Is new content even being shot anymore?

[Choker]

And if the paysite model does die a slow death is there enough existing content to keep tube sites in business? Don't hate me for this post, just discuss.

[carzygirls]

I guess tube site owners will just shoot all the content and make there VIP section... makes sense since they own all the traffic right?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

I guess tube site owners will just shoot all the content and make there VIP section... makes sense since they own all the traffic right?

Well considering most huge tubesites are owned by big paysite programs I would say they are already doing that. Question is if the paysite model dies will it still be profitable enough to jsutify shooting content just for the tube sites?

[epitome]

Yes, there is still a ton of content still being shot.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Choker

Well considering most huge tubesites are owned by big paysite programs I would say they are already doing that. Question is if the paysite model dies will it still be profitable enough to jsutify shooting content just for the tube sites?

I think so, but there won't be a ton of videos added each day like they can do when they take the content as they please. If that happened, I'd imagine the tubes would work together to shoot/buy non-exclusive content so you'll see the same "new" videos on multiple sites. Using exclusive content, unless they have a large paid members area, would quickly add up.

Edit: on second thought, it'd be just like the "legal" tubes out there today that purchase full scenes. The only thing that would be missing would be all of the promo content they use.

[Jim_Gunn]

Sure it is. I personally usually do three or four very content heavy shoots per week most weeks. For every former client that stopped updating their sites, went out of busines or sold off their assets- and there are quite a few of those- there are enough others that need new models, high quality content and specific themes that must be custom shot.

[Phoenix]

there is tons of content being shot...we get new releases every week coming into the office

[signupdamnit]

There's plenty of content to keep the tubes in business. But what will also happen is downward pressure on content prices (among other goods and services within the industry) so they will be able to pick up content from the desperate providers remaining for pennies on the dollar.

No matter what there will always be some content that the tubes can't get because it is exclusive and the owners diligently protect their property. These are the ones who will best be able to weather the tubes provided they are able to keep traffic too.

BTW, same downward pressure will happen to traffic too. As conversions get worse in general the value of 1k premium traffic goes down fast. The destruction caused is considerable within the industry though most don't realize they too will be hurt. Affiliate reps, traffic brokers, domainers, content providers, programmers, affiliates, payment processors, etc. ALL will be hurt.

[$5 submissions]

My guess is content production wil never die. It will just be custom shot for tubes who are upselling something other than members or "canned" content.

[marlboroack]

Content is like god. God created all.

[iSpyCams]

Content gets stale real fast, there are so many ways it can get dated,

Pussy shaving trends
tats and piercings
waistlines on jeans
photo resolution
hairstyles
makeup

Unless everybody decides to fantasize that they time traveled back to the previous decade to have sex, there will always be a market for fresh content.

[GetSCORECash]

Content is being shot, as The well is dry and consumers who are willing to pay want new faces to jerk too.

[Agent 488]

the same scenes on the tubes got old fast.

[Paul Markham]

Content production and buying has been in decline for 2 years or more. Most of the content that is being created is low level "Girl on a sofa" type content shot for a price rather than it's porn value.

There are a few exceptions but the above fits most.

It will not effect Tubes for a very long while. I don't know the exact figure but let's say last year the US released 10,000 new DVD titles. That's 50,000 new scenes on DVDs that can be uploaded to Tube sites. 136 a day.

Add to it the archives, the companies going out of business and selling cheap, the content owners selling non exclusive and the time for Tubes to run out of content is a long way away.

The decline in good content production for paysites will make them less attractive to join and continue the decline. Why join a site adding or containing uninspiring content when content is available for free on a Tube. And if you don't like one scene you can jump to the next and the next and the ........

[The Ghost]

Constantly shooting new stuff for our sites .

