Warning to anyone thinking of buying traffic from Python
 

I signed a traffic deal with Python on 14th March. They agreed to send me 50,000 clicks @ $0.04 per click. (It was a discounted rate because I was sending them about 50 sign ups per day at that time.)

I signed the agreement and faxed it back and was told my traffic would start on 20th March. It never came. I wrote to my account manager and he said (quoting from e-mail): "Every time I am told there is a spot available for you, some higher power takes it away from me, which is not fair for either of us. I am pushing yet again to get you out tonight, at least to get the ball rolling for you." Three days later I wrote again, and he replied: "Chris, things have been really screwed up here, and its not a fair reflection of us. We've been struggling through some internal changes, and were very shorthanded for a bit here. things are slowly getting back to normal."

We decided that I would leave it a couple of months while they got themselves organised, then try again. I accepted this, understanding that all companies go through difficult times and believing that they would get organised. They are a major player and I wanted to form a long term partnership with them.

They sent me a new contract to sign on 30th May. I signed and returned it immediately and was told the traffic would start the following Saturday. However, the following day a new account manager called to say her boss had refused to sign off the order and it had therefore been cancelled. I called the boss (Heather) and she confirmed that she would not honour the contract because she thought the rate was too low. I explained it was a longstanding agreement and the discount was due to me sending bulk traffic to them, but she wouldn't discuss it. She told me the price had gone up by 50% and I could take it or leave it.

Perhaps naively, I accepted the new rate. I though $0.06 per click was still an attractive rate and I was keen to make the most of a bad experience. I signed a new contract and faxed it back.

The traffic still didn't come. I found out today that Heather has left her job and has been replaced by someone who says the price has gone up yet again! Apparently, to recoup the losses they've sustained due to letting so many people down, he now wants me to pay $0.20 per click. I couldn't believe my ears!

Although I still think Python has a good affiliate program, I thought I'd publish this in case anyone else was thinking of going down the same path I did. It really isn't worth it.

Chris

PS - I've only posted this after trying hard to seek a solution with Python. I very rarely air dirty laundry in public.

interesting

now to hear pythons side

expose them all.

thanks.

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Doesn't suprise me one bit.

They tried to fuck me over on
a content plugin awhile back.

I gave them the ol' 1 2 3 :321GFY

I am not paying them the $400 or so
dollars either.. then can kiss my ass for
fucking me over.

Python = Shit

thanks for the heads up

tell them to fuck off.

What are you crying for sleazy? fuckstick..

Sounds like the man was more patient than i ever would have been.

I would like to hear pythons side though.

Thanx :thumbsup

Btw did you front them any money @ all?

damn, that fucked up.

Chrism -- If you're still looking to buy that quality of traffic for 4 cents per click, I do referral work for a company that will consider such a price. They have also made it known to me in the past that if any buyers are ready to buy up front in bulk they will go even a bit lower than 4 cents per.

Contact me: 31024634 (ICQ) or email me [email protected]







Note: the above-mentioned deal is not the same as the one listed in my signature.

are 5 and 6 cents really that good per click?

damn, better raise prices.

Yeah, they took the funds directly from my affiliate account. The first lot has been refunded already and I'm waiting for confirmation that they have refunded the second lot.

I don't think I'll be out of pocket from this - it's the timewasting and stupidity of it that annoys me more than the money.

It really depends on the quality of traffic, and from what type of links it is sent from. Obviously, for example, if you wanted to have your site's button listed in the adult section of yahoo, you'd be paying more than 4 cents per click I can assure you. That traffic would be highly targetted, and those that clicked your link would likely know ahead of time that they should be prepared to pay something when they reach your site.

That type of traffic is about the best it ever gets, and no, it doesn't come cheaply, nor should it.

Boy, they sure were trying to fuck you up the ass.

Way more patient than I could be...

As for Pythons reply,... I wonder if its coming...

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well if you r gettin your money back who cares :)

just because your deal went wrong, dosen't mean other peoples will.

you should also wait till you got all the money before you bitch hehe

Lots of people care when a company tries to bait and switch you to death.

well if things are as you said, a company should consider and deal with you as a top class webmaster, not because of the bulk signups, but for the understanding. I'm sure most of the webmasters would have started kicking earlier.

Thanks for letting us know. will always keep that in mind :thumbsup

all good points. in the yahoo button example, you would then mention in your 20 cent per click listing that you are a pay-site? i think some folks miss that point and waste lots of clicks. :thumbsup

it sucks to see that happen chrism..
unfortunately i've been down that road with them and their partners.. lets give them a warm GO FUCK YOURSELF when they do try to explain why they jerked him off from 4cents a click to 20 cents.. fucking pricks.

Yikes, sounds like an awful experience... perhaps a terrible comedy of errors.

To be honest, I've known the people over at Python for a long time now and every dealing I've had with them has been straight up. I even did Naughtymail some time ago (back when they didn't charge per click but per email) and it was a good experience. They delivered on time and exactly what they promised.

I've spent quite a bit of time with the owner and everyone in sales and marketing. I can assure you that if you've ever met Aly or Brett (ElvisManson on GFY) or anyone else from their team that you'd know it's not possible anyone was truly aiming to screw you.

