Warning to anyone thinking of buying traffic from Python - GoFuckYourself.com

chrism · 06-20-2002, 02:04 PM

I signed a traffic deal with Python on 14th March. They agreed to send me 50,000 clicks @ $0.04 per click. (It was a discounted rate because I was sending them about 50 sign ups per day at that time.)

I signed the agreement and faxed it back and was told my traffic would start on 20th March. It never came. I wrote to my account manager and he said (quoting from e-mail): "Every time I am told there is a spot available for you, some higher power takes it away from me, which is not fair for either of us. I am pushing yet again to get you out tonight, at least to get the ball rolling for you." Three days later I wrote again, and he replied: "Chris, things have been really screwed up here, and its not a fair reflection of us. We've been struggling through some internal changes, and were very shorthanded for a bit here. things are slowly getting back to normal."

We decided that I would leave it a couple of months while they got themselves organised, then try again. I accepted this, understanding that all companies go through difficult times and believing that they would get organised. They are a major player and I wanted to form a long term partnership with them.

They sent me a new contract to sign on 30th May. I signed and returned it immediately and was told the traffic would start the following Saturday. However, the following day a new account manager called to say her boss had refused to sign off the order and it had therefore been cancelled. I called the boss (Heather) and she confirmed that she would not honour the contract because she thought the rate was too low. I explained it was a longstanding agreement and the discount was due to me sending bulk traffic to them, but she wouldn't discuss it. She told me the price had gone up by 50% and I could take it or leave it.

Perhaps naively, I accepted the new rate. I though $0.06 per click was still an attractive rate and I was keen to make the most of a bad experience. I signed a new contract and faxed it back.

The traffic still didn't come. I found out today that Heather has left her job and has been replaced by someone who says the price has gone up yet again! Apparently, to recoup the losses they've sustained due to letting so many people down, he now wants me to pay $0.20 per click. I couldn't believe my ears!

Although I still think Python has a good affiliate program, I thought I'd publish this in case anyone else was thinking of going down the same path I did. It really isn't worth it.

Chris

PS - I've only posted this after trying hard to seek a solution with Python. I very rarely air dirty laundry in public.

payrollpete · 06-20-2002, 02:05 PM

interesting

now to hear pythons side

Fletch XXX · 06-20-2002, 02:06 PM

expose them all.

thanks.

SleazyDream · 06-20-2002, 02:06 PM

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J.R. · 06-20-2002, 02:07 PM

Doesn't suprise me one bit.

They tried to fuck me over on
a content plugin awhile back.

I gave them the ol' 1 2 3

I am not paying them the $400 or so
dollars either.. then can kiss my ass for
fucking me over.

Pipecrew · 06-20-2002, 02:08 PM

Python = Shit

thanks for the heads up

[Labret] · 06-20-2002, 02:08 PM

tell them to fuck off.

^R3K^ · 06-20-2002, 02:10 PM

What are you crying for sleazy? fuckstick..

Sounds like the man was more patient than i ever would have been.

I would like to hear pythons side though.

Goonx · 06-20-2002, 02:15 PM

Thanx

payrollpete · 06-20-2002, 02:16 PM

Btw did you front them any money @ all?

quiet · 06-20-2002, 02:18 PM

damn, that fucked up.

CDSmith · 06-20-2002, 02:26 PM

Chrism -- If you're still looking to buy that quality of traffic for 4 cents per click, I do referral work for a company that will consider such a price. They have also made it known to me in the past that if any buyers are ready to buy up front in bulk they will go even a bit lower than 4 cents per.

Contact me: 31024634 (ICQ) or email me [email protected]

Note: the above-mentioned deal is not the same as the one listed in my signature.

clickpimp · 06-20-2002, 02:34 PM

are 5 and 6 cents really that good per click?

damn, better raise prices.

chrism · 06-20-2002, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by payrollpete
Btw did you front them any money @ all?

