Then you'll have no right to complain here for 4 years:winkwink:

Your statement is incorrect.

Yep. If true, this will probably leak as the effect of the Swift Boat truths wane. I'm starting to think Bush will win by 5-8% and possibly get a mandate.

Kerry - The Dukakis of 04

How about you do some research or STFU.... the Swift Boat Vets have nothing to do with with this thread.... No one is claiming they are factual... And no one is spouting there talking points... The only group that seems persistent on repeating lies as if they were true are democrats... When has Bush lied to you? WMD's, so he passed on information that 90% of the world thought to be true. Even John Kerry said publicy Iraq had WMD's.... What else do you got?

We arent talking about statistics or polls, we are talking about treason. When the most liberal/communist senator is making a run for the commander of the army. But, he doesnt want to arm the army with weapons, or fund intelligence....

If John Kerry had his choice America would mirror Canada... Public Healthcare, high taxes.... no military.... And taking orders from everyone else in the world...

If that sounds appealing to you, Why wait for America to do that? Just move to canada...

Kerry was asked by Congress to go to Paris and begin talks to gather ideas of what they had in mind and to come back home and deliver a full report.

And if your looking for Newt's credibility on any issue lets remember he resigned his position as speaker because he was going through a divorce after his wife caught him on several occasions picking up hookers and excessive drinking WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, having Clinton impeached for having an affair.

GO NEWT! Always a great source of alcholic, adulteris, credible news :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh So true, and that's sadly what many GFYers want. In fact, many have stated here they're moving to Canada if GWB gets four more years. Good riddance ... just make sure to take Alec Baldwin with you this time.

Actually maybe YOU should gets your facts straight before posting.

John Kerry said yesterday that he DID NOT favor public healthcare. He favors a healthcare system accesible to all Americans no matter what income levels they are at and by doing it through the same insurance companies that exist today.

He is not opposed to funding the military, he is opposed to giving Bush a blank check worth 40 billion dollars to go straight into Haliburton's pocket and believe me the military would have never seen a dime of that money.

He is opposed to higher taxes, he thinks the burden needs to be shifted to those WHO CAN FUCKING AFFORD TO PAY THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

If you want to live in a country where the poorest American's are forced to bare the impossible buren of supporting the rich pieces of shit so they don't have to pay taxes then I say YOU are guilty of Treason against your country.


OOO ya and try this, the reason anybody ever said there were WMD in Iraq is because BUSH FUCKING TOLD US THERE WERE!!!!!!

Yes, almost everyone with money and or influence dodged the draft, including more then 1 president... If it is your biggest requirement that a president serve in vietnam, then you should vote for kerry. Because that is the only thing Kerry can claim in this election and that is why he spent he Democratic Convention pointing that out and ignoring his record for the last 20 years...

But, the problem is... even for people that think serving honorably in the Vietnam War is more important then issues... Is that John Kerry came home while his troops where still fighting. And when he saw all the protests and disgust for the war here. He didn't stand up for his troops he stabbed them in the back and called them rapists' and murders....

Not only that, there are claims that he went to Paris, to talk to the vietnamese before the war was over. Newt Gingrich said he verified this with a Sr. Nixon Adminstrator... Someone that would know... Not only after that, there are claims that he left POW's to be tortured and murderd more in Vietnam when he was on or leading the Senate Committee overseeing the return of these hostages. (These are only claims, haven't been proven yet) But, does any of this surprise you giving his record. He don't want national security. He wants to depend on the world for our national security. Which would be great if there werent terrorist that hate us so much they are willing to attack our citizens anywhere and everywhere.

When people talk about terror, liberals claim then are trying to use fear for politcal gains. This simply is not true. I am not afraid of terrorist. I am afraid of John Kerrys ideas to make us dependent on Nations with their own agendas...

Are you speaking about the time that Senator Kerry was a Senator sitting on a Senate Committee investigating MIA's and possible left behind POW's...or are you saying that the Congress during the Nixon Presidency authorized a private citizen (citizen Kerry) opposed to the war in Vietnam to go to Paris and talk with the Vietnamese peace negotiators (which I view as being a very unlikely scenario)?

