Voting records are BS and you know it. If there was a bill that was say for farmers and say Kerry wanted it but some republican secretly put in the bill a $100 mil for some un-necessary project in that republican's home state, so showing FISCAL RESPONSIBLITY Kerry voted agianst this bill for that reason. Well Bush would say "see Kerry is against farmers" Which in reality he was agianst wasteful spending on prjects not realted to a farm bill. Too bad you Bush loving idiots can't see that. The world is not as black and white as you'd like to make it.

arrrggghhh, i love the smell of desperation in the morning.

the one advantage bush has over kerry is that kerry was a senetor for so long and has a voting record where bush doesn't But it's easy to spin a voting record. You could have a defense bill that also has a bunch of shit thrown into it that isn't defense related or even needed. He votes against it because of the extra crap and now bush can say he's voting against defense spending. Like the bill he voted against that had a ton of crap in it and had little to do with defense but it had a small amount in it to buy flak jackets. He voted against it and now kerry is against our troops having flak jackets.

Taxing the rich and giving tax cuts to the poor ( kerry ) is no more class warfare than taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich ( bush ) is. It's simply a different economic outlook. Kerry needs the middle just as bad a bush does so he plays the odds. There are many more poor people ( or people with average to below average incomes ) than there are wealthy. By telling them he will cut their taxes he helps get their vote eventhough a tax cut for them will show them very little extra money.

What I can't understand is that bush has taken the largest budget surplus in the history of this country and in 3 1/2 years turned it into the largest deficet since the depression. yet nobody calls him on it.

bush, while spending money like a drunken democrat, still has failed to fund most of the things that he talked about in the first election.

Bush said he will never touch the social security surpluss yet in his last budget he calls for using that surpluss for other things every year until 2013. If it were kerry that said that it would be called a flip flop.

Arguing politics here really isn't going to help sway any opinions. The bottom line is simple. If you are okay with our massive deficet, tax cuts for the top 2%, over 1million net jobs lost during the last 4 years, over 1 million more people now living in poverty in the US and the situation in Iraq, and you think in the end it will all work out ( and it could you never know ) vote for bush.

if not vote for kerry.

The election will come down to about 10 states where they are either tied or within a few points of each other. If one guy ends up winning 8 of those states he will win in a landslide. If not it will be very very close.

In the end the president only has so much power becauce congress keeps him in check. What is most important is who he puts in his cabinet including sec.defense and attorney general and who he may put on the supreme court. That is what we really should be worried about.

If you think Kerry will turn the US into Canada South, put your tin foil hat back on and go back to watching Fox News.

just my 2 cents

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Bush should eat more pretzels while riding a Segway and someone needs to "accidently" turn on the microwave oven when Cheney enters a White House breakroom.

Ok then go do your own research and round up all of your facts and post links and public recoprds to them right here in this forum and prove 911 is wrong.

You can't BECASUE ITS FUCKING TRUE!!!!!!

If you seriously cannot, then please stick to topics you can actually show facts to back up your arguments with.

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Bush could smash kittens heads in with a hammer and justify it and Bush lovers would believe him.

What school is going to give you a masters in poly sci, when you believe all the shit thrown in F911?

Word. The GOP is the party of morons. The backwards element of our society.

I'd agree with you about the voting record if it wasnt that Kerry was so consistent on these facts.. voting down weapons, intelligence, tax decreases and increasing taxes... You can explain some of the votes to just bad bills. But, when he votes against the majority of the senate consistently on some issues its hard to explain.

Well, the reason you dont understand where the surplus has gone is because you dont understand economics... The deficit works like this.. When the economy is doing good there is more revenue to go around and you can end up with a surplus if you dont spend it all... When, there is a recession like the last year of the Clinton years and probablyt he first 3 years of the bush adminstraion. You lose that revenue... Then you throw 911 on it where we are forced to increase spending on things like national security. You end up with a deficit. I'm not saying it couldnt of been handled better but I don't think Kerry would have.

