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Joe Average 09-23-2003 07:01 PM

Evolution or Creation?
 
It's amusing to me that there are still those out there who, in spite of all the evidence, still try and deny the reality of natural selection and evolution.

So fess up, have you joined the 21st century yet or are you still living in the dark ages?

Creation or evolution... what's your view?

C_U_Next_Tuesday 09-23-2003 07:07 PM

if you are referring to that crazy ass woman hating story of adam and eve and how evil eve hooked up with the snake to poison adams mind... then i vote for evolution not "evilution" :thumbsup

buddyjuf 09-23-2003 07:08 PM

its funny how they refuse to accept the FACTS
its not a "maybe", its PROVEN that we evolved from the chimp

some people should open their eyes

dirtyone 09-23-2003 07:08 PM

Could it be both?

Since there are no specifics in the bible?

KidCock 09-23-2003 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Average
It's amusing to me that there are still those out there who, in spite of all the evidence, still try and deny the reality of natural selection and evolution.

So fess up, have you joined the 21st century yet or are you still living in the dark ages?

Creation or evolution... what's your view?

There is no answer........if you say evolution, you can keep going back to the tiniest microbe but those who believe in creation can just say 'well some being had to create that microbe'.

If you believe in some creator, obviously no one can prove that either.

Thus the whole statement on joining the 21st century is null and void =)

bhutocracy 09-23-2003 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
its PROVEN that we evolved from the chimp

actually it's not.. we evolved from a common ancestor.

Joe Average 09-23-2003 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy


actually it's not.. we evolved from a common ancestor.

Yep... exactly. :glugglug

aimar78 09-23-2003 07:14 PM

I'm God. I created everything.

Sarah_Jayne 09-23-2003 07:15 PM

evolution....though I remember getting in trouble in sunday school when I asked why it wasn't possible for things to have been created and then be allowed to evolve.

Centurion 09-23-2003 07:16 PM

Creative Evolution!:thumbsup

aimar78 09-23-2003 07:18 PM

It was better when people worshipped the Sun. At least the sun is there you can see it, and without it there would be no life on earth.

uranidiot 09-23-2003 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Average
It's amusing to me that there are still those out there who, in spite of all the evidence, still try and deny the reality of natural selection and evolution.

So fess up, have you joined the 21st century yet or are you still living in the dark ages?

Creation or evolution... what's your view?

I am a grown adult.

I believe in magic and fairy tales.

Praise Jesus!

aimar78 09-23-2003 07:22 PM

Quote:

Praise Jesus!
It's Jebus :Graucho

lock 09-23-2003 07:25 PM

yep we will all end up little green men in the end

HunkyLuke 09-23-2003 07:27 PM

We are all just some supreme being's kid's school science project.

:Graucho

Cheers!

Luke

Jay_StandAhead 09-23-2003 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
if you are referring to that crazy ass woman hating story of adam and eve and how evil eve hooked up with the snake to poison adams mind... then i vote for evolution not "evilution" :thumbsup
Your poll should have one more option: We were created by other beings.

Can't leave that possibility out :)

BRISK 09-23-2003 07:37 PM

I evolved from ALF

http://www.aquinas.edu/aqtimes/times...sue_12/alf.jpg

Furious_Female 09-23-2003 07:58 PM

I think it's a combination of both. I don't believe everything from the Bible, it was written by man and has human error. I also don't believe everything scientists say, because they are also humans with error and a lot of what they say has missing pieces.

Maybe I am just hopeful that there is a God, but if we evolved from apes, why are there no apes as intelligent as humans? That would be like a woman giving birth to a species more advanced than humans. Is that possible?

Joe Average 09-23-2003 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
Maybe I am just hopeful that there is a God, but if we evolved from apes, why are there no apes as intelligent as humans? That would be like a woman giving birth to a species more advanced than humans. Is that possible?
Furious your understanding of evolution is simply appalling.

We didn't evolve from modern apes. Rather, both humans and other modern primates have evolved from a common ancestor that lived millions of years ago. All species are subject to different selective pressures and this accounts for the divergence.