Thats to bad because its what happened, by the Congresse's account anyway, don't take my word for it, look it up.

You also seem to forget it was Kerry's work with Congress to help end the war that got him into politics in the first place.

AAAHHH yes more credible people, Nixon Admin's.... :1orglaugh

You mean Watergate helpers?

Right, and how does he do that? and whats the difference between that system and Canada's, the fact that there is another middleman to deal with?

He is not opposed to military? Tell me one time in the last 20 years that he has voted for weapons systems? Or intelligence systems? And why should I beleive you? How do you have the inside tract on this?

Right, do the math he wants to tax the top 2% which would increase revenue by 600 billion, but increase spending by what 13 trillion or some number where do you think hes going to get the rest of the money? Plus, its an old idea to tax the wealthy and give to the poor. It creates class warfare... And guess what the poor are still poor.

How can the poorest support the rich. Are you nuts the poorest don't pay taxes in the first place. Do yourself some favor look at the numbers. Get an econ book or 2 and do some reading into this tax the rich idea and see how likely it is to make your life better...

And this is how it went down. The Russians and British intelligence told our intelligence that Iraq had WMD's and where planning attacks on the US or supporting terror... Our intelligence (the one John Kerry keeps trying to cut funding to) confirmed this. Bush, Kerry and a whole host of other important national politicans said Iraq has WMD's lets go to United Nations... United Nations passed another security resolution for Iraq to disarm (they obviously thought they had something to). Then the United Nations would not enforce its resolution when Saddam said no i dont have weapons and i will not step down... (BTW, no one believed him except maybe the people doing business with him)... Bush found this unacceptable.. So did Kerry and a host of other congress man as they voted to give Bush power to handle the war in Iraq. So we went to war and it turns out everyone was wrong.. Not just Bush.. but everyone was wrong Saddam wasn't waiting for us with chemical weapons...

If you want to blame Bush for that with your limited information go ahead. But the people with the most information still support this war and still think it was a good idea to go.

The claim that the 40 billion dollars (which is the wrong number its 87 billion) went straight to Haliburton's pocket is rediculus. For that to happen, don't you think a whole lot of approiations commisions and other people would notice or ask where that money went? What about all our military that the money was supposed to go to? Would you let Haliburton just take your money or would you send a letter to CNN or Fox News?

Don't you think the people of Haliburton and the adminstraion make enough money? Do you really think they are that desperate for money that they go to this length to get it?

Right, because they have so much to gain right now? That they decided lieing about National Security was the way to go.

Ignorance is bliss, don't see John Kerry for what he really is... Vote for him anyways.

No one cares about Nam. Half the voters were born AFTER Nam. Enough already. Kerry and Bush were in their early 20's then. WTF. NO ONE is ever going to be able to be President is all the shit they did was brought up. I can seeing in 50 years some 70 year old running for President will have his campaign deraield because someone brought up some gangbang he patricipated in when he was 18.

I suspect that I will not have to do any research as Hannity had no knowledge of citizen Kerry making three trips to Paris to speak with the North Vietnamese during the Nixon Presidency (as reported by the Newt)...so I am assuming that this matter will be expanded on by the media or proponets/opponets. You say "work with Congress"...and I am unaware of any "work with Congress". I am only aware of citizen Kerry belonging to a group of people opposed to the war...testifying before Congress.

Funny, you ask me how I seem to have the inside tract on this but then you go off on your rant to explain to me exactly how everything went down like you have a crystal ball into the entire workings of the American political system.

hahahahahaha, Like you know anymore than I do, at the very least I am studying for my Masters in Political Science which I will have completed in the next month or so. Actually learning how Politics works from a policy standpoint and the day to day operations on a local, regional, state-wide, and national level.

What do you do? Watch Fox news to learn about politics?

And BTW I have several friends who are now working for the Kerry campaign on different levels. I get to hear stuff all the time you probably know nothing about. That is not an insult to you at all, just saying I do in fact have all kinds of angles to judge this from that I assume you do not.