Yeah, they took the funds directly from my affiliate account. The first lot has been refunded already and I'm waiting for confirmation that they have refunded the second lot.

I don't think I'll be out of pocket from this - it's the timewasting and stupidity of it that annoys me more than the money.

CDSmith · 06-20-2002, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by clickpimp
are 5 and 6 cents really that good per click?

It really depends on the quality of traffic, and from what type of links it is sent from. Obviously, for example, if you wanted to have your site's button listed in the adult section of yahoo, you'd be paying more than 4 cents per click I can assure you. That traffic would be highly targetted, and those that clicked your link would likely know ahead of time that they should be prepared to pay something when they reach your site.

That type of traffic is about the best it ever gets, and no, it doesn't come cheaply, nor should it.

Gary · 06-20-2002, 03:11 PM

Boy, they sure were trying to fuck you up the ass.

Fletch XXX · 06-20-2002, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ^R3K^
What are you crying for sleazy? fuckstick..

Sounds like the man was more patient than i ever would have been.

I would like to hear pythons side though.

Way more patient than I could be...

As for Pythons reply,... I wonder if its coming...

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payrollpete · 06-20-2002, 03:25 PM

well if you r gettin your money back who cares

just because your deal went wrong, dosen't mean other peoples will.

you should also wait till you got all the money before you bitch hehe

Gary · 06-20-2002, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by payrollpete
well if you r gettin your money back who cares

Lots of people care when a company tries to bait and switch you to death.

Theo · 06-20-2002, 03:34 PM

well if things are as you said, a company should consider and deal with you as a top class webmaster, not because of the bulk signups, but for the understanding. I'm sure most of the webmasters would have started kicking earlier.

Dreamman010 · 06-20-2002, 03:41 PM

Thanks for letting us know. will always keep that in mind

clickpimp · 06-20-2002, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
It really depends on the quality of traffic, and from what type of links it is sent from. Obviously, for example, if you wanted to have your site's button listed in the adult section of yahoo, you'd be paying more than 4 cents per click I can assure you. That traffic would be highly targetted, and those that clicked your link would likely know ahead of time that they should be prepared to pay something when they reach your site.

That type of traffic is about the best it ever gets, and no, it doesn't come cheaply, nor should it.

all good points. in the yahoo button example, you would then mention in your 20 cent per click listing that you are a pay-site? i think some folks miss that point and waste lots of clicks.

Jon · 06-20-2002, 03:49 PM

it sucks to see that happen chrism..
unfortunately i've been down that road with them and their partners.. lets give them a warm GO FUCK YOURSELF when they do try to explain why they jerked him off from 4cents a click to 20 cents.. fucking pricks.

Brad Mitchell · 06-20-2002, 06:35 PM

Yikes, sounds like an awful experience... perhaps a terrible comedy of errors.

To be honest, I've known the people over at Python for a long time now and every dealing I've had with them has been straight up. I even did Naughtymail some time ago (back when they didn't charge per click but per email) and it was a good experience. They delivered on time and exactly what they promised.

I've spent quite a bit of time with the owner and everyone in sales and marketing. I can assure you that if you've ever met Aly or Brett (ElvisManson on GFY) or anyone else from their team that you'd know it's not possible anyone was truly aiming to screw you.

It sounds like they obviously screwed the pooch on this one... but I am confident that this is somehow a fluke and I'm betting that after reading your entire explanation they will either work to make it right, resolve it privately or give a response here.

I can guarantee you that they value all of their affiliates both small and large. And, at 50 signups per day you can be rest assured that you are a star in their eyes and they'll likely roll the red carpet out for you. Shit, any affiliate program would.

I know first-hand that turnover can be really difficult to work through, especially when it's in a sales or marketing capacity. Often times deals are made through conversations and handshakes when people have an understanding with one another. When sales staff leaves often customers are left without having current 'deals' fulfilled properly. Replacement staff is left trying to figure out what mess has been made so they can pick up the pieces and do damage control. Because, if you didn't already know, there are very few salespeople that keep proper notes on their accounts... let alone keep a clean desk!