When you have things like recessions and you throw terrorist attacks on our economic center. You will lose jobs and more people will be in poverty because of that fact. To add to this explanation. The Clinton team artificially held the dollar high so the american consumer had more spending power. Which, would work well. If you didnt pass things like nafta which made it cheaper for american manufactors to shift jobs over seas.... Losing the manufactoring jobs would even be alright if we could of replaced them with tech jobs. But, I'll be damned we had a dot com burst as well and there went those jobs.

BTW, all this happened during the last years of the Clinton adminstration. Except for 911 obviously. The fallout just took a few years to hit home. And now it looks like a Bush problem to the masses of uneducated people...

And not only did Bush cut taxes for the top 2% he cut taxes for most people that actually pay taxes.

I don't think Kerry would turn US in to Canada South simply because he wouldnt be able to.. But, I do think if he could he would.. That seems to be the idea hes conveyed to me...

Thats, why republicans are the party with politicians screaming about god knows what... that has senators and former vice presidents getting all worked up and calling our president a liar.... When in fact that believed the same evidence the president passed on...

Thats why republicans have highly respeced senators in their party going on national tv talking about what a disgrace the party is... Ohh, wait nope.. thats democrats sorry....

Ohh, not to mention all the soft money being donated to such causes as painting the president as an evil man and comparing him to hitler... Democrats spend 87% more money on this junk then republicans... Which is why people like you that dont really care about politcs believe all this non-sense...

Ohh, it doesnt hurt to have filmmakers and actors speaking out and amplifying the lies....

prove it

oh, and besides fighting for the US then having the balls to stand against a bad war, here's a little something else Kerry did in his 20 year career as a Senator:

The Kerry Report

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Your a very misinformed puppy. The last 3 years of Clinton's presidency saw the highest economic growth rate the country has ever seen, and we amased the largest surplus in our countries history.

OOo ya I bet that led to a recession :1orglaugh


In case you missed it, the second the supreme court announced their decision in Gore v. Bush the stock market dropped like a bomb and and never went back up. Just there mere thought of Bush winning the presidency is what led to the recession, then Bush made it a whole lot worse with his bullshit economic plan.

If such an educated man then please tell me whay you think 2 - 4 = growth?


And the answer is no, I do not think you are smart or hip because you call it "poly sci" I think your to fucking lazy to type out Political Science :321GFY

And BTW, this is not a solid responce to what I actually said. Because I have proof of the facts in the movie being true and you do not have the balls to show otherwise.

And "I don't have to prove it, I know its not true," is not an acceptable answer on this one.

I laid out a challenege for you, but obviously because it would take you some time a research and because it is not a simple challenge for you by any means you instead insult me. When you know good and damn well you cannot accept the challenge because it would be a waste of your time to try to disprove already proven facts.

If I am wrong, then again I say, stop your whinning about Michael Moore and fucking prove it!

I posted on this board after having watched his film...that he twisted facts...and used innuendo to the point that the film does not represent truth...but is is instead basically BS. Presenting facts the whole facts and nothing but the facts would be a "documentary" but Moore chose to make a Michaelmentary.

The simple fact is MOST documentaries are skewed one way or the other. His documentary was strictly to document the evils he sees in the Bush family, and administration. He did exactly what he set out to do and there is nothing wrong with what he did. It was something he believed in and what he believed to be truth. And when you can go and back up your documentary with the original news articles and records its a kill shot.

So he really did nothing wrong, I bet if Rush put out some conservative right wing bullshit tomorrow most Republicans would be slobbering all over it.

But you still miss the point that every fact in this movie has been researched and backed up with public records and media sources. There were not more than two times in the movie you could pick out that cannot be proven one way or the other, and the fact remains that IF IT IS NOT TRUE, there is a way to prove that as well. It would take some work and research, but it can be done.

And with all the Republican discourse over the film I think if there were facts to disprove anything in the film, they would have done it by now. As we have all learned in the past 12 years in politics, answering and fighting back against false charges does not lend them credibility, it lends more credibility when you say nothing at all.

The Wall Street Journal a paper that leans hard to the right showed the current bush tax plan and the kerry tax plan. The difference didnt it start until single making $275,000 that person would pay $2500 more in taxes under Kerry. So this bullshit about how we will all be taxed to death is bullshit . Also the tax rate was higher under Clinton then both Kerry or Bush and the country saw more prosperity then in a longtime.

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