.XXX Why Wont It Go Away.....The Real Reason....
 

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I sat in Phoenix at the Forum last week with Tom Hymes who was at that last .XXX hearing, he informed at that time "he could have killed it" only if he had our industy support. For those who dont know about .XXX it could be the slient silver bullet that could forever kill our industy forever.

I say to the large and small companies to come together as one, to once and for all say "dont fuck with us" by showing the support. All i would take is a letter to the Free Speech group showing your non support of this .XXX. The .XXX people are convinced we are unable to get our shit together....

So before you post up another "would you hit it" post on GFY, why not do something pro active to stop this .XXX deal from passing. Its as simple as contacting the FSC to send a letter or contact the larger companies you send traffic to to submit a letter showing there non support.

No its not going to go away, and yes we can do something....:2 cents:


The latest:

Contract Talks Over .XXX Have FSC Concerned
Just when it looked like ICANN had buckled under U.S. Commerce Department pressure to shelve the proposed .XXX top-level domain, leaving ICM Registry in the cold, the Free Speech Coalition is concerned that .XXX may once again be alive and well. At issue are a series of correspondences between ICANN?s General Advisory Committee, Commerce and ICM regarding contract provisions that, if adopted, would be binding on all .XXX domains.
http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=14274

interesting...bastards have seen a business opportunity!

Plan was simple...and easy...they figured we would NEVER come together to oppose this, now the Govt sees a great chance to put us in the ".XXX GHETTO"

Its real and there is a ton of money at stake....the people in the .XXX are in the process of "selling us out" to the Govt. 2cents





Hey just a wake up call to everyone...

Amazing:

WASHINGTON, March 16, 2006 (AFP) - Two US senators proposed legislation that would establish a new ".XXX" domain for racy or sexually explicit websites.
The bill proposed by senators Mark Pryor and Max Baucus, both Democrats, calls upon the US Department of Commerce to exclude sexually charged content from established website domain names such as .gov, .com, .org, .net, and .edu.

Baucus said at a press conference that the .XXX domain would help parents use filtering software to keep children from accessing pornographic sites, and would help prevent hapless Internet users from inadvertently stumbling onto sexually-explicit websites that they would prefer not to see.

"While the Internet is an exceptional learning tool, it allows children the same easy access to websites about space shuttles as it does for pornography," said Baucus, adding that violators would be subject to a hefty fine.

"This bill will section off a piece of the Internet neighborhood and confine adult sites to one location," the Montana senator said.

http://sayanythingblog.com/2006/03/1...d_in_congress/





http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6302380-1.html

Looks like the FSC needs more money, of course :)

On a side note, can someone explain to me how .xxx would be so bad? I mean seems to me those accessing .xxx would be 18+ with credit cards and ratios would go up, impulse says may go down, so would sales to kids using mom and dads cc but wouldnt .xxx really just attract the same customers we have now. Or do you think the lack of reaching younger people and grooming them to become porn consumers is whats at stake here? Im sure there are a million factors Im missing.

how are tey going to handle making sure everyone get's an .xxx domain that is the same as their .com domain? What if the .net version of the domain is atually larger and more profitable site than the .com one? Who is then going to get the .xxx?

It's going to be a nightmare

Sadly Mike I think you're wasting your breath here.

This is GFY where people either don't care because they're in it for the quick buck or too dumb to think further than the end of their cock.

Just think - if Paul Revere had been trying to warn a bunch of GFYers that the British were coming you guys would still be part of the Empire. :helpme

FFS, it just never stops

:Oh crap :Oh crap

Please explain to us dumb and ignorant people how .xxx is going to hurt the industry as a WHOLE? Sure it may hurt many of us who have made brands and invested lots of money in our current .coms but dont you think if .xxx is implimented it would be regulated and legitimize our industry a bit? This is our problem, we are not looked at as a legitimate industry.

there has been 20 threads about it, do a search :)

When they lock us away in our own TLD filtering us will be so much easier - you will probably find that it will require the surfer to physically email their ISP and ask to be allowed to see .xxx domains - and of course they will have to provide two sources of ID to show that they really are over the age of 18.

Now how many people do you really think are going to go to that trouble to tell someone that they like to sit in dark rooms and wank themselves while looking at adult sites?

