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theking 09-01-2004 07:24 PM

Newt Gingrich told Hannity tonight
 
...John Kerry secretly went to Paris three times and spoke with the Vietnamese...I think during his days of a war protester.

If this is true (I somehow doubt that it is)...it will probably be the nail in his coffin for the office of the Presidency.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

theking 09-01-2004 08:01 PM

Bump.

theking 09-01-2004 09:36 PM

Does anyone have any information about the "Newt's" statements?

The Truth Hurts 09-01-2004 09:43 PM

it's not a secret... he's admitted doing so.

mardigras 09-01-2004 09:47 PM

Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.

mardigras 09-01-2004 09:49 PM

I spoke to a Vietnamese the other day... are you going to insist I pay too?:winkwink:

The Truth Hurts 09-01-2004 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mardigras
I spoke to a Vietnamese the other day... are you going to insist I pay too?:winkwink:
if you're negotiating treaties with the enemy when it's not your fucking place to do so.... yes.

MikeHawk 09-01-2004 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mardigras
Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.
Its ok, I know it hard to believe huh? Sad but true, he is an asshole and 42% of america does not see it?

theking 09-01-2004 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
it's not a secret... he's admitted doing so.
Tonight was the first that I have heard about this. How could that be possible...as I pay attention? How could this info gotten below my radar? Anyone have links to more info about this?

theking 09-01-2004 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mardigras
Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.
Because the peace talks between the US and North Vietnam were being held in paris.

theking 09-01-2004 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
if you're negotiating treaties with the enemy when it's not your fucking place to do so.... yes.
He of course would not have any power to negotiate any type of treaty...but if it is true that he was even talking with them in Paris...is on the verge of being treason...just the same as Jane Fonda was skirting treason when she went to North Vietnam.

piker 09-01-2004 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Because the peace talks between the US and North Vietnam were being held in paris.
If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...

The Truth Hurts 09-01-2004 10:41 PM

it's gonna get a lot worse for Kerry shortly.

swift-boat ads were just a precursor.

piker 09-01-2004 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...


If you want more information, I think read this on http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

If someone does research this id be interested in the findings as well. So keep us posted...

Mike AI 09-01-2004 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
it's gonna get a lot worse for Kerry shortly.

swift-boat ads were just a precursor.

Have any scoops?? Any ideas?? I am curious....

theking 09-01-2004 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...

Are you possibly referring to the Senate Committee that Senator Kerry was on when they were investigating MIA's and the possibility that POW's were left behind? He was deeply involved in talks with Vietnam during this period and wanted to resolve the MIA and POW issue so that normal relations could be restored with Vietnam.

Or are you referring to some group that was opposed to the war making some kind of effort to get POW's returned while the war was still in progress?

The Truth Hurts 09-01-2004 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
Have any scoops?? Any ideas?? I am curious....
just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."

theking 09-01-2004 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
If you want more information, I think read this on http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

If someone does research this id be interested in the findings as well. So keep us posted...

The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.

piker 09-01-2004 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Are you possibly referring to the Senate Committee that Senator Kerry was on when they were investigating MIA's and the possibility that POW's were left behind? He was deeply involved in talks with Vietnam during this period and wanted to resolve the MIA and POW issue so that normal relations could be restored with Vietnam.

Or are you referring to some group that was opposed to the war making some kind of effort to get POW's returned while the war was still in progress?

The senate committee, I remember reading that he ignored citizen and military reports about more remaining POW's in order to further relations...

piker 09-01-2004 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.
Works for me.. interesting who's your isp?

heres another link with similar content...

not sure if it has anythinga bout this issue

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Sen_John_Kerry.shtml

The Truth Hurts 09-01-2004 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.
must be the freedom of speech loving left wing again taking down any speech they don't agree with with a ddos.

Mike AI 09-01-2004 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."




First time me hearing about the VietComs....

This is VERY troubkling. How can this guy get this far being a commie? Reagan must be flipping over in his grave - the commies may win after all!

:helpme

theking 09-01-2004 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."

I think I understood Newt to say that he had been told...by President Nixon not to go...and went in secret three different times. If he went at all while the war was still going on...for whatever reason...to me that is outrageous.

piker 09-01-2004 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
must be the freedom of speech loving left wing again taking down any speech they don't agree with with a ddos.
Seems the content of the page has changed since i last read it 4 months or so ago. It doesnt have the articles it once did... I remember reading for hours once night link through link about just how unfit kerry is for command.. and the supposed un-honorable things he actual did and stands for...

But, it could be all propaganda.. as the moveon.org people sling at bush....

piker 09-01-2004 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
First time me hearing about the VietComs....

This is VERY troubkling. How can this guy get this far being a commie? Reagan must be flipping over in his grave - the commies may win after all!

