how are things looking with tgp2?
 

Just wondering if theres anything to report from the tgp2 world? Are there any numbers in?

I had to agree with serge in his interview


It was dead before it even started

Gotta agree...stick a fork in it. TGP2 is dead.

I'm still getting hits from on gallery I did at the start of TGP2
If you want to keep giving away content you've paid for - keep with TGP....

It's obvious that the general public is not aware that there a tgp2 option available. A quick check on search engine stats will show that while TGP received 7,000 + look ups in the past 30 days, TGP2 received 3. (Compared to a couple of million for free porn).

We have to stand back and remember the basic rules of marketing. The customer does not know nor care what a TGP or TGP2 is. If the proper marketing is there, (Which means ton's of links, top spot search engine positioning,... ie: lots of money thrown behind it to make it work) then the surfer will find it. But for anyone to think that the TGP2 movement will just grow on it's own would be simply foolish.

My 2 cents . (actually my 1.2 cents US, as I am in Canada)

They may not know, but if you were a surfer on a TGP and went to a TGP2 site why would you bother staying?

This site gives me 20 pics per gallery, this site gives me 5 pics, hmmm...

I see your point, as far as fresh (never seen a TGP) traffic, but for a seasoned surfer its a no brainer...

From my perspective as a newbie, there is NO TGP2.

I built a nice TGP2 gallery. Submitted it to both gallery pools and a buttload of alleged TGP2 gallery sites. Mostly non-recip sites, but I also made a version using the central recip and posted it to a buttload more sites that use that recip.

Got posted pretty much everywhere I submitted, and my gallery got snagged out of the pools by a number of places I didn't submit to. But I never got more than ten or twenty page views a day to the gallery.

As near as I can see, there simply isn't any significant volume of TGP2 traffic. Now, I admit I'm a newbie, and there's probably lots of things I did wrong or could do better, but why bother? I didn't see any evidence of traffic worth pursuing.

Now I wish I'd spent that time building more regular TGP galleries.

tgp2 is a cool idea, but it is dying!

Why exactly do you say that?

I agree, it's dead/dying. After 2 solid weeks of submitting to TGP2s, I have seen 3 lousy sales. Same sponsors with TGP I have made over 36 sales (as of this afternoon) in only 11 days. No surfer in their right mind is going to want to deal with a TGP2.

My TGP2 sites grew quite steadily this month (about 50%) in both traffic and revenue.

TGP2.COM is one of the more popular wm boards.
http://www.tgp2.com/cgi-bin/ultimate...c&f=1&t=000338

We have report after report from TGP1 owners of failing sites, sell-outs, and massive problems generating revenue. These are all over the internet.

Two weeks ago, LudeDude and I were on Max Cash Live and it was the most listened to show in the history of Max Cash Live. Why? What's going on? What do some people know that you don't?

Someone tell me why my TGP2s get the same bookmark rates and the same returning bookmark rates as my TGP1s? Look around. Figure it out.

I don't think anyone has seen anything useful contributed by that one in the last 25 years.

Who cares if they don't search for "TGP2"? That is so totally beyond the point.... Shit I don't like the name myself but it makes zero difference to the success of the movement, a "quick check on search engines" says nothing to me of meaning what-so-ever.

Well it may be a no brainer but your quite simply totally wrong.

TGP1 surfers are bookmarking TGP2 sites everyday.

Gee I only upped my productivity from 150% to 250% and doubled my revenue in the last month. Must be dead I better sell my site before my bandwidth bill blows out.... pfft...

To those that think they know everything about TGP2 without even trying it..... I say.... Good luck in future.

-Ben

It works for me not a huge revenue stream, but its growing.

I honestly dont think the surfer cares if it is 5 pics, 10pics or 50pics.

All that matters is they find a few that they can wack to.

What I do like is the more agressive advertising that is allowed on the gallerys.

For those of you making money 10+ singups a day on tgp, why bother with tgp2 until you start to see a decline in revenue.

Webmasters can like whatever they want. It is TGP traffic that is driving TGP2 right now. How long do you think people are going to go for that? It is all supply and demand. People wanted TGP - you are giving them TGP2 - after a while - they will figure it out and go to regular TGPs.

No matter how many webmasters complain that too much free porn is being given away - people will still find it and webmasters will still post it. You can try and change the system all you want.

What people type into the search engines is very relevant. It shows what people want. People want TGPs - they are willing to book mark them and search them out. This is the type of customer you want.

You know Colin I mean no disrespect but this is exaclty how I look at it.

You can post report after report on how successful your tgp2's are blah blah blah...but you guys are like the Amway guys...sure there's money to be made but it's going to be for that selecte few who get in on the ponzi scheme at the very beginning...and nothing filters down to those below.