That's just my

Of all the people I've met in the industry.. and I'm confident that I've met quite a few.. they stand out as being some of the hardest working and most reputable people in the business. So, before everyone writes them off let's hear what they have to say. Mistakes do happen... especially when companies are large... and I hope they make everything right with you!

Cheers,

Brad

Fletch XXX · 06-20-2002, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

I can guarantee you that they value all of their affiliates both small and large. And, at 50 signups per day you can be rest assured that you are a star in their eyes and they'll likely roll the red carpet out for you. Shit, any affiliate program would.

Doesnt sound liek that is what happened or how they "valued" him.

As he said the price kept going up, they dont cherish him, they were jerking him around.

Toolz · 06-20-2002, 06:43 PM

Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right.

GoodChris · 06-20-2002, 08:17 PM

Heres my list...

Cybererotica
Cyber Entertainment Network
Adult Revenue Service
Insite Adult
Python

There are others woth mention..

IGallery,IBroadcast ...

And pornication is not known to many as an Internet player to say, they are the kings of spam, with gamma. And I'm not saying that to dis' them, just pointing out what it is that they really DO for the industry.

'nuff said.

kasst4s · 06-20-2002, 11:17 PM

python=dollarmachine ???

Stevie Ward · 06-20-2002, 11:59 PM

have you tried emailing Aly? [email protected]
she is very staightforward and honest.......i am sure she will get it taken care of for ya.

Ted · 06-21-2002, 05:04 AM

I won an mp3 player from python a couple of years back and never recieved it, all my follow up emails were ignored

Python sucks

Brad Mitchell · 06-21-2002, 05:26 AM

"Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right." - Toolz

So I made a typo - go fuck yourself asshole.

Brad

The Dawg · 06-21-2002, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ted
I won an mp3 player from python a couple of years back and never recieved it, all my follow up emails were ignored

Python sucks

With my best Nelson from the Simpsons voice: Ha ha

The Dawg

Paul Markham · 06-21-2002, 06:51 AM

It's simple they cut a deal sent a contract and then changed their minds.

Did they sign their part of the contract and did you keep a copy? If so go to a lawyer, if they took your money you could have a good case. Or post it up and show everyone what their written word is worth.

Anyone I employ makes a deal, it's a deal made by Banapro and we stick to it. Whether it's good or bad. The reputation we have built for business is the most important asset we have.

Python think otherwise, anyone considering doing business with them should consider this.

Aly-Python · 06-21-2002, 01:38 PM

Hi guys. The much anticipated response from Python...
First and foremost, Chrism, I'm aware of your situation and want to address the issue.
Ted, email me your address and I'll send you anything we owe you.
Brad, Thanks for your 2 cents.
As we all know, reputation is everything in ths industry, and for good reason; we've had our fair share of dishonest businesses come AND GO and we all do our best to warn each other away from getting burned by bad deals. As a result, I'd be surprised if Chrism didn't make his bad experience public.
Python's been doing good, honest business in this industry since 1995 and has managed to maintain a very good reputation during that time. If we were in the habit of "screwing" webmasters, or simply making bad deals on a regular basis, we would not still be in business.
In Chrism's case, he's absolutley right to be pissed. He didn't directly lose any money on the deal, but we did not deliver what was agreed upon. This was a mess that has been addressed and prevented for the future. As I mentioned earlier, we can't stay in business if we make deals that don't work out.
Chrism, my apologies on behalf of the company. Thank you for teaching us a thing or two.

If any one else ever has an issue (such as a missing MP3 player!) don't hesitate to email me: [email protected].

chrism · 06-21-2002, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
It's simple they cut a deal sent a contract and then changed their minds.