Think at least two steps down the track and I'm sure that you can come up with at least three other good reasons why we should not want to be locked away in .xxx.

You've obviously been around since 2003 - now start thinking like someone who has a few more clues than a newbie.

Nope. It's not that less people would want to go to your sites, it's the fact that the government, ISP's. businesses, and on and on could block access in 2.21 seconds. Everyone uses this legitimize argument too, there is nothing you can do to legitimize porn with the US gov.

The same way they handle every other new extension that comes out, with a lot of people crying a bitching and having to deal with it. :thumbsup

1. Lots of people over the years have rented adult movies, bought adult magazines and purchased adult toys online and offline. The process is discrete yet transparent and without the stigma of shame because there is a PLACE and PROCESS for those purchases.
2. If the online adult industry was regulated we could eliminate those in this industry that do things the less than legal and obtrusive way thus opening the door to have the government actually listen to any lobbyists we may send.
3. Sales ratios would go UP and chargebacks would go down because you eliminate a wide swath of consumers that are not supposed to be consumers.
4. Call me names whatever if thats your intelligent argument I cant wait for .xxx to drive some of you older sites out of business to make way for a new generation of regulated porn pushers.

And to those naysayers who think the US government would never legitimize porn, thats bullshit because money talks and as long as we are regulated(and that is the key thing here) and only verified adults are our consumers they can take a hands off approach all the while reaping the benefits of the money from this industry. Hell most rich people in this country have a vested monetary stake in the porn industry already, through umbrella companies.

You are either an obstinate fool or totally naive.

One more sheep to the slaughter baaa baaaa

exactly.

Yes your $1000 a month webmaster skillz are gonna push out the old businesses who have and are making millions. Sure ratios will go up, the 3 people that get to your site are credit card ready porn addicts looking for a fix.

What a childish response you didnt even counter any of my points, heh what do I expect from GFY these days.

Porn is a product that is in high demand you honestly think that consumers wont do anything they can to access it? As I see it most of you are having knee jerk reactions to any type of change from any governing entity. Granted with the constant assaults on this industry I dont blame you, you keep sending money off to a losing battle, I for one will embrace any changes that come down.

Look, I don't give 2 shits what YOUR government does. The only thing that will happen is AMERICANS will have to put porn on .xxx, ISP's around the world will filter it out, so will many places people surf from. When that happens my ratios will fly because I don't have to follow your stupid ass rules. :upsidedow

"...but what concerns me is the fact that our success (for having conquered the "prove it" challenge) is distracting us from a much bigger picture than that contained between a customer's mouse and our payment processor -- for all these billions we're making, there's STILL a whole lotta OFFLINE world -- with a whole LOTTA influence over our success -- and I AM NOT talking about legislative or regulatory events, which, if anything, DE-FOCUS us further from BIZ-AS-USUAL -- i'm talking about the basics -- PR -- branding, and the level of political sophistication required by ANY large industry, much less one with so many inherent political challenges... more

2hp

And THERE IS THE REAL ISSUE isnt it? Dont fool yourself, Americans are the largest consumers of porn in the entire world. Sorry if I read this wrong but I think you said your ratios will fly when you lose American business?

The internet should be for adults only
keep kids off the net until they are 18

"The DOTxXx TLD is a strange beast. In some ways, it?s like a classification for the entities operating there ? it could be used to create categories of rights, like we distinguish the rights of Citizens in the US from non-citizens. In other ways, it is like a territory ? a place separate from other places, a place with a border around it ? a place with different laws, perhaps... more

2hp

Now you are talking like a n00b :2 cents:

Think about having large corporations buying the .xxx version of all your current .com domains before you even have a chance to blink.

Then having one company charging 5 times the cost of other domains selling you some obscure 15 letter domain because that's all that's left.

What good is .xxx going to do when hate, violence and weapons are running all over the Internet any way?

I don't know why, but for some reason the phrase, "if you make guns illegal only criminals will have guns."

If you think people with illegal sites are going to be concerned with .xxx you are only kidding yourself. :2 cents:

baddog these people would be much easier for the government to go after and prosecute if .xxx was regulated because the government would know exactly who owns what .xxx through verified means(unlike the joke of a system we have now which lets anyone own anything even with fake info). Im not saying it would eliminate 100% but it would go a long way at protecting the legal websites out there. By implementing .xxx essentially the government is ALLOWING and GIVING YOU PERMISSION to run a porn site which makes the burden of legality shared between the owner and the government. Granted this doesnt deal with non-USA entities but since a large portion of porn consumers in the USA does it really matter? Im not trying to say .xxx would not have flaws but look if we dont allow the government to regulate us in some manner eventually we will ALL be labeled as criminals. What IS the alternative I ask?

