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NastyJack 09-08-2003 03:13 PM

AEBN - Your 20% Sucks - When Are You Going To Give Us 50% Of Sales?
 
You guys have been paying 20% of sales for years now so when are you going to start paying us 50%?

I have to sale $500.00 with of smut to earn $100.00 and I think it's time you guys start giving us a bigger cut.

Do what you have to but for goodness sake 20% of sales is a fuck'n joke!

Sure you pay on time and you have fantastic content but damn guys - 20% - I'm sure you could do much better then that.

jimmyf 09-08-2003 03:16 PM

don't use them

Snake Doctor 09-08-2003 03:16 PM

That's a different business model than a regular paysite.
I'm pretty sure their content providers take a pretty hefty % per rental.

The only other site I know of that offers something similar is dreamzotic, they pay 30%.

SykkBoy 09-08-2003 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NastyJack
You guys have been paying 20% of sales for years now so when are you going to start paying us 50%?

I have to sale $500.00 with of smut to earn $100.00 and I think it's time you guys start giving us a bigger cut.

Do what you have to but for goodness sake 20% of sales is a fuck'n joke!

Sure you pay on time and you have fantastic content but damn guys - 20% - I'm sure you could do much better then that.

Send more traffic and you could probably negotiate yourself a better deal....

Far-L 09-08-2003 03:27 PM

I disagree.

You are a referrer and don't have any costs of production and distribution. Your overhead is nil. Bandwidth zilch. Effort, nada.

Justify why you should make 20% and not just 15% like a marketer in any other industry?

Why should they do all the work and give you 50%?

What effort do you really make to "earn" a sale? Use their graphics, their content, their system, etc.?

What am I missing here?

NastyJack 09-08-2003 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2


Send more traffic and you could probably negotiate yourself a better deal....

Haha... The reason there only paying out 20% is because there
fuck'n cheap. I could ask for more until I'm blue in the face, it's
not going to help.

These guys have been making a killing for years with there bullshit 20% - it's time to pass the buck!

NastyJack 09-08-2003 03:33 PM

Lol... Get your 20% - www.aebn.com - :feels-hot

NastyJack 09-08-2003 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
I disagree.

You are a referrer and don't have any costs of production and distribution. Your overhead is nil. Bandwidth zilch. Effort, nada.

Justify why you should make 20% and not just 15% like a marketer in any other industry?

Why should they do all the work and give you 50%?

What effort do you really make to "earn" a sale? Use their graphics, their content, their system, etc.?

What am I missing here?

Okay, 50% would be to high but 20% is by far to little.
What I'm trying to say here is that I think it's time for them
to give us a bigger cut. It doesn't have to be 50% but I
figure that it should at least be around 30%!

If you feel otherwise sign up for your 20% - www.aebn.com

It's bullshit!

justsexxx 09-08-2003 03:39 PM

Well what is wrong with it?

They payout 20% and you know it...Don't like it, don't use them...

Or do you like

We pay you 50% and shave 30%?

Andre

Sly_RJ 09-08-2003 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NastyJack


These guys have been making a killing for years with there bullshit 20% - it's time to pass the buck!

And how exactly do you know they've been making a killing? You know their overhead?

Watching affiliates bitch about sponsors payouts is getting real old. Try building something with substance, you'll see how much money you have to stick in and maybe change your tune.

Ross 09-08-2003 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2


Send more traffic and you could probably negotiate yourself a better deal....

I agree. Make them want your traffic. Make more signups and they will pay you more to keep you there!

Lonny 09-08-2003 03:44 PM

pe cash pays out 35%.
I droped aebn along time ago.

NastyJack 09-08-2003 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ikonworx
pe cash pays out 35%.
I droped aebn along time ago.





Who here would sign up for an affiliate program that only pays out 20%? Remember, you have to sale $500.00 to earn $100.00

I understand that they have fantastic content and they always pay on time but again - 20% is a fuck'n joke!

basschick 09-08-2003 04:01 PM

aebn has to pay the owners of the movies their percentage, then they pay the bandwidth as well. paysites lease the content and the bandwidth is included in the lease price or else they own the content and only pay bandwidth.

dirtyone 09-08-2003 04:07 PM

I know I am not the greatest adult webmaster here... or anywhere for that matter but am I missing something? Thier not paying out enough (for you) so you come here an complain about it? Why not drop them a get another sponsor?