Hell if anyone had a couple of tgp's laying around pulling in 10-20K a day in traffic they could feed a tgp2 with they might see some success as well...much like a guy like Lane can start a tgp today and have it pumping over 20K in a couple of days.

Don't know exactly what the quality of it is but he stands a better chance of generating money off that traffic than your average adult webmaster who decides to up and start their own without a traffic source to pull from.

My point being in I guess a round about way...is your success more than likely has nothing to do with the fact that it's a tgp2 site but more or less with the fact that you can feed these sites traffic and lots of it.

I dare you...no...I double dog dare you...hell no...I trible dog dare you to open up a TGP2 and without feeding it any traffic from any of your other sites or anyone else's for that matter build it up like the avg webmaster would have to using trades more in line with his traffic level and then come back each month and "report" to us how much money you're making off of it alone.

It doesn't matter so much. Sure we try to convert webmasters, it means more traffic for everyone in TGP2 and less content for the surfers. But when it comes to the bite it's just that TGP2 has a profit margin, while for 99% of webmasters TGP1 does not.

You can go on posting the free porn and making a lil money selling software on the side that removes the cookies which were the last hope of your paysite sales being counted.

We'll go on posting less free porn and making more money off better sponsors. :-)


The example given was in no way relevant at all. Why would anyone search for TGP2? They are searching for the porn they want not the site type they want it from. The only reason TGP even gets searched for is because of the last 2-3 years of branding.

PEOPLE WANT PORN

They DO NOT want TGP1
They DO NOT want TGP2

THEY WANT PPL FUCKING ON THEIR SCREEN!

If they happen to find what they wanted on a TGP2.... Then it's bookmarked.

So the whole spirt of the argument that more people search for TGP1 then TGP2 and therefore it's the future is totally baseless.


Is that how you built your site?

Did you just put it up, not send it any traffic and hope it would grow?

That is a pretty damn stupid comment....

"I dare you to grow a site without sending it any traffic and see if you can do it".... um... duh....


Your talking about TGP1... There will always be profit to be made in TGP2... Not just for the ground floor... and not just for those with a billion hits. Any webmaster can and will be able to make a profitable TGP2 even in future.

Where does this angst come from? Are TGP1 owners so upset about their conversion ratios and bandwidth bills that a lil talk about TGP2 is so threatening that it has to be put down with a whole bunch of BS just to make TGP1 sleep better at night.

-Ben

Its TGP3 its all the rage now

Tgp2 died along side the titanic:ak47:

TGP2 might not be big yet, but it definitely has possibility... I built some TGP2 and TGP1 galleries using the same content. I submitted the TGP2 galleries to many different TGP2's and my TGP galleries to some of the big TGP's. I got more signups off the TGP2's and a much smaller bandwidth loss. Plus, I got to use the content many different times. TGP2 may not have the traffic of TGP, but when and if if does, it'll be huge.:2 cents:

TGP2 has outstanding profit ratios. The bandwidth is minimal, so the hosting is cheap. If you have a dedicated box, you won't notice a drain. I have have a TGP2 site on a virtual account (about $50/month). The site can generate over 10x's that in one month. I would love to see the traffic grow, as long as the profit remains.

I don't see this as an either/or situation. I see this as just one more thing to do to make money.

I don't scream "death to TGP" or "death to TGP2". I could give a fuck about that. I just want the money.

mryellow try reading my comments before responding to them.

I said try building a site and not send traffic from your pool source of tgp traffic but build a tgp2 from scratch and build it trading traffic with those that would be on your level.

A guy like Colin I'm sure has plenty of traffic flowing through various sites that he could feed a new site with...it would be nice if everyone had that but that's just not the case.

So once again and for those of you with remedial reading skills...build it from scratch like an average webmaster...trade traffic with those who average webmasters would be trading traffic with based on your traffic level (and according to tgp2 rules you are required to trade with only tgp2 sites)...and then come back and tell us how much money you're making on it...once again I dare you.

Hell anyone can make a successful site if they have a pool of traffic to feed it which I'm sure Colin and Wolfshade had.

The simple fact is a majority of the tgp2's have shit traffic and a simple gallery maker is not going to make a whole helluva lot of money off of it.

And regardless of how much you preach the benefits of TGP2 which quite frankly I agree with the concept of...you will always have stiff competition from the guy who is giving away more...in the end it will be quality that prevails...whether it's a tgp1, tgp2, or tgp 3000 site.

Everyone knows i was a sceptical as anyone.

My new tgp2 is averaging $200 a day and it is only a couple weeks old. Not to bad for a new site I think.

But all you guys should stay out of it. its bad.. the more stay away the better i will do.

Have a nice day ;-))

And what did you feed it traffic with?

bought traffic, banner exchanges, trades with tgp2's, feeder galleries, toplists, my own traffic sources.