If they had just changed their mind, I could have lived with that. What annoys me is that they lied over and over and over, strung me along for months and took my money twice under false pretences. We all make mistakes, but good companies deal with their mistakes and make amends - they don't continue lying to avoid facing up to the mess.

Chris

chrism · 06-21-2002, 01:58 PM

So, Aly, will Python now honour the contract?

If not, your apology is hollow.

Jon · 06-21-2002, 02:04 PM

even if that deal does go through..

after all that time of jerkin chrism around and fucking up the contract, and making you guys come onto the boards to tell him you're honest and all that other horseshit, i think you deserve a warm...

Jon · 06-21-2002, 02:04 PM

GO FUCK YOURSELF PYTHON!!

Aly-Python · 06-21-2002, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chrism
So, Aly, will Python now honour the contract?

If not, your apology is hollow.

Chrism, nothing I do is ever hollow. The apology is genuine.

If I were to say that we can and will honour the contract, I would be stringing you along. I would be telling you we'll do something that we clearly cannot do. For that particular deal, I recommend you take your money back and invest it in a deal that can be fulfilled.

We are not in the habit of making bad deals, and I am not in the habit of prolonging them when they happen.

No, Python will not fulfill the deal; they will however refund your investment.

Yes, the apology is genuine.

TikiTiki · 06-27-2002, 09:43 PM

SinEmpire =

Python's Ass

Brad, you are SUCH a gulllible ass! Kissing Python's butt when they wouldn't take your calls when you wanted to whine! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Shit for brains greedy asshole! ROFL

ASS KISSERS

What a crock of shit Python is! And I agree with Chris. Aly's apology IS hollow. Nothing you ever do is hollow, my FOOT! That's a bold claim that you can never live up to, you smelly person, you.

Paul Markham · 06-27-2002, 10:05 PM

I think this is very clear.

They made a deal, which they decided not to honour. So anyone dealing with Python be warned these guys DO NOT KEEP ALWAYS THEIR WORD. They took Chism's money, that to me is the end of it, they should deliver.

Why not, two reasons come to mind. They are so big they do not care if they screw people. They are so small they cannot afford to honour this deal.

The apology is meaningless. You made a bad deal, what for a lifetimes supply or a one off? This thread is hopefully costing you more than the deal would have cost you.

You are bad businessmen, who think it is all right to make a deal then change your mind when it suits you. That is the way of small men.

Should you for any reason at any time think about doing business with me, forget about it. I do not deal with people with your business morals.

Choker · 06-27-2002, 11:11 PM

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Quote:

No, Python will not fulfill the deal

Anyone who deals with Python after reading this post is a real dumbass IMO. Fuckers admit they won't honor the deal because it is not in their best interest, WTF, Python, you just publicly proclaimed that your word is shit

chodadog · 06-28-2002, 12:02 AM

I've been waiting for Python to reply to this thread before i commented. What can i say.. Dissapointing.

To put it bluntly, you fucked him over, and then continued to fuck him over time and time again. The very least you could do would be to honour the deal. Take the loss, and get back some of the reputation you've undoubtedly lost from this thread having been posted.

Pathfinder · 06-28-2002, 12:05 AM

It seems to me Python's decision verges on being illegal.

Socks · 06-28-2002, 12:43 AM

What's wrong with the math here.. Doesn't python make a fucking killing in this business? How much would it damage your business to (shamefully, I mind you) collect $3,000?!

How much is THIS damaging your business?

FATPad · 06-28-2002, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aly-Python

No, Python will not fulfill the deal; they will however refund your investment.

Yes, the apology is genuine.

That's it? You string him along for months, then when he finally blasts your company in public, you grudgingly step forward and say you're not honoring a deal you made and you're sorry?

Brujah · 06-28-2002, 02:46 AM

Damn, Python's reputation is for sale for a measly 50,000 clicks. Who would've thunk it.

Got some real smart one's working for that company!