Not enough drama points maybe?

Lonny 09-08-2003 04:14 PM

you may not like it butheres one
http://8ish.inadult.com/ they pay
15% thou.
Just another bookmark of mine
:thumbsup

JMM 09-08-2003 04:25 PM

You all should be ashamed of yourselves for not recognizing his post for what it is.

Duh.

Especially you Far-L

Far-L 09-08-2003 04:33 PM

JMM: You are right... I think I need to go to remedial posting school... brush up and take a few more spam cooking classes, creative piss writing, and take up this newfangled sigrithmatic...

Joe Average 09-08-2003 04:43 PM

So, is anyone making a fortune with AEBN?

besterman 09-08-2003 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
I disagree.

You are a referrer and don't have any costs of production and distribution. Your overhead is nil. Bandwidth zilch. Effort, nada.

Justify why you should make 20% and not just 15% like a marketer in any other industry?

Why should they do all the work and give you 50%?

What effort do you really make to "earn" a sale? Use their graphics, their content, their system, etc.?

What am I missing here?

I really disagree with this assessment. Referrer overhead is not nil, in fact, far from it.

Affiliates are business partners that have a very important role to play in an adult site's business plan. Unless the site is well-capitalized and has the expertise to market on it's own, affiliates provide a very valuable service, often investing their own funds and having their own distribution overhead...

Kamilla36D 09-08-2003 05:12 PM

I really like their daily hosted videos and use them on almost all my sites. The video consoles are nice, videos are of good quality and lenght, and the banners are not intrusive, nor are there any popups. I'd say their program is a great free plugin with an upsell bonus. Maybe you need to look at it that way Jack?

kisses, Kamilla

FabianC 09-08-2003 05:14 PM

Send your U.S. traffic to http://urentdvds.com instead, you'll make more money in the end. Check out http://dvdorama.com for program info. :thumbsup

Victor-E 09-08-2003 05:17 PM

I got your 50% referral fee right here:

http://www.velvetecstasy.com/visitors/referral.htm

FATPad 09-08-2003 05:18 PM

Start your own streaming video site and send your traffic there.

NastyJack 09-08-2003 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Average
So, is anyone making a fortune with AEBN?

At 20% no one is getting rich off of AEBN.
I did however ask allot of people how they where doing
and as it turned out I'm making more money with AEBN then anyone I spoke with.

The problem here is that they've been paying us 20% for
years now so it's time they start paying us a little more.

30% would be okay since they do have fantastic content
and what have you but this 20% is just not worth it - it's a
fuck'n joke.

They have the money - there just to cheap to pass the buck!

rockbear 09-08-2003 07:05 PM

This is why I don't use them anymore.. 20% it's a joke.

beemk 09-08-2003 07:38 PM

if they have people like you still promoting me for years at 20%... why would they raise the payout?

Joe Average 09-08-2003 07:41 PM

I DO agree that 30% would be a more appropriate payout percentage.

Anyone from AEBN have a comment?

Matt_WildCash 09-08-2003 08:08 PM

I'd say they negociated a 50% rate or something with the video studios. I bet the studio's are a pain in the ass to deal with when doing this and they wouldn't want to give out to much to AEBN. I'd say if they paid you 50% they'd make a big fat loss.

FetishTom 09-08-2003 08:19 PM

Yeah ok 20% sucks but I do like them and what the hell its a cheap filler on some top lists we run and other places - oh and just checked my stats and made a whole $12 this evening! :1orglaugh

Plat 09-08-2003 08:29 PM

Okay first off, this is not my account. (don't flame Plat for this) GFY will not clear my cookies for some reason and i'm too damn lazy to do it manually. So if you have anything related to what I'm going to say, you can find me @

[email protected]

NastyJack............... 20%

I'll tell you what. I'll give you 50% ONLY if you cover the bandwidth costs for everything we host for you. Free clips, graphics, whatever.

If you think we're so bad, then drop us, but honestly, look at it.

We have to pay the bandwidth, hosting, etc... then pay out the manuf. and then pay the affiliates.

Sure we could offer 50% but that would put US in the negatives... and i mean, come on... we're a buisness.... we need to make money just like you do.