[Nautilus]

Production of new content is declining, but still plenty of new porn is being shot daily. Tubes are not going to face updates problems any time soon - even if all new production halts, there's still unrealistic amount of previously shot porn available. I once tried to estimate how many porn videos were shot up to this day in the world, and it appears that there are at least millions and more likely dozens of millions porn scenes produced so far. That's crazy. In terms of updates, that means that tubes have a good 100 years run of daily updates at their usual rate (50-100 new scenes/day on average), using old content only. And then they can recycle.

Of course not all of that content is available for tubes to steal as many content owners vigorously protect their property, and old content is not all that attractive to customers - but it's not that big of a problem for them either when it's free, because they still visit tubes, depsite that average scene posted there is 5-10 years old. That's actually all that tubes need because they're looking for traffic and not customer satisfaction.

Yes there's still a market for fresh porn, especially for quality scenes shot with the good knowledge of what your audience is looking for... But this market does not even compare to what porn market used to be some time ago - average Joe will wank just fine at what he can find at tubes, no matter if it's new or old, legal or stolen.

'99 is not coming back, sorry guys. Even if tubes will be forced to go legal, ban repeated infringers, use DFP etc, good ol days are gone forever.

But we still need to fight for this remaining market for fresh content because it can still sustain the remnants of our industry if vigorously protected.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Choker

And if the paysite model does die a slow death is there enough existing content to keep tube sites in business? Don't hate me for this post, just discuss.

shooting almost everyday

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

CoMost of the content that is being created is low level "Girl on a sofa" type content shot for a price rather than it's porn value.

post fail: members want low level "Girl on a sofa" type content and that's why this type of content is being produced and sold on a daily basis.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Content gets stale real fast, there are so many ways it can get dated,

Pussy shaving trends
tats and piercings
waistlines on jeans
photo resolution
hairstyles
makeup

Unless everybody decides to fantasize that they time traveled back to the previous decade to have sex, there will always be a market for fresh content.

new members, like new models are born everyday

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

scenes shot with the good knowledge of what your audience is looking for...

this is the real answer right here and note that I took 'quality' off

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

this is the real answer right here and note that I took 'quality' off

That's true to some extent - when a girl is doing what they want in a scene, many of them will say it's "hot" even if camera was shooting ceiling half of the time.

[Nubiles]

Yes here at Nubiles we have not slowed down our shooting schedule. There are a lot of sites like Met-art, ftvgirls, karups that still shoot just as much.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

Yes here at Nubiles we have not slowed down our shooting schedule. There are a lot of sites like Met-art, ftvgirls, karups that still shoot just as much.

and atk as well mr Drunkspringbreakgirls

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Nautilus

That's true to some extent - when a girl is doing what they want in a scene, many of them will say it's "hot" even if camera was shooting ceiling half of the time.

you're thinking completly video... stills still have major impact on the market

[RyuLion]

We're still shooting, we had our new solo girl over at my place, we shoot her for 5 days here in Miami..

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I don't know the exact figure so I will just talk out of my arse, like usual.

:thum bsup: thumbsup:thumb sup:

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

post fail: members want low level "Girl on a sofa" type content and that's why this type of content is being produced and sold on a daily basis.

And why every day ratios get worse.

But nice spam.

[Buzz]

Even when the last paysite on earth will close its doors content will be shot. Surfers need fresh porn every day, and there will be someone who'll offer it.

The question is not "any content shot", the question is "who's paying for the content". And that's what to be determined in a year or two.

[scarlettcontent]

yes plenty are still shooting

[NaughtyRob]

Many sites are still shooting exclusive updates. Many more sites are buying other stuff.

[BVF]

I just shot a scene today.

[DWB]

Yes, it's still being shot. Though, when I try to think long term in this business I have to admit, if some laws are not changed I don't know how many more years we'll all be able to continue like this. There will come a breaking point eventually.

[Ross]

PIMPROLL shoots exclusive content for all our Exclusive sites regularly.

[JustDaveXxx]

Yup. Still shooting.