Paul Markham · 06-28-2002, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aly-Python

In Chrism's case, he's absolutley right to be pissed. He didn't directly lose any money on the deal, but we did not deliver what was agreed upon.
&
We are not in the habit of making bad deals, and I am not in the habit of prolonging them when they happen.

If this idiot worked for me I'd sack him. He admits he made a bad deal and [b[THE COMPANY[/b] does not have the morals to stick with it. A model turns up for me and I can not shoot her because it's my fault I pay her. Why? My word is worth more than it costs, Python do not think the same.

I wonder if Python shave or screw their suppliers? It seems they have a company policy of doing what suits them with clients, I wonder what there ethics are regarding suppliers?

Paul Markham · 06-28-2002, 03:56 AM

I just reread your post Chrism

I assume you are not sending them any more sign ups.

Who says it was 50 THEM or you?

a1ka1ine · 06-28-2002, 04:02 AM

shameful... im sure there were good people in there at the start.. that just got replaced.

.20 a click is a joke though. unless they are clicking "got a credit card? want to sign up for some porn? then clikc here!"

06-20-2002, 02:04 PM	#1
chrism Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 256	Warning to anyone thinking of buying traffic from Python I signed a traffic deal with Python on 14th March. They agreed to send me 50,000 clicks @ $0.04 per click. (It was a discounted rate because I was sending them about 50 sign ups per day at that time.) I signed the agreement and faxed it back and was told my traffic would start on 20th March. It never came. I wrote to my account manager and he said (quoting from e-mail): "Every time I am told there is a spot available for you, some higher power takes it away from me, which is not fair for either of us. I am pushing yet again to get you out tonight, at least to get the ball rolling for you." Three days later I wrote again, and he replied: "Chris, things have been really screwed up here, and its not a fair reflection of us. We've been struggling through some internal changes, and were very shorthanded for a bit here. things are slowly getting back to normal." We decided that I would leave it a couple of months while they got themselves organised, then try again. I accepted this, understanding that all companies go through difficult times and believing that they would get organised. They are a major player and I wanted to form a long term partnership with them. They sent me a new contract to sign on 30th May. I signed and returned it immediately and was told the traffic would start the following Saturday. However, the following day a new account manager called to say her boss had refused to sign off the order and it had therefore been cancelled. I called the boss (Heather) and she confirmed that she would not honour the contract because she thought the rate was too low. I explained it was a longstanding agreement and the discount was due to me sending bulk traffic to them, but she wouldn't discuss it. She told me the price had gone up by 50% and I could take it or leave it. Perhaps naively, I accepted the new rate. I though $0.06 per click was still an attractive rate and I was keen to make the most of a bad experience. I signed a new contract and faxed it back. The traffic still didn't come. I found out today that Heather has left her job and has been replaced by someone who says the price has gone up yet again! Apparently, to recoup the losses they've sustained due to letting so many people down, he now wants me to pay $0.20 per click. I couldn't believe my ears! Although I still think Python has a good affiliate program, I thought I'd publish this in case anyone else was thinking of going down the same path I did. It really isn't worth it. Chris PS - I've only posted this after trying hard to seek a solution with Python. I very rarely air dirty laundry in public.

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06-20-2002, 02:34 PM	#13
clickpimp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,159	are 5 and 6 cents really that good per click? damn, better raise prices. __________________ eventually, earth will lose. enjoy it while it lasts.

06-20-2002, 02:05 PM	#2
payrollpete Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,527	interesting now to hear pythons side

06-20-2002, 02:07 PM	#5
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Doesn't suprise me one bit. They tried to fuck me over on a content plugin awhile back. I gave them the ol' 1 2 3 I am not paying them the $400 or so dollars either.. then can kiss my ass for fucking me over.

06-20-2002, 02:08 PM	#6
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Python = Shit thanks for the heads up

06-20-2002, 02:08 PM	#7
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	tell them to fuck off.

06-20-2002, 02:10 PM	#8
^R3K^ Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,815	What are you crying for sleazy? fuckstick.. Sounds like the man was more patient than i ever would have been. I would like to hear pythons side though.

