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Thumbelina · 01-15-2003, 07:20 AM

Minte, as I know you only deal in quality(ie your galleries etc

)

And being a BMW lover there is no comparison

X5

all the way.

Thanks for all the nice galleries by the way

BlackRain · 01-15-2003, 09:50 AM

They are all nice cars.

However, take a look at the re-sale values on the SUV luxury models. You will take a pretty big hit when it is time to trade them in compared to the luxury sedan models.

I bought the 2002 MB sedan instead of the SUV after the dealer showed me all the USED M classes sitting on the lot looking for owners at a substantial discount off the list price.

I hate getting screwed by depreciation. If this is not a factor in your buying process. Enjoy yourself.

Minte · 01-15-2003, 11:42 AM

I just got back from test driving both suv's.. It wasn't entirely apples to apples..the MB had some break-in miles on it,nearly 6k where the BMW i drove was brand new..just over 90 miles. I drove both just over 15 miles..some country,a little interstate and back into town to the dealers.
The Bmw felt more nimble and clearly had stronger brakes and a little crisper shifting points.The MB felt faster to accelerate to freeway speeds..and took bumps better.Both had topend sound systems.. On the little bit of snow we have the MB was superior in acceleration from a dead stop.Under full pedal the MB never spun the tires,,where the BMW did..and the antislip kicked in several times.
The dash layout on the BMW is almost identical to my 330,which i like..the MB is somewhat retro in its controls..Overall comfort and ride goes to the MB...clearly
I could go on..but noone probably really cares anyhow..so to sum it...I am going with the MB this time around..and I will enjoy the M3 for my new fun car when it arrives in early FEB.

sexysphere · 01-15-2003, 11:43 AM

French and Deutsch cars are the best

ldinternet · 01-15-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vivaldi

... the fuck were they thinking, it looks like a shoe.

PaulSweet · 01-15-2003, 12:01 PM

They both look like Mini-vans to me.....

monro · 01-15-2003, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
i like the Lexus....

To have a Lexus as the same as kissing your sister.

Mojo · 01-15-2003, 02:16 PM

I bought an X5 for my wife when they first came out.

We test drove them all....if you want a compact truck and you're not off-raoding the X5 is an excellent truck.

Lexxx · 01-15-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Minte
I just got back from test driving both suv's.. It wasn't entirely apples to apples..the MB had some break-in miles on it,nearly 6k where the BMW i drove was brand new..just over 90 miles. I drove both just over 15 miles..some country,a little interstate and back into town to the dealers.
The Bmw felt more nimble and clearly had stronger brakes and a little crisper shifting points.The MB felt faster to accelerate to freeway speeds..and took bumps better.Both had topend sound systems.. On the little bit of snow we have the MB was superior in acceleration from a dead stop.Under full pedal the MB never spun the tires,,where the BMW did..and the antislip kicked in several times.
The dash layout on the BMW is almost identical to my 330,which i like..the MB is somewhat retro in its controls..Overall comfort and ride goes to the MB...clearly
I could go on..but noone probably really cares anyhow..so to sum it...I am going with the MB this time around..and I will enjoy the M3 for my new fun car when it arrives in early FEB.

Choosing between ML350 and X5 3.0? Both are low-end in their respective line-up but ML sounds better... cause 3.0 X5 has no extras and a weak engine for an SUV unlike MB's 3.5 V6.

Mr Pheer · 01-15-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409

i would tend to agree with you on most of those points. the whole deal behind the gas-guzzling nature and the sad fact that they never go off road has brought us the wonderous, absofuckinglutely useless suv's such as the honda cr-v and it's kin. there is no way in hell i can even bring myself to udnerstand those. if you're going to wuss out on the suv, get a minivan, lamer.

i also feel it is quite unfortunate that the majority of people don't use the suv's capabilities, most of them are for suburbanites on an ego trip. but they aren't a total waste, they do have their practical uses. take the excursion for example. that thing can pull a monstrous load, say a huge travel-trailer, and the people inside can ride quite luxuriously. and you might be surprised how well some of the newer ones ride, even off road.

although i'm proud to say that i've never owned an suv or 4wd truck that didn't get it's fair share of off-road rompage. my first suv, the first day i owned it i bashed the bumper apart off-roading (i used to live out in the country). hell, i even romped vehicles that weren't mine (lease returns and my dad's truck... he didn't appreciate that much).

in the end, i wouldn't judge every single person that owns an suv, they definitely have their place. i agree though, it is sad nobody uses them for their intended purpose. i would assume you don't get a lot of snow where you live, either for 4wd.

I agree with you totaly, thats why i traded my chevy avalanche in for a H2... Its been awesome the few times that I've got to take it offroad, and when i move to Vegas next month i plan on going offroad much more, since they have places like death valley and valley of fire, and also its great for towing my ATV's to the state parks. And although its an awesome offroad vehicle, it still has a nice ride on the hiway and handles the corners real good. Its an awesome SUV but if you dont plan on going offroad, you'd be happier with something more civilized.