The way I see it I wouldn?t give you shit for traffic searching for the term "tgp" or "tgp2".. Traffic is traffic, but that?s probably as low niche oriented as anything. Plus the surfers that are looking for those terms are going to be veteran surfers. They are decent for income, but more than likely they are the type of surfer that will run a image spider on your site. That?s the way I see it. It may be flawed but I do not want a surfer that knows what TGP means. I want a surfer that is going to be a good sale, not one that has seen it all.

R3K I appreciate the response...but the simple fact is you will probably have a successful site regardless of what the concept is because you have the means of making it a success....TRAFFIC.

Not downplaying any of your other skills but if you have the skill to generate traffic in this biz you've got this shit down and can use and abuse it for whatever purposes you desire.

Whether that is feeding a tgp, cj, cj2 or tgp2 site...I congratulate you on your success.

Thank you for the Complements but i still have alot to learn before i become a Traffic Pimp

What's your tgp2? Cause I dont know any that make that much a day.

Unless of course you are wolfshade/codecrawler, cause they make way more then anyone else has.

I tried my own TGP2 site and was unable to keep bookmarked traffic :(

So I just redirected the traffic:)

^R3K^, what's you site? We all are really interested in that.

Also, we don't need other people like CC who claim they make 50k$/month. Nobody is buying that kind of crap.

Please tell us your url.

Time for me to speak up here I think.

I'm one of the "average" webmasters who built a tgp2 site with no outside traffic to feed it. It was done on a few trades, a few well placed links on freeloader/hotlinker boards and watching my stats like a hawk.

Hard work, but I did it. It's probably nothing to the TGP1 guys pulling in 200k a day, but from the numbers that I have seen, tgp2 *is* growing - steadily.

Second site is up already, and third should be up by the weekend - again, all started from scratch. I was considering buying some traffic to start the third one off, but I want to continue the way I'm going, just to see if I can do it.

I'm straying off the point slightly (or one of many points). I see a lot of TGPs being put up for sale, read lots of posts about people complaining about the "good old days" where you could make $x per 1k of traffic, but now it's the same $x for traffic x 100 - TGP2 offers something that a lot of gallery makers have been wanting - freedom in their creativity, and the numbers and conversion show that the more aggressive approach in tgp2 (not to mention the "blank canvas", so to speak) is also appealing to the surfer.

It's not about competition - this is not a pissing match between TGP1 and TGP2 saying "we're better than you" - it's about finding what works for *you* and your skillset, and putting it to good use.

Dracula please dont compare me to CC. ;-)

:winkwink:

I did read it but decided to be a picky bastard :-)

I've seen the success the railz is seeing in the Promo Post stats everyday. The webmasters that signup to the syndicated gallery listing are mostly fairly new. Some have traffic pools but it's mostly just a lil overflow from maybe AVS or free sites, sometimes TGP1 sites with the webmasters that have been around longer. The kind of traffic they send is the kind that doesn't come in bulk but is mainly quality. With a little trading and "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts" they manage to trade and grow quite quickly. I know these webmasters any myself are seeing profits in TGP2....

To go with what's been said b4... I don't really care if you know that TGP2 rocks... So I probably won't post much more on this, you can get some more useful stuff outta, other then my blabba.... I just thought that the sprit of the thread seemed to think that TGP2 wasn't at all viable and anyone talking about it doesn't know anything.... We'll I think anyone can see that's wrong.

I can't agree more. I just saw a site today that had a link to his Pornstar TGP2 saying that it was awesome series quality stuff.... Then a link to his TGP1 saying "Quantity NOT Quality".

-Ben

I really wanted the tgp2 to work and most likely I didnt try hard enough but the facts are theres only a hand full of TGP2 sites that have good traffic. I still have a TGP2 site its starting to pick up a bit lately mostly because I found one good trade and linked back to them several times. There just isn't the good trades out there everytime Id pump in some traffic the trades where about the same they just didnt have it to send back. Maybe I should have looked for better trades ? Theres no doubt TGp2 is a better system lower BW better conversions = more mon It might be a shame but it seems a" If only" to me

If we could go back in time 6 years, then TGP2 would be great.
We missed that chance & its time for the facts.
A gallery with 20 thumbs but only 5 open to a large image is absolute horse shit. No surfer in their right mind is going to bookmark those sites.
No TGP2 will ever compare with the TGP's already out.

Like I said, if TGP's were never used, then the TGP2 idea would work. But right now you have both & a TGP is more attractive to the surfers.

TGP2 was a great idea, but it has failed big time.
If only it came out several years ago.....