06-20-2002, 02:15 PM	#9
Goonx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,048	Thanx

06-20-2002, 02:16 PM	#10
payrollpete Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,527	Btw did you front them any money @ all?

06-20-2002, 02:18 PM	#11
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	damn, that fucked up.

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06-20-2002, 03:25 PM	#18
payrollpete Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,527	well if you r gettin your money back who cares just because your deal went wrong, dosen't mean other peoples will. you should also wait till you got all the money before you bitch hehe

06-20-2002, 03:34 PM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	well if things are as you said, a company should consider and deal with you as a top class webmaster, not because of the bulk signups, but for the understanding. I'm sure most of the webmasters would have started kicking earlier.

06-20-2002, 03:41 PM	#21
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06-20-2002, 03:49 PM	#23
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	it sucks to see that happen chrism.. unfortunately i've been down that road with them and their partners.. lets give them a warm GO FUCK YOURSELF when they do try to explain why they jerked him off from 4cents a click to 20 cents.. fucking pricks.

06-20-2002, 06:35 PM	#24
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Yikes, sounds like an awful experience... perhaps a terrible comedy of errors. To be honest, I've known the people over at Python for a long time now and every dealing I've had with them has been straight up. I even did Naughtymail some time ago (back when they didn't charge per click but per email) and it was a good experience. They delivered on time and exactly what they promised. I've spent quite a bit of time with the owner and everyone in sales and marketing. I can assure you that if you've ever met Aly or Brett (ElvisManson on GFY) or anyone else from their team that you'd know it's not possible anyone was truly aiming to screw you. It sounds like they obviously screwed the pooch on this one... but I am confident that this is somehow a fluke and I'm betting that after reading your entire explanation they will either work to make it right, resolve it privately or give a response here. I can guarantee you that they value all of their affiliates both small and large. And, at 50 signups per day you can be rest assured that you are a star in their eyes and they'll likely roll the red carpet out for you. Shit, any affiliate program would. I know first-hand that turnover can be really difficult to work through, especially when it's in a sales or marketing capacity. Often times deals are made through conversations and handshakes when people have an understanding with one another. When sales staff leaves often customers are left without having current 'deals' fulfilled properly. Replacement staff is left trying to figure out what mess has been made so they can pick up the pieces and do damage control. Because, if you didn't already know, there are very few salespeople that keep proper notes on their accounts... let alone keep a clean desk! That's just my Of all the people I've met in the industry.. and I'm confident that I've met quite a few.. they stand out as being some of the hardest working and most reputable people in the business. So, before everyone writes them off let's hear what they have to say. Mistakes do happen... especially when companies are large... and I hope they make everything right with you! Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

06-20-2002, 06:43 PM	#26
Toolz Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Podunk Posts: 690	Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right.

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06-20-2002, 11:17 PM	#28
kasst4s Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: UK/PL Posts: 113	python=dollarmachine ??? __________________ Know how to vote? Vote for yourself! - Izrael '83 UIN: 124749240

06-20-2002, 11:59 PM	#29
Stevie Ward Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: sunny place Posts: 96	have you tried emailing Aly? [email protected] she is very staightforward and honest.......i am sure she will get it taken care of for ya.

06-21-2002, 05:04 AM	#30
Ted Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 830	I won an mp3 player from python a couple of years back and never recieved it, all my follow up emails were ignored Python sucks

06-21-2002, 05:26 AM	#31
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	"Sounds like you're pretty tight with Python there SinEmpire, maybe next time you can get BRENT'S name right." - Toolz So I made a typo - go fuck yourself asshole. Brad

06-21-2002, 06:51 AM	#33
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	It's simple they cut a deal sent a contract and then changed their minds. Did they sign their part of the contract and did you keep a copy? If so go to a lawyer, if they took your money you could have a good case. Or post it up and show everyone what their written word is worth. Anyone I employ makes a deal, it's a deal made by Banapro and we stick to it. Whether it's good or bad. The reputation we have built for business is the most important asset we have. Python think otherwise, anyone considering doing business with them should consider this. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