PostWhore · 01-15-2003, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lexxx

Choosing between ML350 and X5 3.0? Both are low-end in their respective line-up but ML sounds better... cause 3.0 X5 has no extras and a weak engine for an SUV unlike MB's 3.5 V6.

BMW engines are stronger that MBs
BMW produce more hp per liter
ML350 is actually 3.7l and produces 232hp
ML320 was 3.2l and produced 215hp
ML500 is 5.0l and it is 288hp
ML55 is 5.4l and it is 342hp

X5 3.0l is 225hp
X5 4.4i is 290hp
X5 4.6is is 340hp

X5 is lighter than ML, so there is no way ML is faster.
I know and 100% sure that X5 4.6is is faster than ML55 AMG
X5 4.6is was fastest SUV until Porsche Cayanne(sp?)

PostWhore · 01-15-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
During my return home to the US for the holiday season this year, more than anything else I was struck with one important fact about America: People are Stupid.

There is no more ridiculous trend than that towards SUVs. Maybe 1% of the people who drive these ridiculous monstrosities need them. The rest are wasteful, dangerous, and vain.

Some thoughts...

1. SUVs guzzle gas. Why pay a ton to fill the tank of a vehicle that is far larger and heavier than you need? In doing so, you fund all those nasty arab countries that the US hates so much, including money that will end up in the hands of actual enemies. Plus, if anyone still cares about that sort of thing, you screw the environment.

2. SUVs have increased the amount of road deaths. While an SUV is safe for its driver, it is far more likely to kill anyone in the cars it collides with. Nice.

I like SUV and I will get one for sure. SUVs are not bigger gas guzzlers than a car. My m3 eats same amount of gas as my friends 4.0l Grand Cherokee.
I like SUV cause they are rommier, and I like to look at other cars from top. And they are more chill to drive than regular cars.

Minte · 01-15-2003, 07:40 PM

I will comment on the speed issue of the 2 SUV's I drove today.They both feel soft..Which is to be expected..the suspension is set up for comfort.The idea of driving a top-heavy rig like this at anything over freeway speeds doesn't sound like anything i would even attempt.There are a lot of other vehicles that are perfect for going fast..The problem is..that the 911 just isn't very good in the snow..and I don't think i would want to tow my boat behind it..I also stopped by the Lexus dealer today..but didn't take a test drive.I would assume it drives and performs just like the german.I think in this segment of SUV's it comes down to personal preference in styling.If I made an error with the M-B..i'll post any issues here and maybe the next guy might choose a different truck.

01-15-2003, 07:20 AM	#51
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01-15-2003, 11:42 AM	#53
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	I just got back from test driving both suv's.. It wasn't entirely apples to apples..the MB had some break-in miles on it,nearly 6k where the BMW i drove was brand new..just over 90 miles. I drove both just over 15 miles..some country,a little interstate and back into town to the dealers. The Bmw felt more nimble and clearly had stronger brakes and a little crisper shifting points.The MB felt faster to accelerate to freeway speeds..and took bumps better.Both had topend sound systems.. On the little bit of snow we have the MB was superior in acceleration from a dead stop.Under full pedal the MB never spun the tires,,where the BMW did..and the antislip kicked in several times. The dash layout on the BMW is almost identical to my 330,which i like..the MB is somewhat retro in its controls..Overall comfort and ride goes to the MB...clearly I could go on..but noone probably really cares anyhow..so to sum it...I am going with the MB this time around..and I will enjoy the M3 for my new fun car when it arrives in early FEB. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

01-15-2003, 11:43 AM	#54
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01-15-2003, 12:01 PM	#56
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01-15-2003, 02:16 PM	#58
Mojo Used to be a Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 356	I bought an X5 for my wife when they first came out. We test drove them all....if you want a compact truck and you're not off-raoding the X5 is an excellent truck. __________________ -12clicks wears fancy boots.

01-15-2003, 09:50 AM	#52
BlackRain Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 110	They are all nice cars. However, take a look at the re-sale values on the SUV luxury models. You will take a pretty big hit when it is time to trade them in compared to the luxury sedan models. I bought the 2002 MB sedan instead of the SUV after the dealer showed me all the USED M classes sitting on the lot looking for owners at a substantial discount off the list price. I hate getting screwed by depreciation. If this is not a factor in your buying process. Enjoy yourself.

01-15-2003, 07:40 PM	#63
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	I will comment on the speed issue of the 2 SUV's I drove today.They both feel soft..Which is to be expected..the suspension is set up for comfort.The idea of driving a top-heavy rig like this at anything over freeway speeds doesn't sound like anything i would even attempt.There are a lot of other vehicles that are perfect for going fast..The problem is..that the 911 just isn't very good in the snow..and I don't think i would want to tow my boat behind it..I also stopped by the Lexus dealer today..but didn't take a test drive.I would assume it drives and performs just like the german.I think in this segment of SUV's it comes down to personal preference in styling.If I made an error with the M-B..i'll post any issues here and maybe the next guy might choose a different truck. __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.