So yeah, 20% may be low.... but if you do the math, it's better than anyone else that's offering the same services.......

that's my :2 cents:

mikael

[email protected]
ICQ: 167833356

Doctor Dre 09-08-2003 08:34 PM

Deal with him for 25 % :P lol

Joe Average 09-08-2003 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Plat
Okay first off, this is not my account. (don't flame Plat for this) GFY will not clear my cookies for some reason and i'm too damn lazy to do it manually. So if you have anything related to what I'm going to say, you can find me @

[email protected]

NastyJack............... 20%

I'll tell you what. I'll give you 50% ONLY if you cover the bandwidth costs for everything we host for you. Free clips, graphics, whatever.

If you think we're so bad, then drop us, but honestly, look at it.

We have to pay the bandwidth, hosting, etc... then pay out the manuf. and then pay the affiliates.

Sure we could offer 50% but that would put US in the negatives... and i mean, come on... we're a buisness.... we need to make money just like you do.

So yeah, 20% may be low.... but if you do the math, it's better than anyone else that's offering the same services.......

that's my :2 cents:

mikael

[email protected]
ICQ: 167833356

Fair enough. You have a lot of expenses, that is easy to understand. However, I think you will find people would push AEBN products harder if you bumped it to say 25%-30%.

SleazyDream 09-08-2003 08:35 PM

NastyJack and Far-L

who the fuck are you to tell someone else, and a successful someone else at that, how to run their business.


fucking idiot

Plat 09-08-2003 08:45 PM

He's just giving his input, which is cool......

I just don't think a lot of people understand the overhead involved in what we're doing. hell, i don't understand it.

but, whatever. 20% has always been the rule and I don't see it changing..........

Far-L 09-08-2003 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scorpion3600


I really disagree with this assessment. Referrer overhead is not nil, in fact, far from it.

Affiliates are business partners that have a very important role to play in an adult site's business plan. Unless the site is well-capitalized and has the expertise to market on it's own, affiliates provide a very valuable service, often investing their own funds and having their own distribution overhead...

Please tell me what expense the referring webmaster has when they are including AEBN in their member's area?

There is no production cost, ie models to pay, videos to encode, editing, etc. and there is no post production in adding it to a site, setting up processing or what have you.

This is not the same referral relationship a webmaster has that is using galleries to send traffic to a sponsor and has to pay for bw, make galleries. get traffic or whatever.

The webmaster has precious little to do to make money off of a pay per view product like AEBN. That is why they should not get the same percentage of the referral relationship that you are referring to, imo.

Far-L 09-08-2003 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
NastyJack and Far-L

who the fuck are you to tell someone else, and a successful someone else at that, how to run their business.


fucking idiot

Where do you think I am telling anyone how to run there business?

Maybe you should read what I wrote again or just go back to posting the nonsense you typically post.

I merely asked for Nasty Jack to justify his asking for a better percentage and I gave reasons why I thought the percentage was fair.

If you can't handle that professionally, which obviously Nasty Jack had the courteousy to do in a matter of discussion between us and which does not concern you in the least... then....

Go fuck yourself.

SleazyDream 09-08-2003 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L


Where do you think I am telling anyone how to run there business?

Maybe you should read what I wrote again or just go back to posting the nonsense you typically post.

I merely asked for Nasty Jack to justify his asking for a better percentage and I gave reasons why I thought the percentage was fair.

If you can't handle that professionally, which obviously Nasty Jack had the courteousy to do in a matter of discussion between us and which does not concern you in the least... then....

Go fuck yourself.

i can admit when I made a mistake - I wrote down the wrong name. Sorry about that, didn't mean to include you.

I offer you a PUBLIC apology

Honeyslut 09-08-2003 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
I disagree.

You are a referrer and don't have any costs of production and distribution. Your overhead is nil. Bandwidth zilch. Effort, nada.

Justify why you should make 20% and not just 15% like a marketer in any other industry?

Why should they do all the work and give you 50%?

What effort do you really make to "earn" a sale? Use their graphics, their content, their system, etc.?

What am I missing here?

and you can offer them 60% of your paysite fees and they still think they are getting ripped off

:)

Kevin2 09-08-2003 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NastyJack
You guys have been paying 20% of sales for years now so when are you going to start paying us 50%?

I have to sale $500.00 with of smut to earn $100.00 and I think it's time you guys start giving us a bigger cut.

Do what you have to but for goodness sake 20% of sales is a fuck'n joke!

Sure you pay on time and you have fantastic content but damn guys - 20% - I'm sure you could do much better then that.

If you don't like the 20% why did you signup :1orglaugh


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