It sounds like they obviously screwed the pooch on this one... but I am confident that this is somehow a fluke and I'm betting that after reading your entire explanation they will either work to make it right, resolve it privately or give a response here.

I can guarantee you that they value all of their affiliates both small and large. And, at 50 signups per day you can be rest assured that you are a star in their eyes and they'll likely roll the red carpet out for you. Shit, any affiliate program would.

I know first-hand that turnover can be really difficult to work through, especially when it's in a sales or marketing capacity. Often times deals are made through conversations and handshakes when people have an understanding with one another. When sales staff leaves often customers are left without having current 'deals' fulfilled properly. Replacement staff is left trying to figure out what mess has been made so they can pick up the pieces and do damage control. Because, if you didn't already know, there are very few salespeople that keep proper notes on their accounts... let alone keep a clean desk!

That's just my :2 cents:

Of all the people I've met in the industry.. and I'm confident that I've met quite a few.. they stand out as being some of the hardest working and most reputable people in the business. So, before everyone writes them off let's hear what they have to say. Mistakes do happen... especially when companies are large... and I hope they make everything right with you!

Cheers,

Brad

Doesnt sound liek that is what happened or how they "valued" him.

As he said the price kept going up, they dont cherish him, they were jerking him around.

:winkwink:

Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right.

Heres my list...

Cybererotica
Cyber Entertainment Network
Adult Revenue Service
Insite Adult
Python

There are others woth mention..

IGallery,IBroadcast ...


And pornication is not known to many as an Internet player to say, they are the kings of spam, with gamma. And I'm not saying that to dis' them, just pointing out what it is that they really DO for the industry.

'nuff said.

python=dollarmachine ??? :eek7

have you tried emailing Aly? [email protected]
she is very staightforward and honest.......i am sure she will get it taken care of for ya.

I won an mp3 player from python a couple of years back and never recieved it, all my follow up emails were ignored

Python sucks

"Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right." - Toolz

So I made a typo - go fuck yourself asshole.

Brad

With my best Nelson from the Simpsons voice: Ha ha


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It's simple they cut a deal sent a contract and then changed their minds.

Did they sign their part of the contract and did you keep a copy? If so go to a lawyer, if they took your money you could have a good case. Or post it up and show everyone what their written word is worth.

Anyone I employ makes a deal, it's a deal made by Banapro and we stick to it. Whether it's good or bad. The reputation we have built for business is the most important asset we have.

Python think otherwise, anyone considering doing business with them should consider this.

Hi guys. The much anticipated response from Python...
First and foremost, Chrism, I'm aware of your situation and want to address the issue.
Ted, email me your address and I'll send you anything we owe you.
Brad, Thanks for your 2 cents.
As we all know, reputation is everything in ths industry, and for good reason; we've had our fair share of dishonest businesses come AND GO and we all do our best to warn each other away from getting burned by bad deals. As a result, I'd be surprised if Chrism didn't make his bad experience public.
Python's been doing good, honest business in this industry since 1995 and has managed to maintain a very good reputation during that time. If we were in the habit of "screwing" webmasters, or simply making bad deals on a regular basis, we would not still be in business.
In Chrism's case, he's absolutley right to be pissed. He didn't directly lose any money on the deal, but we did not deliver what was agreed upon. This was a mess that has been addressed and prevented for the future. As I mentioned earlier, we can't stay in business if we make deals that don't work out.
Chrism, my apologies on behalf of the company. Thank you for teaching us a thing or two.

If any one else ever has an issue (such as a missing MP3 player!) don't hesitate to email me: [email protected].

If they had just changed their mind, I could have lived with that. What annoys me is that they lied over and over and over, strung me along for months and took my money twice under false pretences. We all make mistakes, but good companies deal with their mistakes and make amends - they don't continue lying to avoid facing up to the mess.

Chris

So, Aly, will Python now honour the contract?

If not, your apology is hollow.

even if that deal does go through..

after all that time of jerkin chrism around and fucking up the contract, and making you guys come onto the boards to tell him you're honest and all that other horseshit, i think you deserve a warm...

GO FUCK YOURSELF PYTHON!!

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Chrism, nothing I do is ever hollow. The apology is genuine.

If I were to say that we can and will honour the contract, I would be stringing you along. I would be telling you we'll do something that we clearly cannot do. For that particular deal, I recommend you take your money back and invest it in a deal that can be fulfilled.

We are not in the habit of making bad deals, and I am not in the habit of prolonging them when they happen.

No, Python will not fulfill the deal; they will however refund your investment.

Yes, the apology is genuine.

SinEmpire = :tongue:Python's Ass

Brad, you are SUCH a gulllible ass! Kissing Python's butt when they wouldn't take your calls when you wanted to whine! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Shit for brains greedy asshole! ROFL

:ak47: ASS KISSERS

What a crock of shit Python is! And I agree with Chris. Aly's apology IS hollow. Nothing you ever do is hollow, my FOOT! That's a bold claim that you can never live up to, you smelly person, you.