If he actually believes that I have some gold mines in florida to sell that guy. I'll bet my left nut, hell both nuts and my cock that if this passes that I could still type in http://thehun.net and reach a porn site.

Not really. Let's see major hotels show porn so they make moeny off porn. I have Charter cable. They show porn they are making money off porn. And they are not the only cable company to do so. Google makes tons of money of porn just from webmasters that use Adwords. I could go on and on with example of major US corporations that make money from porn.

I wish that the FSC were more in it to help, then to make money. but hey I guess thats business.

As for the .xxx letter of no support, who can we send it to.

Splum, If you and the supporters of the .xxx tld. have such a need to be regulated, then why not just make an organization, where you make all of these rules and regulations on yourself? You can call it N.A.I.V.E. short for "No Adult Is allowed to View our Entertainment". You can choose only to use the .cr tld - short for "Censorship Rules" - for all of your sites.

No reason to bother ICANN and the rest of world, with your submissive urge... You can do this TODAY! :thumbsup

I bet $100 bucks that you are a) Under the age of eighteen OR b) Not based in the USA.
I didnt say I supported it, my position is that there are a lot worse things on our horizon than .xxx and I am indifferent to it. I dont really think you understand the climate of the US political scene nor do you probably care... but you should because most of your customers are in the USA and they are cared for and controlled by the US government. Dont be so close minded, regulation has its benefits and does not have to mean censorship. Hell if anything right now we are under selective censorship, if one of our sites pisses off just the right person, whammo you are done for. Is this the way you want to do business? Not knowing from day to day which entity is trying to shut you down. If you were under .xxx guidelines and were not doing anything illegal you would not have this worry. Again my viewpoint is that of a US based webmaster and I am those outside of the US could give two fucks.

also if they do this will they allow .com owners and .net and whateveer else extensions to foward their domains to the XXX extension then if that is allowed what was the purpose at all

I wouldn't be so sure on that chad. The majority of porn transactions are from the USA last stats I saw.

Anyways, an .xxx implementation will cause massive litigation which would inevitably defeat it.

my 0.02 are that xxx has it's pluses and minus's. most on gfy see it as a pure negative, but when a 10 year old sees a wet hahahaha close up, thats not a nice image too see at 10 years old. Its like to them a nasty wound, because they dont feel any "horny" genes for none of that internal shit so to speak, they are just curious for tits and bum.
It would also make the people with the popular domains v v v v rich.
thats obvious though

I see the switch as being chaotic and people losing out on old bookmarks and trade picked up for working hard a very long time.

But however you have to see what the majority of the world thinks, (or america) we are not normal people, they perceive as, they see us as sweaty old men. I know this because I started so late in this game.


Another point is yes, business etc will have access to the software, but fuck me, how many surfers surf porn in office hours??!!? most get banned anyway because people can see history, so that point is useless.
The only winners I see in this game are the kids, the popular xxx domains. and thats about it

And arguing shit like parents should do more, is absolutley pointless, you need hard chunky, crunchy FACTS and good data.

like in all industries, the big playa's will come out on top and the little shrimps will be out. so cya manowar.

Playboy channel and Showtime hardly qualify as porn

Another big problem is it will just force people over seas rather than actually changing anything.

Then you choose to FIGHT those things on your horizon... you do not surrender - never!

Sex have ALWAYS been controversial - people who have enjoyed sex and pornography have for centuries been labeled as outkasts, put in jail or even murdered. It is therefore our moral obligation to continue this fight - to fight not only for our freedom to distribute pornography, but also for people to view it. When you choose to surrender some of your freedom, then it only encourage those that do not like you to take it all. Compromise can only be made by two equally strong opponents, if one is weaker than the other, then you will have to beg for mercy. And personally I only plan be on my knees for those that I love, not those that hate me :2 cents:

How will I lose Americans business? My sites aren't forced to some crap TLD everyone bans and my .coms will continue working forever. ;)