[LeRoy]

Yep... same here too. A lot of our content sites are updated daily.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

BTW, same downward pressure will happen to traffic too. As conversions get worse in general the value of 1k premium traffic goes down fast. The destruction caused is considerable within the industry though most don't realize they too will be hurt. Affiliate reps, traffic brokers, domainers, content providers, programmers, affiliates, payment processors, etc. ALL will be hurt.

This has already happened. But it's not just a matter of supply and demand. Huge tube sites,dating and cam sites are the biggest buyers of traffic now. The demand for traffic is higher now than it ever was, however the buyers buy a lot each instead of several buyers buying a little each like it was 3 years ago. And they pretty much dictate the prices they are willing to pay. Traffic I got $6 per k for 3 years ago I get $3 per k for now.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

BTW, same downward pressure will happen to traffic too. As conversions get worse in general the value of 1k premium traffic goes down fast. The destruction caused is considerable within the industry though most don't realize they too will be hurt. Affiliate reps, traffic brokers, domainers, content providers, programmers, affiliates, payment processors, etc. ALL will be hurt.

Great post.

Originally Posted by Choker

This has already happened. But it's not just a matter of supply and demand. Huge tube sites,dating and cam sites are the biggest buyers of traffic now. The demand for traffic is higher now than it ever was, however the buyers buy a lot each instead of several buyers buying a little each like it was 3 years ago. And they pretty much dictate the prices they are willing to pay. Traffic I got $6 per k for 3 years ago I get $3 per k for now.

The demand is high and the price is low. What does that tell you?

[Nikki_Licks]

Yep, still shooting here ;)

[naughtylaura]

Shooting here too xx

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And why every day ratios get worse.

But nice spam.

you know Paul, I looked the other way when guys bagged you out as a dumb ass... like what the fuck? right? you've been around for some time and I always gave you the benefit of a doubt... after this post I'm thinking you're a prime example of 'any dumb fuck used to be able to make money in porn' to the current biz model of porn which is 'only smart mother fuckers are making money'... seriously dude... buy vowel...

[Odin]

I'd imagine pornhubpremium , tnaflixpremium, etc is generating 1000s and 1000s of signups a day for moviebox, vidz, etc, which lease content if I am not mistaken. There are business models that work with tubes, but it only works for a few big players (as Choker already mentioned). As someone said, even if and when tubes are forced to go legal, the good old days in regards to ratio's for small players will not return, content will still get created though, because money is still being made.

[kazbalah]

My 2 cents - you wont like.. but you should have seen this coming 15 YEARS ago.

Think about it, in the first days of adult sites i heard of stories of people putting up 50 picture sets and making a paysite out of that - they made 60,000$ a month.

Why - because their was no porn to be found on the net at that time, so people had to pay for it.

And now, we dont just have tube sites, we have the millions of blogs, rapidshare and mega upload giving away videos and WHOLE paysites for free, tgps, mgps - if you cant find free porn your a fucking idiot.

So porn everywhere on the internet = shit sales.

The more free content, the less sales. simple.

And to conclude my point, here is the future of porn...

No paysite memberships, porn will only be used as a way to attract surfers to a website, to make money on paid ads like adbrite or whatever... bank it.. thats where we heading ;)

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Choker

This has already happened. But it's not just a matter of supply and demand. Huge tube sites,dating and cam sites are the biggest buyers of traffic now. The demand for traffic is higher now than it ever was, however the buyers buy a lot each instead of several buyers buying a little each like it was 3 years ago. And they pretty much dictate the prices they are willing to pay. Traffic I got $6 per k for 3 years ago I get $3 per k for now.

Yes. Exactly what I was thinking. The same will happen for domains, content, programming, etc too. Think of all the small and medium sized affiliates buying domains or scripts. Imagine all of them leaving the market. It's easy to see what will likely happen. And this forum too. Why pay for advertising when it's just 100 people trading X-sales and patting each other on the back? Affiliates and potential customers were why people bought ads here. Not much point when they no longer exist or are no longer profitable.