How stupid of me, why in the world would yu do any research of your own to get the facts straight when you could easily just sit back and let the media do it all for you.

Funny how everything bad the media says about Kerry is 100% true and everythng bad said about Bush is just liberal left wing non-sence. :1orglaugh

tey ahve to gain is keeping a DEM out of office.

Why don't you see what BUSH really is NIMROD. Is wear this country DESERVES to go to pot if Bush is re-elcted because that means there are so many STUPID people. And no I'm not a lib or dem. One good thing about Bush getting re-elected the country will be so fucked up that Jeb Bush's chances of being president will be NIL.

The millions of Vets from the Vietnam Confilict care...and voters in general...in my opinion care about actions...no matter what age those actions were committed...particularly when those actions are verging upon treason.

Don't worry about Jeb! Barbra Bush said two nights ago, "No More Bush's In The White House!!!!"

And she meant it. :glugglug

Is that kinda like Bush negotiating business deals for Unical with the Talliban pre 9-11?

For someone with all those angles you'd figure you do more then spit democratic talking points and Michael Moore's film... But if you got a masters in poly sci, did you take any macro econ classes?

I'm not sure you know this... But, America depends on natural gas. Almost as much as oil. And to secure a deal to get more natural gas is a good idea...

I'm sure he was unaware that the taliban was support osama who had plans to destroy the world trade towers...

But, I agree, it is much cooler to think that the current adminstration is in the middle of a big conspiracy theory.. maybe we will see an x-files type show on fox some day? and itll turn out this war on terror was all about making a few billion dollars for a few private guys...

Is that bad?

Was it OK that Regan negotiated with Iran not to release the hostages until after Carter was defeated?

Newt made the statement just last night on national TV. As I stated I assume the media and/or proponets/opponets will expand upon the statement. I have been waiting today for someone from the Kerry campaign to deny the validity of Newt's statements but I have yet to see any. I am going to assume that if there is not...at the least...a denial of Newt's statements it will be because Newt spoke the truth.

I take everything said by the media with a grain of salt. I also take everything said by the parties involved with a grain of salt. Only a fool would do otherwise.

Why do you feel this way? I dont understand why you feel Americans are stupid if they elect the best candidate... And what makes you think if Bush gets 4 for more years that things will be so fucked up?

I bet you didnt know the GDP is the highest it has been in 20 years... not to mention the war on terror is progressing.. It seems we hear every month about Pakistan capturing more Al Queda operatives...

I'd like you to show me where I have quoted Michael Moore.

Seems some of you don't do your homework. You can't sit and listen to "talking heads" all the time. Sometimes, you may even have to "read."

I was in Nam (65-66) in a line unit. And, I might add, for a full 13 month tour, scratches included.

And, YES, Johnjohn DID to go Paris and meet with the North Vietnamese. I might also add that, at the time he did it, he was STILL a US Naval Officer which places him at the mercy of the US Constitution. Maybe you should READ that document again.

Trying to save the POWs? I seriously doubt it. Looking to make a name for himself? A more plausable alternative answer!

If any of you yearn to be governed by "Hanoi John," I really think you deserve it. The rest of the country doesn't need him. But, you surely must.

The next two months are going to be fantastic to watch. His own election committee is starting to show signs of the strain of lies they have to try to cover up ever day. People are really starting to do what Senator Edwards implored you all to do, "Look at John Kerry and his past." Ok, and his poll numbers are starting to prove that people are doing exactly that.

As for me, he targeted me as an "ear slicing baby killer" a long time ago....and he's never once, to this day, said "I'm sorry" or "I made a mistake."

He can kiss my rice paddy sittin' ass! It's a wonder that, in a fire fight, one of his own men didn't punch his ticket. Sure would have save us a lot of arguing. LOL

He sold us out then and he'll sell you out, too. We can only be hopeful he doesn't get the chance.

BTW, he also has a "place of honor" in the Hanoi War Museum. Check that out, too, while you're at it.

PROOF and FACTS, not rethoric, should be guiding you this election. Your lives depend on it.