06-21-2002, 01:38 PM	#34
Aly-Python Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Hollywood Posts: 1,439	Hi guys. The much anticipated response from Python... First and foremost, Chrism, I'm aware of your situation and want to address the issue. Ted, email me your address and I'll send you anything we owe you. Brad, Thanks for your 2 cents. As we all know, reputation is everything in ths industry, and for good reason; we've had our fair share of dishonest businesses come AND GO and we all do our best to warn each other away from getting burned by bad deals. As a result, I'd be surprised if Chrism didn't make his bad experience public. Python's been doing good, honest business in this industry since 1995 and has managed to maintain a very good reputation during that time. If we were in the habit of "screwing" webmasters, or simply making bad deals on a regular basis, we would not still be in business. In Chrism's case, he's absolutley right to be pissed. He didn't directly lose any money on the deal, but we did not deliver what was agreed upon. This was a mess that has been addressed and prevented for the future. As I mentioned earlier, we can't stay in business if we make deals that don't work out. Chrism, my apologies on behalf of the company. Thank you for teaching us a thing or two. If any one else ever has an issue (such as a missing MP3 player!) don't hesitate to email me: [email protected]. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-21-2002, 01:58 PM	#36
chrism Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 256	So, Aly, will Python now honour the contract? If not, your apology is hollow.

06-21-2002, 02:04 PM	#37
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	even if that deal does go through.. after all that time of jerkin chrism around and fucking up the contract, and making you guys come onto the boards to tell him you're honest and all that other horseshit, i think you deserve a warm...

06-27-2002, 09:43 PM	#40
TikiTiki Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 17	SinEmpire = Python's Ass Brad, you are SUCH a gulllible ass! Kissing Python's butt when they wouldn't take your calls when you wanted to whine! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Shit for brains greedy asshole! ROFL ASS KISSERS What a crock of shit Python is! And I agree with Chris. Aly's apology IS hollow. Nothing you ever do is hollow, my FOOT! That's a bold claim that you can never live up to, you smelly person, you. Last edited by TikiTiki; 06-27-2002 at 09:49 PM..

06-27-2002, 10:05 PM	#41
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I think this is very clear. They made a deal, which they decided not to honour. So anyone dealing with Python be warned these guys DO NOT KEEP ALWAYS THEIR WORD. They took Chism's money, that to me is the end of it, they should deliver. Why not, two reasons come to mind. They are so big they do not care if they screw people. They are so small they cannot afford to honour this deal. The apology is meaningless. You made a bad deal, what for a lifetimes supply or a one off? This thread is hopefully costing you more than the deal would have cost you. You are bad businessmen, who think it is all right to make a deal then change your mind when it suits you. That is the way of small men. Should you for any reason at any time think about doing business with me, forget about it. I do not deal with people with your business morals. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

06-28-2002, 12:02 AM	#43
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I've been waiting for Python to reply to this thread before i commented. What can i say.. Dissapointing. To put it bluntly, you fucked him over, and then continued to fuck him over time and time again. The very least you could do would be to honour the deal. Take the loss, and get back some of the reputation you've undoubtedly lost from this thread having been posted.

06-28-2002, 12:05 AM	#44
Pathfinder theking of trailer parks Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tehachapi, California Posts: 2,277	It seems to me Python's decision verges on being illegal.

06-28-2002, 12:43 AM	#45
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	What's wrong with the math here.. Doesn't python make a fucking killing in this business? How much would it damage your business to (shamefully, I mind you) collect $3,000?! How much is THIS damaging your business?

06-28-2002, 02:46 AM	#47
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Damn, Python's reputation is for sale for a measly 50,000 clicks. Who would've thunk it. Got some real smart one's working for that company! __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com