:helpme

The thing about kerry is the only way he wins if america hates bush so much.... and it might not just be kerry.. it could be democrats in general.. which is why moveon.org and so on get so much funding... i think its 80% more then republicans.. for 527's etc....

if kerry had to stand on his own without bush haters it would be a landslide... its kind of sickening...

theking 09-01-2004 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
Seems the content of the page has changed since i last read it 4 months or so ago. It doesnt have the articles it once did... I remember reading for hours once night link through link about just how unfit kerry is for command.. and the supposed un-honorable things he actual did and stands for...

But, it could be all propaganda.. as the moveon.org people sling at bush....

I am not a Republican and I have voted in every Presidential election since I have been old enough to vote. I have stated on this board that for the first time I may not vote in this election because I do not like Senator Kerry's Senate voting record on the military...military R&D...and defense spending in general. In addition he is all over the board about issues in general. If it turns out to be true that he was secretly talking with the Vietnamese in Paris...that would be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I will not be voting in this election if this is true.

piker 09-01-2004 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
I am not a Republican and I have voted in every Presidential election since I have been old enough to vote. I have stated on this board that for the first time I may not vote in this election because I do not like Senator Kerry's Senate voting record on the military...military R&D...and defense spending in general. In addition he is all over the board about issues in general. If it turns out to be true that he was secretly talking with the Vietnamese in Paris...that would be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I will not be voting in this election if this is true.
did, you catch arnolds speech the other night? I think he made alot of good points that basically everyone in this country that like the way they live their life should be a republican...

but, i also understand why someone might have issues with some of the agenda of the republican party...

theking 09-01-2004 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
did, you catch arnolds speech the other night? I think he made alot of good points that basically everyone in this country that like the way they live their life should be a republican...

but, i also understand why someone might have issues with some of the agenda of the republican party...

Yes...I saw Arnolds speech...and yes I have major issues with many of the Republican's positions...not so much with moderate Republicans...but I also have always had issues with some of the Democrat's positions...and do not agree with ultra liberal Democrats on many positons. My political stance is basically that of a moderate with slight liberal leanings.

EscortBiz 09-01-2004 11:37 PM

and bush went to saudi to speak with...

come on its a presidential race we wont know much till right before election

piker 09-01-2004 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EscortBiz
and bush went to saudi to speak with...

come on its a presidential race we wont know much till right before election

Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...

theking 09-01-2004 11:58 PM

Well...I just saw a replay and Newt did not say that President Nixon told Senator Kerry not to go. What he did say was that Senator Kerry went without co-ordinating/approval of the Nixon administration and did in fact go in secret three different times.

Honeyslut 09-02-2004 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Well...I just saw a replay and Newt did not say that President Nixon told Senator Kerry not to go. What he did say was that Senator Kerry went without co-ordinating/approval of the Nixon administration and did in fact go in secret three different times.
great....


I don't want to vote,now..

SleazeQueen 09-02-2004 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...
Hey Pot, it's Kettle. You're black!

WTF!? Are you seriously saying that there are no lies in the Swift Boat Veterans ads, or that Bush has never lied, or that the Republicans never twist statistics and polls in their favor? Sure.

The only part of that article that bothers me is that it all comes from "media sources in NYC for the convention". Who is this media? For all we know, it could be from some whacko right wing tin foil hat wearing lunatic with a blog.

theking 09-02-2004 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeyslut
great....


I don't want to vote,now..

Damn. Well you could cast a vote for Nader???

Honeyslut 09-02-2004 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Damn. Well you could cast a vote for Nader???

Nah, I wasted it on him last time. LOL


I won't vote for the Bush....

theking 09-02-2004 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Nah, I wasted it on him last time. LOL


I won't vote for the Bush....

Unless something happens to change my mind before election day...I do not think...that in all good conscience...I can vote.

titmowse 09-02-2004 12:47 AM

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas National Guard ... I got a lot of other people in the National Guard because I thought that was what people should do when you're in office, and you help a lot of rich people." Recalling a recent visit to the Vietnam Memorial, Barnes added, "I looked at the names of the people that died in Vietnam, and I became more ashamed of myself than I have ever been, because it was the worst thing I ever did, was help a lot of wealthy supporters and a lot of people who had family names of importance get into the National Guard. And I'm very sorry about that, and I'm very ashamed."
- Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes


http://video.buzzflash.com/barnes/Ba...Patriotism.mp4

Centurion 09-02-2004 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by piker
Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...

:1orglaugh Yeah..RIGHT! :1orglaugh

The 'pubes love their insinunation political attacks!
Who cares if it it's true or not? As long as you get some people to start thinking it COULD be true!

johnbosh 09-02-2004 01:02 AM

not true

theking 09-02-2004 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
:1orglaugh Yeah..RIGHT! :1orglaugh

The 'pubes love their insinunation political attacks!
Who cares if it it's true or not? As long as you get some people to start thinking it COULD be true!

Truth does not prevail with either party...comprende?


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