APIC is threatening ME!?
 

They send me urls of galleries that AP banners are on and say the images are owned by a list of copyright holders, when I ask for for at least one specific image owned by one specific copyright, so we can contact the webmaster, they give me this shit:

And send the same list of galleries

So guess what? I made this stupid charade public

HAHAHA Way to go Lens! Fucking lame email that they send you btw!

DynaMite :thumbsup

I fucking hate APIC
cant get them off my neck ever since I started

let-spider-the-usenet-for-imgs.com :Graucho

What do the thieves having your banners on their pages have to do with anything?

Of course I guess a case could be made for DMCA that since you are the one processing their traffic, you are liable...

Never really thought about it that way tho.

APIC are little bitches.

Yes, it's weak at best, but we want to help. But why do they make it so HARD TO HELP them?

Because you're not letting them prove to the world that they're forcing you to help them.

Lensman, I'am pretty tight with everyone at APIC, if you need a hand getting in touch with them or anything else, give me a call, I'll bail you out...:) There really not so bad if you know them.

they have taken him over... :Graucho

HAHAHAHAHA nahhh, but I do work with them on copyright issues that arise on my hosting. They are also human and they do make mistakes.
Lensman, I don't want to talk anymore about apic here, so if you need any assistance, you know where to find me.:winkwink:

APIC sounds like a bunch of faggots.
If they claim your ads on a page with copyright material they should provide you with the info you requested.

Tell them to provide you with straight answers or FUCK OFF!
How dare they dick around when you reply.

they sound like abunch of lawyers trying to make a buck

god bless america

APIC! This is all we want.

URL of alleged stolen image:
URL of page where image appears with AmateurPages banner:

NAME of copyright holder:
URL of copyright holder image page (if applicable):

Then we will notify the affiliate to produce a license or remove the images or they will be terminated from the program without payment.

Is that too difficult?

Tell them to act professional.

Why are they being so confrontational?

Dumbasses have obviously not learned how to work with other humans.

I recieved a similar email from some lawyer joker just this morning. I politely told them to we didn't own the site and had no control over the content. I then told them to hire someone with an understanding of the internet so as not to look like an ass in the future.

they thanked me for my prompt reply. :)


hehe, the threatening to go public with you is SOOOOOOOO funny.
why can't I get someone that stupid anymore?

APIC LAYWERS = FAILED TO PASS THE LAWSCHOOL AT LEAST 5 TIMES BEFORE SUCCESS :1orglaugh

I don't like the way they're handling this, but really I think the burden has to be on the person USING the pictures. Lens should tell APIC "I'll withhold payment until this is settled." That should get the guy off his ass, and then once the guy realizes his $ is at stake, he'll shit in his pants and either produce his license or take the gallery down.

Sounds like a standard request within your legal rights.

no, Lens should reply,"see you in court half wit"

I'd do the same...

It get's funnier, my last email exchange:
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"I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly."

Stay off the cough medicine

From your emails below:

To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected]


-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:26 PM
To: Lensman
Cc: Chris Bolton
Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa


interesting.
So I guess you guys control the freehosting sites too?
I never copied Likewhoa in that notice. It came down instantly.

AMATEURPAGES is behind all of these scams.


----- Original Message -----
From: Lensman
To: Apic-Worldwide
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa


Page is 404.

-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:57 PM
To: Lensman
Cc: Chris Bolton
Subject: Re: 5363 likewhoa


Andi Sue Irwin
PENTHOUSE
http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...3/mixo-353.jpg

Chris Bolton,
Please be advised that AMATEURPAGES who supports approximately 50% of the theft of copyrights, refuses to co-operate.
This person LENSMAN, obviously considers himself a photographer also, is listed as the contact. All contacts have failed to act accordingly

APIC

----- Original Message -----
From: Lensman
To: Apic-Worldwide
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: 5363 likewhoa


Give us at least one specific image location owned by each of your clients, and we will serve the affiliate with a cease and desist notice.
-----Original Message-----
From: Apic-Worldwide [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:16 AM
To: Ampages; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: SGold; ALS Legal; JS Hicks; Jan Vels; Bill Schwanke; APIC; D Defrancesco; IMCO
Subject: 5363 likewhoa


NOTICE of COPYRIGHT-TRADEMARK, or RIGHT of PUBLICITY INFRINGEMENT

APIC - WORLDWIDE

3325 Griffin Road

Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33312

(954) 983-7312





Our association, the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright ("APIC") (<http://www.apic-worldwide.com>), an Internet organization dedicated to the continued education of copyright law and enforcement of such law on behalf of our members, has been notified by one of our members, that a web site, is infringing upon our member's intellectual property rights. This site is hosted by your organization . APIC is an authorized agent, and has a good faith belief that the copyrighted work described in the paragraph below is being used in manner that is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent(s) or the law.