Originally Posted by kazbalah

No paysite memberships, porn will only be used as a way to attract surfers to a website, to make money on paid ads like adbrite or whatever... bank it.. thats where we heading ;)

I agree. Though some will still be able to survive by being exclusive and vigorously protecting their content but it will not be easy. The thing is that as a whole this new model is literally pennies on the dollar compared to what we used to have.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by Choker

And if the paysite model does die a slow death is there enough existing content to keep tube sites in business? Don't hate me for this post, just discuss.

Our paysites are still doing ok & we are still shooting new content. Looking forward to christmas footage, as Natalie & I usually find a day in the week to enjoy a bottle of wine & shoot different scenes for the film with the tree & decorations up... It makes a nice day of work

Im hoping that tube sites shall fall so theres not so much free content, giving paysites mor of a chance of make it bigger, sadly, I think there shall alway be enough content to provide unseen footage to the tubes

[kazbalah]

I agree. Though some will still be able to survive by being exclusive and vigorously protecting their content but it will not be easy. The thing is that as a whole this new model is literally pennies on the dollar compared to what we used to have.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, the glory days are gone. Looks like i missed out!

Look at the web - whats the biggest shit right now? Social sites if you ask me - youtube, facebook - social interactivity?

Whats a tube site? Social porn.

So cmon steve lightspeed and all you other old school players, prove you didnt just get lucky by jumping into porn before i was born - reinvent this shit.

If i was in the big players position, instead of trying to stop progress i would be looking for a way to exploit it.

[TheDoc]

Well, we can see from this thread a shit ton of people still shoot porn. I'll add to the list, Topbucks still shoots/updates with fresh content.

Most of the major tubes, if not all have purchased $100k (and often more) worth of dvd content... and everyone one of them sells out of every ad slot they have, month over month, year after year.

It might be the same few big companies, same few paysites, same few products that buy over and over from tubes. But it's not because they'are the ones that can convert them, it's because they are the ones that can afford the tube's ad costs. Some of these tubes are bringing in more money than entire programs - yes profiting more!

To outsell the tube, you have to sell a better product than the tube... once you do that, the game changes.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Our paysites are still doing ok & we are still shooting new content. Looking forward to christmas footage, as Natalie & I usually find a day in the week to enjoy a bottle of wine & shoot different scenes for the film with the tree & decorations up... It makes a nice day of work

Im hoping that tube sites shall fall so theres not so much free content, giving paysites mor of a chance of make it bigger, sadly, I think there shall alway be enough content to provide unseen footage to the tubes

Gary, please post a link to just one of your films being stolen on a tube, a torrent, rapidshare, usenet, private ftp, anything.

Just one link.

The problem you have is your content isn't even worth stealing.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

To outsell the tube, you have to sell a better product than the tube... once you do that, the game changes.

The tubes aren't really "selling" anything though. They are giving away what used to be the product for free and instead generating revenue for pennies on the dollar with prepaid advertising from non-pay sites. Essentially it's trading the profitability of the pay site product itself for a greater share of non-paysite revenue.

You can't compete by "selling" a better product. You have to be willing to give it away and play the same game or move on to a different product which has not been devalued. In a way it would be much like running a lemonade stand and selling lemonade for 50 cents a cup. Then some asshole sets up shop right next to you and starts giving it away free. It's basically the same situation.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

You can't compete by "selling" a better product.

You set up a stand giving away crap quality hamburgers. I will set up a stand next to you selling kobe beef.

Sure, you will get more people who want free shit at your stand. I will get more people with money who appreciate quality. Mine will be repeat customers.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

You set up a stand giving away crap quality hamburgers. I will set up a stand next to you selling kobe beef.

Sure, you will get more people who want free shit at your stand. I will get more people with money who appreciate quality. Mine will be repeat customers.

This is true but with one caveat. If the other guy can simply steal your higher quality product and still offer it for free, having better quality products does you no good. If you read my posts in this topic, that is what I've been saying over and over. Few will pay for your kobe beef if some asshole set up a shop next to you and is giving it away free.