any brush. what i said was eye for an eye is bad advice , and letting obama draw your lines for you without your permission but on your behalf is handing him way too much power.

I am interested in your list of justified killings though..if you got the cahones.

What i am saying is , your list right now doesn't matter and nobody else's does either. All that matters is obamas list.. and that maybe we should let the judicial system we have designed to deal with these questions make the list.. That is how we currently do it.. I live in texas ,we have the death penalty, it is a process, there is evidence , there is a jury of your peers if you choose, there is dignity. we choose this process , we could simplify it by shooting them in the head in the middle of the night , but we have learned that having this process makes us a better people..

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18102196)

leaves the whole world blind..:2 cents:

If you agree with bin laden being murdered , you must also agree that there are reasons people deserve to be killed. If there are legit reasons to murder someone , who decides what is legit, who is to say obamas reasons are better than bin ladens reasons. You and i certainly don't get to decide if those reasons are fair. We are basically handing the decision over to obama. In a nutshell we are giving obama the right to decide who lives and who dies ( i.e. god )


murder is wrong because there is never a legitimate reason to murder someone.

Killing someone as punishment for killing someone is the most illogical thinking.

I did not vote for obama to be god or decide who lives and dies. We as americans should be ashamed that we are no better than "them"

Would have been interesting to have a world vote. or even better , try him before a court and let the victims families decide on his fate/punishment..

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18105379)

that was a very logical and well thought out response , illustrating your points of contention perfectly and debunking each of the issues with methodical precision .:thumbsup:thumbsup

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18106557)

shelly knows what time it is :thumbsup

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18106542)

You keep saying that you're not trying to create if / then assumptions about what people think is right, but in the opening post on this thread and in almost every reply you've made you pretty much say "Well, if you think thats OK you MUST think this is OK too..." which as I've stated more than once I think is some bullshit.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 18106542)

That happens in Florida, you can't tell me they don't do that in Texas.

Originally Posted by theking (Post 18106561)

More logical and thought out then the pigshit you are posting.