Anyone profitting from theft of property can be held liable under the RICO Act.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2002...102_lead.shtml

Sponsored by AMATEURPAGES



Date: April 22, 2002



To:



Bulygo, Stan [email protected]
1122 Coney Island Ave
#213
Brooklyn, NY 11230
US
718-421-7835




/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Infringing URLs:



http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...xo3/mixo31.htm

through

http://exotic.adults-house.com/buttt...o3/mixo330.htm



30 pages of stolen images

(c) Denys Defrancesco

Suze Randall

Jan Vels

J Stephen Hicks

Alsscan

Steve Easton

Bill Schwanke

Scarlett Media

IMCO Bookpress



/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



Infringing the Intellectual Property of others is against the state and federal laws of the United States as well as many other international countries. Such infringement may provide for substantial financial penalties and / or potential criminal prosecution. Please immediately: a) remove the referenced material from your Online Service Provider, b) provide APIC with written or electronic confirmation of its removal, and c) take other appropriate action against " " to prevent future infringement.

Pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf>), this letter serves as actual notice of infringement in the event of legal proceedings.



Mr. Callahan is the director of APIC-Worldwide, NOT an attorney. On behalf of the owner of the exclusive right to the material at issue in this notice, I hereby state that I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the owner, its agent, or the law. I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed as set out in this notification.



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APIC WORLDWIDE, (the Association for the Protection of Internet Copyright), is a non-profit membership organization dedicated to the continued education of Internet copyright law and enforcement of such law through the co-operation of international, domestic, federal, state, and local statutes, laws, and ordinances. Additional information can be found at:



http://www.apic-worldwide.com



http://www.whatiscopyright.org



Berne Treaty

http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html



USC 18-2257

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html



INTEGRITY OF COPYRIGHT MANAGEMENT INFORMATION

Article 12 of the WCT provides adequate and effective legal remedies against any person knowingly performing any of the following acts knowing, or with respect to civil remedies having reasonable grounds to know, that it will induce, enable, facilitate or conceal an infringement of any right covered by this Treaty or the Berne Convention: (i) to remove or alter any electronic rights management information without authority; (ii) to distribute, import for distribution, broadcast or communicate to the public, without authority, works or copies of works knowing that electronic rights management information has been removed or altered without authority. In addition, it is a criminal offense to violate section 1201 or 1202 willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain. Under section 1204 penalties range up to a $500,000 fine or up to five years imprisonment for a first offense, and up to a $1,000,000 fine or up to 10 years imprisonment for subsequent offenses. Nonprofit libraries, archives and educational institutions are entirely exempted from criminal liability. (Section 1204 (b)). For additional information on THE DIGITAL MILLENNIUM COPYRIGHT ACT OF 1998 visit:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/legislation/dmca.pdf

What's LikeWhoa got to do with it?

They're part of my secret plot.

Wow.. Steve went on record in public stating that AmateurPages supports 50% of all copyright theft ?

The caped crusader often leaps before he looks. Throw him a bone and he'll act like a pit bull FOR you instead of against you. MUCH EASIER - as time is money.

I am pretty sure you have at least one attorney. Have him handle this shit, that is what you pay them for. Or, a few of the BP4L crew could take a trip to FL and straighten this matter out for you.

Actually, I think it is.

All you really need is the URL of the page and a typical photo (assuming it's a set). Then ask your affiliate to FAX a copy of his license to APIC and you. You don't really need to know the actual copyright holder's name, since your affiliate should already have that, if he's legal.

Can you say "Slander" and "Defamation of Character"?

I'd make him prove that in court. Of coursae, I have more time on my hands than lens.

Bullshit. You couldn't have your employer withhold your salary from you at your job just because some third party complains that you're wearing his stolen shoes. Withholding your pay for a third party takes a court order.

Sorry for the bad analogy, but holding payment because of some random third party complaint, without proof, is bullshit.

If they have proof that this person is stealing content, then I'm all for cancelling the account and kicking some ass.

BTW, APIC knows about this thread, but refuses to answer in public.

no shit. we produce our own content, exclusive only, and deal with copyright infringement on a weekly basis. i will never use those cocksuckers to protect anything of ours. look at the accusations they are throwing around now. too funny.

'apic will save our industry' - lol.

That'll work.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Bullshit. You couldn't have your employer withhold your salary from you at your job just because some third party complains that you're wearing his stolen shoes. Withholding your pay for a third party takes a court order.

Sorry for the bad analogy, but holding payment because of some random third party complaint, without proof, is bullshit.

If they have proof that this person is stealing content, then I'm all for cancelling the account and kicking some ass. [/QUOTE

Think about it: If using stolen images is against the program's rules, then if Lens has already paid out, what's he supposed to do: go hat in hand and beg for his money back, as you seem to want him to do?

This way, the money isn't lost if the photos are legal, and how fucking long does it take to send a FAX, anyway?

They are losing potential members. I've been thinking about joining them, but if this is how they handle things, they look like a bunch of clowns.

Too bad. It would make for a damn fine thread to see them get thrashed around here. Normally I would support their efforts at least but this seems pretty cut and dry and it does not look good on them.

hehehe Hey Lens, would it be a violation of copyright for me to copy and paste your post to a few other boards? :1orglaugh

How dare you base your decision on who to do business with because of their looks. If that is how everybody felt then you would never get any sales. :winkwink:

Go for it Aaron

Tell'em you use NutScape 4.7x....

And you can't see any pic's..

The page come's up as blank white...
except it has the free host banners is all.:thumbsup

You sure? Your not trying to trick me so you can send APIC my way are you?