that's true because no one could unite the tgp2 owners from the start. i decided to give it a try one day and after 1 hour, i found out that i have to create like 31 different templates for 33 different tgp2s. i'm talking of:

-- only 5 pics; 5-10 pics; just 5 pics linked and 10 unlinked.
-- no recip, central recip, at least 2 other recips
-- full pics on html 1 ad, full pics on html 2 ads, no full pics on html

that's just a few. i found it more than stupid to spend 4 hours a day making some tgp2 galleries, submit them and get 100 hits in return.

right from the start, you should have worked as 1 webmaster - the same rules, at the least. you acted like children and each one of you decided to play the big-shot game creating more and more ridiculous rules - seemingly, just to look different from the rest.

that's what killed the whole idea. ah, and please, stop talking bullshit about MORE income from tgp2. this is simply not true. why? simple - because it is STILL a tgp no matter how many thumbs are linked.

This is easy. One TGP2 visitor is worth 6x what a TGP1 visitor is. Why? One reason is that there is
much more ad space.

Pics allowed on HTML pages. This is huge. I send a LOT of visitors from my HTML pages to the sponsors.

With only 5 pics per gallery, the ads both above and below the thumbs are more easily seen.

TGP1 doesn't have consistent rules either. Some require 20 pics. Some don't. Some require certain sized thumbs. Some require recip links. Some don't. How do you manage all that?

People don't try different rules just to look different from the rest. People try different rules because they believe those rules will work better for them and make them more money. The better ideas will will in the end.

The bottom line is TGP2 is here to stay. It is a very viable free site model. It started in the middle of July of last year and is still here. In 4 more months, it will have been around a year. That's a pretty long time for our business.

Love it Hate it. It makes noise.

Just like me.

Yes and so does my asshole..but it doesn't mean it's worth investigating:Graucho

Hey, is this where I join the Porn Barons?

=o)

You know what I think is soo funny:

Watching this whole debate - and seeing what are suppose to be "adults" acting like children!! :thumbsup WTG!!

I mean, honestly people, why do you TGP1 people hate TGP2? And the same for TGP2??

Why don't you just do both and see what works for YOU.

We are all in this business (at least that's what I thought it was) to make money, right?

So do whatever you want to do to make YOUR living and go on with life.

We all have our personal opinions about both TGP1 and TGP2, and we are all free to voice those opinions...but at least do it in an "adult" manner.

That is all...you can go about your :BangBang: debate now.

Colin,

As you state above, if you want to make money with TGP2, make a TGP2 site. Well, I don't want to start a TGP2 site, I have enough to do right now. However, DamageX's claim that making tgp2 galleries and submitting them to the pools and using AHK for the other submits and it brings sales is false. I have been doing that with results that I am now getting less traffic to my galleries than I was when the tgp2 movement started, by a factor of about 10x less. I am lucky to get 500 uniques to a gallery and no sales.

Your tgp2 traffic may be making YOU money, but for a gallery maker ONLY, it is worthless, IMHO.

"Yes and so does my asshole..but it doesn't mean it's worth investigating"

A full investigation is pending. Lisa is on her way over.

JustDave,

I don't hate TGP1. I own about 10 TGP1s. I also own 10 TGP2s.

Given that I have experience running TGP1s with anywhere from 5k to 110k/day AND many TGP2s, I can safely say that I am one of only a few webmasters that can safely compare the two for a wide range of traffic numbers.

For the large majority of webmasters, they would make more MONEY running TGP2s than TGP1s.

There are exceptions. Use the 6x rule. If you can get 60k TGP1 traffic, you have to compare that to 10k TGP1. Which is easier for you?

I would say any webmaster that has been running a TGP1 for 3 months or more and has less than 30k traffic would make more money in TGP2 very fast than they make in TGP1. If you can get 30k TGP1 traffic, you can get 5k TGP2 traffic. Same money AND less bandwidth.