I dont understand everything Michael Moore does is a lie and he is a wacko but Vietnamvetswhohatekerry.com or the rightwing pundits are a legimate news sources. lol

for those of you who just sit and wait to hear what TV news has to say, try reading this:

Kerry Museum Photo Documented

http://kerrylied.com/

I doubt you'll hear the liberal press touch on this point...unless a lot of 527s bring it up, which I'm sure they will.

QUESTION: Why would "an enemy" place our Presidential Candidate, who was a "warrior" at the time, in a "place of honor?"

Let's hear your raggedy reasoning.

PS...The difference between MM and the anti-Kerry groups is that there's usually documentation with the groups. MM thinks you're an idiot. And you follow him. He MUST be right! LOL

In THIS election (let's try and stay focused now), the Republicans by FAR have been the antagonists when it comes to pushing or supporting lies and deceit.

The whole Swift Boat Vets thing is one of the biggest lies to roll down the road in elections in decades!

But that is the Bush plan..spread lies & innuendos..and even if it's not true..they hope people will hear enough disturbing falsehoods so they will NOT vote for Kerry. They may not vote for Bush, but a vote LESS for Kerry IS one more vote for Bush!

Yes folks..let's ruminate about what may or may NOT have happened *30* some years ago! It's obvious it has a real connection and bearing on TODAY'S issues!

Heck, I can't blame the pubes for wanting to go back to 1971 because there is no way they can defend their record in 2004!

And THAT *IS* the bottom line here! Deflect attention from what is happening TODAY and let's make a BIG stink about crap that took place over 30 years ago that has absolutely NO BEARING on today's world.

FactCheck

His voting record is all referenced from here.
"Starting in 1997 Kerry voted for every regular Department of Defense appropriations bill and for every authorization bill as well."

Actually, check your facts, everyting in F 911 is laid out on the website in point by point format as it appears in the movie with the sources of everything stated within it.

Everything single fact can be cross checked by accessing public records at the library or clerk of courts, and various mainstream news agencies (i.e. Fox, Cnn, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, Al Jazera, etc etc etc) (unless you actually believe all of these news agencies are run by liberals then I can give you 100 reasons why you are fucking dead wrong) and in most cases you can cross reference sources and links guide you directly to the sources info pages regarding the subject matter.

Think what you want but its all right there for any idiot who can take the time to read it all.

Of course I realize its so much easier to get your news from Rush and then go out on your crusade to educate the world :1orglaugh

He never accussed you or anyone of doing those things, he was recounting stories he'd been told. Perhaps you got painted with that brush, and that is unfortunate.

The fact is atrocities DID happen in Vietnam, and he was reporting what he'd heard.

FactCheck

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But, you can defend John Kerry's record 6th months ago? Lets be honest John Kerry's has a 20 year voting record. To speak for, why didnt he speak about it at his democratic convention if his record is something to be proud of... Well, thats easy the American people are not proud of his voting record. In fact the only talking about his voting record are republicans. Democrats dont want you to know that he doesnt like national defense and that he doesnt believe in intelligence...

Beleive it or not what you believed 20-30 years ago still applies today especially if you dont make any actions to prove you changed your opinion on the matter.

FACTS:
John Kerry disrespected and sold out Vietnam Fighter while they were still fighting the war. Why, do people care? Because John Kerry is applying for the Job of leading these same troops he sold out.

John Kerry believes in class warfare. He believes the poor should hate the rich etc.. Because that way he can tell the poor he is fighting for them. And nobody else is...

John Kerry has never met a tax increase he did not like... John Kerry's solution to economic problems... Yes, raise taxes... Why? Well, it's simple more taxes means more money the govt can spend to control you. Sure they might give you a decent job in the process...

There are more facts to tell you about John Kerry but ill save them for another time... Or maybe you can do your own research... And I'll garuntee you'll find more proof then some fat fuck trying to make pre-war Iraq look like the garden of eden.

HAHA, that is funny... Everything in F911 is true, nothing is exagerrated or made up.. That is cute... Pre-War Iraq was the garden of eden... Then the american bombs started....

:1orglaugh is this idiot for real? oh the irony...

I think it is just a rumour