Before you speak any more on this subject you should go here and educate yourself: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li...faq/index.html

Libertine 09-23-2003 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
I think it's a combination of both. I don't believe everything from the Bible, it was written by man and has human error. I also don't believe everything scientists say, because they are also humans with error and a lot of what they say has missing pieces.

Maybe I am just hopeful that there is a God, but if we evolved from apes, why are there no apes as intelligent as humans? That would be like a woman giving birth to a species more advanced than humans. Is that possible?

Sounds like you haven't really gotten down the concept of evolution yet :2 cents:

Can a woman give birth to a child more intelligent than herself? Yes. Can that child - if it's a girl - give birth to a more intelligent child than herself? Yes. Etcetera. Now, repeat this process endlessly.
(and no, this is in no way taking into account even a small part of all factors in evolution, it's just an example to show how a dumb parent can ancestor a genious kid, in other words, a more advanced kid)

Oh, and as for why there are no apes as intelligent as humans: there are. Humans. Why there are no other apes as intelligent as humans? Pure luck. One has to be the smartest, and it happens to be us.

Libertine 09-23-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Average


Furious your understanding of evolution is simply appalling.

We didn't evolve from modern apes. Rather, both humans and other modern primates have evolved from a common ancestor millions of years ago. All species are subject to different selective pressures and this accounts for the divergence.

Before you speak any more on this subject you should go here and educate yourself: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li...faq/index.html

Ofcourse, by our current standards that common ancestor would be called an ape :glugglug

lock 09-23-2003 08:10 PM

As long as we have shows like Springer we can reverse the evoluton process.

HEARTBREAKER 09-23-2003 08:14 PM

it's confusing cause there's the Scientific evidences!

uranidiot 09-23-2003 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by lock
As long as we have shows like Springer we can reverse the evoluton process.
The problem is that the dumb often procreate the most spreading their genes far and wide.

Furious_Female 09-23-2003 08:21 PM

To be honest, I was raised Catholic and never even heard of evolution until I was a teenager. So I really don't know much about it to consider myself an expert on the subject. I am not an expert on God or the Bible either... all I know, is that I believe there is something or someone, behind everything that has evolved. I plan on studying more about evolution and the theory of God... I find it fascinating but I like to form my own opinions and not just be convinced by what the Bible or science says. They are both biased, even with all the substantial evidence science has... I think there is more to it all. :)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-23-2003 08:22 PM

Both.
Ever think about that?

chodadog 09-23-2003 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
its funny how they refuse to accept the FACTS
its not a "maybe", its PROVEN that we evolved from the chimp

some people should open their eyes

Isn't it embarrassing when you try to act all intelligent, and it blows up in your face? I suggest you open your eyes, and read a book. Evolved from chimps, hahahahah. Idiot.

Anyways. I really don't know. I'm no scientist, and i'm no theologist. I believe in some kind of god, i'm just not sure what. I also believe that evolution has played a great part in the way the world is. But other than that, i really don't care that much.

Joe Average 09-23-2003 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
... all I know, is that I believe there is something or someone, behind everything that has evolved.
But then who or whatever that is will need a cause as well, and that cause will need a cause and so on... and on... and on. Logically you are getting yourself into a lot of hot water.

Also, you say you 'know' but how do you 'know'? How could you be so certain of something for which no evidence exists? Do you know something the rest of us don't? :1orglaugh

Matt_WildCash 09-23-2003 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
its funny how they refuse to accept the FACTS
its not a "maybe", its PROVEN that we evolved from the chimp

some people should open their eyes

Nothing is proven, the Evolution scienctists are as byass if not more byass than the christians. There is no hard facts here. They quote bullshit like "ohh the Chimp has 95% of the DNA of a human so we must of come from Chimps" Well they don't mention that RATS have 90-92% of the DNA of humans as well, (this is why we do so much testing on rats cause there DNA is so close to ours.

This subject comes down to belief and NOT facts, anyone that believes its a open shut case has done any research and has just sucked in all the bullshit they got force feed from school & tv.

uranidiot 09-23-2003 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Driven


Nothing is proven, the Evolution scienctists are as byass if not more byass than the christians. There is no hard facts here. They quote bullshit like "ohh the Chimp has 95% of the DNA of a human so we must of come from Chimps" Well they don't mention that RATS have 90-92% of the DNA of humans as well, (this is why we do so much testing on rats cause there DNA is so close to ours.

This subject comes down to belief and NOT facts, anyone that believes its a open shut case has done any research and has just sucked in all the bullshit they got force feed from school & tv.


So you're basically saying that careful studying of the information available is less valid than a 2,000 year old piece of text that has absolutely no proof for it's statements nor any foundation in logic?

theking 09-23-2003 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Average


But then who or whatever that is will need a cause as well, and that cause will need a cause and so on... and on... and on. Logically you are getting yourself into a lot of hot water.

Also, you say you 'know' but how do you 'know'? How could you be so certain of something for which no evidence exists? Do you know something the rest of us don't? :1orglaugh

Re-read the post...your comprehension is on a level above that of Centurion...who has a comprehension level of a six year old.

buddyjuf 09-23-2003 08:40 PM

good thread

Joe Average 09-23-2003 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by theking


Re-read the post...your comprehension is on a level above that of Centurion...who has a comprehension level of a six year old.

Okay, I missed the 'I believe' bit so I withdraw the second part of my post but not the first.

buddyjuf 09-23-2003 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Driven


Nothing is proven, the Evolution scienctists are as byass if not more byass than the christians. There is no hard facts here. They quote bullshit like "ohh the Chimp has 95% of the DNA of a human so we must of come from Chimps" Well they don't mention that RATS have 90-92% of the DNA of humans as well, (this is why we do so much testing on rats cause there DNA is so close to ours.

This subject comes down to belief and NOT facts, anyone that believes its a open shut case has done any research and has just sucked in all the bullshit they got force feed from school & tv.

interesting point of view

the reason I believe in evolution is because it makes sense to me... "BAM I WANT TO CREATE THE HUMAN" doesnt

my bioligy teacher told me a story once:

Long time ago, before the industrial revolution, 99.9% of the butterflies in certain regions were white. They were able to hide on the white branch trees while the black ones were left to die.
When the industrial revolution came, the amount of "coal" (or something) was so much that it covered all the trees, therefore making the white butterflies defenceless... A few years later, 99.9% of the butterflies were black.

this only makes us that evolution is a part of survival, and that "the common ancestor" could have evolved into us to be able to see further (posture), to have his hands completely liberated (Standing up), to communicate (language), etc...

that makes sense to me

Centurion 09-23-2003 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


Re-read the post...your comprehension is on a level above that of Centurion...who has a comprehension level of a six year old.

You're sooo stale. If you're going to insult me..at least come up with a new line.

VERY OLD!:Kissmy

BlueDesignStudios 09-23-2003 09:03 PM

Good thread :thumbsup

theking 09-23-2003 09:05 PM

When it comes to the evolution theory there is still one major problem with it that as far as I know has never been explained away.

abiogenesis

Joe Average 09-23-2003 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
When it comes to the evolution theory there is still one major problem with it that as far as I know has never been explained away.

abiogenesis

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

theking 09-23-2003 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Average


http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

That link is one that I have read before and it does not offer any explanation for abiogenesis...it is talking about probabilities and ect...which really does not mean anything. I have researched this before and I have never found a good explanation about how life can spontaneously spring from inorganic matter. From what I read it is a leap of faith...much like it is a leap of faith to believe in creationism.

buddyjuf 09-23-2003 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog


Isn't it embarrassing when you try to act all intelligent, and it blows up in your face? I suggest you open your eyes, and read a book. Evolved from chimps, hahahahah. Idiot.

Anyways. I really don't know. I'm no scientist, and i'm no theologist. I believe in some kind of god, i'm just not sure what. I also believe that evolution has played a great part in the way the world is. But other than that, i really don't care that much.

Im no scientist either dumbass, maybe its not proven (even though I thought it was) , but all signs point to it, get the picture? :321GFY


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