20 thumbs with 5 that open didn't work. Most places don't allow unlinked thumbs anymore. TGP2 does have people capable of learning from their mistakes. ;)

Surfers don't know what a TGP2 is until you tell them. That's why I HATE it when TGP2 owners plaster the word "TGP2" all over their main page. It tells the surfer that there is a TGP1 and that makes him curious about what it is. Surfers go to their comp and "surf for porn". They don't sit down and go "I'm going to a TGP1 today and find some free pics."

I list 5 pic galleries, and I know a few other people who do in addition to their standard 15 to 20 pic galleries. Bookmarkers haven't been affected at all. Surfers will bookmark good sites no matter how many pics each gallery has.

This war between TGP1 and TGP2 is stupid. The goal is the same for everyone. Make $$. Neither one is inherently better than the other. Almost all of the succes of a site depends on the person running it and what they do with their traffic. I do think TGP2 has an advantage because less free porn should mean more conversions, but just slapping a TGP2 label on a site does NOT make it an automatic money maker, nor does slapping a TGP1 label on another site make it an automatic loser. If you suck at running a site, all the 5 pic galleries in the world won't get you traffic or make you money.

There has to be some way for both sides to try and work together to reduce the amount of free porn available (even slightly), and make more $$$ without having to declare war on the other and destroy it.

The TGP2 people could learn a lot about traffic generation and manipulation from the bigtime TGP owners, and the TGP can in fact realize that listing 5 pic galleries won't destroy their traffic base if they work with some of the larger TGP2 owners and see that their traffic is capable of growing and being a sizable force.

eroswebmaster, you're a moron. :D

I started my TGP2 site with zero traffic feeding it, I traded, I changed layout and scripts quite a few times, and I grew. I NEVER traded with sites outsite of TGP2 and if a site changed back to whatever it was before going TGP2, I dropped the trade. 0-6K/day. I started a second site and I will start more. I'm making around $5-10/1000 visitors to my site, depending on the day, now how many people outside of TGP2 can say that, be it CJ, CJ2 or TGP? How many did you say? Yeah, that's what I thought...

To all of them against TGP2, I shouldn't really say anything, since you're obviously obtuse enough in order to shoot yourselves in the foot by using a formula that isn't broken quite yet, so you can wait another day to fix it. :D But I will, try out TGP2, try it out THOROUGHLY (no submitting 1 gallery and saying traffic and conversions sucked...), start your own TGP2 sites and trade. You'll be amazed.

^R3K^ - What's your tgp2?

Or was your post above about making money full of shit?

I will grant that more people search for TGP than TGP2, because they don't know about it, but that totally ignores what people want. People DO WANT TGPS - that is why they are searching for it. This isn't just people searching for "free sex" they are searching for "TGP".

They know what a TGP is. Does anyone honestly believe that the surfer would PREFER TGP2 over TGP1? Please - anyone who believes that is kidding themselves. People go to places like the hun - because they get exactly what they want. People might book mark TGP2s - but no one is going to replace their hun book marks with it.

That is not to say you can't make money at it - it is similar to findwhat and kanoodle versus google. No one in their right mind would use one of the former if they knew about the latter. So you are only making money off of people who are too ignorant to know any better. There is nothing wrong with that. However, kanoodle and findwhat have agreements with other companies to get traffic - real established companies. I suspect that most of the traffic from TGP2s can be traced back somewhere to regular TGPs - and this is where I see the flaw.

But hey - if you can make money off of it - that is the real proof - so even if I am right - who cares - as long as you can make a profit. I just don't see it as a long term business model.

I don't have any problem with TGPs or TGP2s - I just think most webmasters are kidding themselves into thinking THEY CAN RESHAPE the market. TGP2s are no magic bullet and I would be willing to bet that most people that are making decent money at TGP2 - were also profitable at TGPs. Most webmasters are not - and these are the people that would be attracted to TGP2.

Interesting posts so far :)

I wanted to throw in my :2 cents:

We are talking about marketing pics here not movies - and with the price of b/w today it is cheap to make money with TGP1's.

The arguement about one being better than the other (in terms of free porn surfer experience) and people eventually migrating to the tgp's in my opinion is not vaild.

A few posts earlier -- it says that surfers bookmark TGP2's at the same rate they do TGP1's and frankly those surfers that go looking for other "better" free porn sources are a waste of time anyways for the most part.

If TGP2 converts better than 1:50,000 uniques and uses less bandwidth (smaller factor based on cheap hosting these days) then it would be worth it to switch.

Converting to TGP2's could work and would work if every big player in the TGP biz converted to TGP2 format simutaneously (lol)

For the most part it would be the same traffic pool being traded around and around - surfers would get TGP2 format and accept it (as proven apparently) - surfers wouldn't migrate to TGP1's and if they did - hell let them go - there punk asses should be migrating to a paysite anyways!

Bringing this many parties together is near impossible - unless there was some more "endorsed public" data/results.

:winkwink: