You smoke a lot of DMT?

Rhythm is my god.

Mitsubishi Evolution VIII

What evidence of a deity do you speak of?

Who said that man evolved into a perfect form? We are very far from anything that may be considered perfect. Why should we be able to create life from scratch? Nature has had billions of years to do this. We most certainly CANNOT come close in only a few short decades.

Believing in a deity is by no means the same thing as believing in a scientific principle, which by definition; can, should, will, and does change with new evidence, debate, and models.

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LOL. You are pretty funny.

I'm not going to find every instance of evidence for you. I'm sure you can find google.com on your own, but here's a site about a museum in Texas.

http://www.creationevidence.org/

The guy that runs it is probably far more qualified than you and i. I'm not saying i agree with him, but again, to deny the existance of even <i>evidence</i> is just stupid. I'm not Christian. I believe in some form of God though. Quite frankly, what anyone else thinks about that means very little to me.

been to that museum, it is quite interesting.

He has casts of human footprints that were right next to dinosaur footprints, along with some other interesting finds.
I would also like to point out he is not the only person who has discovered footprints next to dinosaur prints.

Anyway, I'm not qualified to speak on the theories of evolution, I guess I kinda believe in a combination of both...and then sometimes I question my beliefs in a supreme being as I know it can be a fanciful idea.

However my question to those is if you don't believe in a god, a heaven a hell etc...then knowing full well this could be the ONLY shot we get at existence what are you doing to make it worthwhile?

This is a question I ask myself when I begin to have doubts.

I hope there is a heaven, I hope there is a God, I guess more for the reason that I just hope that there will be something better than what we've been born into...LOL

Life sure can be cool at times, but it can also be extremely hard.

Before taking the time to read this entire thread, let's make one thing clear:

Creationism is bullshit.

There are two major theories, namely creationism and the evolution theory. Those who believe in evolution theory say that looking at the evidence we now have, evolution theory or a variant thereof is the most likely explanation for the development and existence of advanced life on earth. Those who believe in creation theory say that the ancient magic book contains all the answers, and that the evolution theory still being incomplete clearly proves that the big ghost in the sky created everything.

Note how this has happened many times before in history. Once, people believed a big ghost in the sky caused thunderstorms by riding across the skies in his magic chariot. Then, science explained the true nature of thunderstorms. Once, people believed the big ghosts in the sky made it rain only if they sacrificed enough warriors. Then, science explained the true nature of rain. Etcetera. There are thousands of examples.

And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible.

Yesterday, I misplaced my keys. Finally found them, in a completely different place than I remembered. Now, would it be reasonable to assume that, since I have no conclusive natural explanation for what happened, the magic key-stealing leprechaun must have taken them and put them somewhere else?
Because that is essentially what creationists are saying.

You know it's funny.. I'm Wiccan and I have my own belief system. But I am also a true believer in science and scientific proof and methods. However, what I've never understood is this continual arguement between creationism and evolution. Who is to say, "God" did not create man VIA evolution? The 7 biblical days were not meant to be literal. Those who've studied the bible in depth should know that. It says in the bible that the life of a man is but a blink of an eye to god. So it would make sense to follow that a "day" for god could be thousands, millions, or even billions of years. What's an eyeblink?

I guess people are just so blinded by blind faith itself, they don't try to see it in a logical light. Me, I prefer to think instead being spoon fed my belief, and considering that the entire UNIVERSE, which was "created by god" follows a LOGICAL MECHINISM, why would not it be a reflection of it's "creator" who should be, if we follow the theory, a logical being? Am I really the first person to think about it that way?

being a christian at heart... creation all the way

No, you aren't. The main problem with reasoning like that is that the more science advances, the more it leaves you with an impotent, useless God. Why include a God in theories if she isn't necessary? Aside from that, it goes against the scientific law of singularity. It's giving two explanations for one thing, when one would be sufficient.

If you are speaking of the Paluxy River 'man tracks' they have been disproven for some time now.

You are all wrong...........

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........what you all have yet to realize is that you are all simply figments of the imagination of an alien chimp named god.......


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There was empirical proof that Saddam had possessed WMD's.

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You might want to stop sniffing glue some time soon. :2 cents:

Can't evolution have happened and there still be large powerful beings?

Saddam used WMD's against the Iranians and his own people. Betweet '91 and '98 the inspectors destroyed thousands of artillary/missile rounds that were armed with chemicals...tons of chemicals/biological materials. When they left in '98 the inspectors concluded that they had destroyed 95% of Saddam's WMD's. That is called empirical proof that Saddam had possessed WMD's. Your nick says it all...you are dismissed.

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I'd rather die believing in something, than live believing in nothing.

I agree furious

:thumbsup Evolution!!:)

Ignorance is bliss, eh? Not really a shock, coming from a republican pornographer :1orglaugh

LOL. Did you read that site?

I do absolutely everything I can. I help other people before I help myself, I go do crazy things, travel a lot, and learn as much as possible.

If you think you was a monkey back in a days then you probably still a monkey today!

If it floats your boat to believe in something with absolutely zero evidence and blind faith be my guest. It's your life and if it helps you rationalize things or get over hurdles in the road of life, more power to ya.

Many things don't have a reasonable explanation with facts, so you beleive in some things or you don't.

:2 cents:

Unlike some people, I can believe in things I have never seen or touched. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad right? :winkwink: Once I die, it won't make any difference if I lived believing in an afterlife that didn't exist. I can't do anything about it then! :1orglaugh But for now... I am happy believing there's more than meets the eye.

And yes punkworld I am a Republican pornographer... with an open mind of my own. You should try having one someday :thumbsup

actually, you seem to be confusing alot of things... and you forgot to include people who just dont know what the fuck happened... How can you believe that EVOLUTION is a sure thing!? WHat makes you think that it is impossible for a greater power to have created us? Because that would be supernatural and not Rational? How sure are you that there's no such thing as supernatural? Have you made some investigations?



as for that quote,

"And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, the big ghost in the sky must be responsible."

I can respond... And STILL people fail to see the fundamental flaw in the idea that if you can't explain something, there must be a scientific explaination!

Why? Is there scientific proofs proving that the millions who experience supernatural situations are crazy or liars !?

As long as one does not make it an unhealthy practice, it can't be that bad. A little odd, but not bad. Lot's of people need religion for various pure purposes such as healing or providing guidance under a moral set. Others need it to molest young boys or justify a war. Please be the former and don't push it on other people. :thumbsup

Actually there is scientific evidence.

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Whatever professor :thumbsup

A creationist who apparently can't read. What a surprise.
Did I say evolution is a sure thing? No, I said that people who believe in evolution theory - of whom I am one - believe it or a variant of it to be the <b>most likely</b> theory. It may well be wrong, there might be a completely different explanation we haven't uncovered yet. Indeed, we don't know for sure. However, most evidence we have at this time seems to support evolutionary theory.

Now, saying that because we don't know it must've been the great spirit in the sky is just stupidity. Not because it's impossible, or the contrary has been proven, but because virtually no real evidence has been supplied to support the idea.
It's like the idea of the key-stealing leprechauns: you'll never be able to refute it, no matter how hard you try. Still, that doesn't make it any more likely, now does it?

As for:
So far, science has done a pretty good job explaining things. It gave us cars, computers, airplanes, space ships, nuclear bombs, photography, the internet, electricity, genetics, modern medicine, x-rays, particle accelerators, plastic, and a few million other things.

Religion and the supernatural, on the other hand, gave us... well, nothing. No conclusive evidence, no inventions derived from it, just an assload of dumb-ass theories. Religion told us earth was the centre of the universe and the solar system, religion told us the earth was flat, religion told us that disease was "punishment from the gods", religion told us that drought was caused by a lack of sacrifices, religion told us that earth is only a few thousand years old.

So far, in ALL cases, either science has already won or research is still pending. Not once did religion come out on top. If I'm mistaken, please do point me toward a serious experiment which can be replicated that shows the spirit in the sky is responsible for anything whatsoever.
And no, hicks claiming to have been anally probed by the virgin Maria is not evidence.

Some evolutionists practice a form of religion (look up the various definitions of religion) and in doing so...those that eliminate in their minds the possibility of a creator...take a giant leap of faith that abiogenesis actually happened. Thus they have a belief...not unlike those that believe abiogenesis did not happen...but instead believe there was a creator.

Surely you could tell us some?

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exactly ...
God created evolution & the stars.

The post after your original quote above is correct in that they were able to create the amino acids or more specifically the initial proteins necessary to build amino acids.

However, approximately a year ago it was announced on CNN that two chemists were able to create the polio virus chemically.
They chose the polio virus because it's DNA sequence is very well known.

I think these two will go down in History as having been the first to "create life". Yes - I know that most academics CURRENTLY do not think viruses are "life". I think that definition is changing as protoproteins and phages become more known.

By the time I had heard it on CNN and began as quick as possible to get the links and information - it had already been taken down. (Go figure in this world of terrorists.).