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Old 11-11-2010, 01:18 PM   #51
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the only problem this country has is that your 47% of the country pays no tax.
Leave it to a tea bagger to think this is the only problem our Country has or to think 47% of the Country pays no taxes at all.
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oh, and tiger, your chat is a lie. I'd be curious to see where you pulled it from.
considering the top tax rate is 35% under bush, 39.6% proposed by obama, 4.6% of 1million is NOT $103,835 nor is it $97,486

but I guess it looks good when you're perpetrating class warfare, eh?

here's a number to consider.
a 35% tax on $1mil is $350,000.00
Thats a $350,000 payment (per year) for the same services you're probably getting for free.
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Leave it to a tea bagger to think this is the only problem our Country has or to think 47% of the Country pays no taxes at all.
leave it to one of the sniveling unwashed to not understand the consequences of having half the voting populous have no skin in the game.
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leave it to one of the sniveling unwashed to not understand the consequences of having have the voting populous have no skin in the game.
Oh lord... like removing the tax cut would give people no skin in the game, hahaha... much like it did through the 90's or the 40's to the 80's or after Reagan tax cuts were removed.
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oh, and tiger, your chat is a lie. I'd be curious to see where you pulled it from.
considering the top tax rate is 35% under bush, 39.6% proposed by obama, 4.6% of 1million is NOT $103,835 nor is it $97,486

but I guess it looks good when you're perpetrating class warfare, eh?

here's a number to consider.
a 35% tax on $1mil is $350,000.00
Thats a $350,000 payment (per year) for the same services you're probably getting for free.
so your suggestion would be for that person making 1mil to pay the same dollar amount as the person making 50k (since they are receiving the same services), or you have a different idea?

and isn't the 39.6 "proposed by obama" actually just a going back to the rate it was before the cut?

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Oh lord... like removing the tax cut would give people no skin in the game, hahaha... much like it did through the 90's or the 40's to the 80's or after Reagan tax cuts were removed.
dear idiot, you're talking about the 47% who don't pay taxes. not the tax cut.

christ, no wonder you've failed at life. you can't hold a train of thought for 5 minutes.
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it's funny, but i don't know if you're talking about the current administration, or the last one
And a direct comparison to George W. Bush is a good thing? LOL. What Dubya did or didn't do doesn't matter anymore. He is gone. His game is over. Now we "move forward" with Mr. Obama.

I, for one, would love to see someone stand up and say "we need to stop fighting, we have things to do, enough is enough." I don't care who says it, just someone. I hope it's him and not the next President, we need to start today.

Calling the Republicans enemies does not help. Promising to repeal legislation without new solutions doesn't help.
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dear idiot, you're talking about the 47% who don't pay taxes. not the tax cut.

christ, no wonder you've failed at life. you can't hold a train of thought for 5 minutes.
Oh so your statement is even stupider? So now your saying people that do pay taxes, but get a rebate on federal income tax, don't have a skin in the game?

Damn, you are one pathetic shit stain American.... truly, you may be one of the most pathetic people I know.
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Pro American is an idea not a person. For me it is the vision of the founding fathers of the country. When a president goes against that vision, I will have issue with them.

What politicians say they will do and what they actually do are rarely the same. Also, majority rule (democracy) does not insure individual rights or liberty. Sometimes the majority will even vote to violate the rights a small select group because it is of benefit to them and they believe their needs are more important than another's.

I totally agree with you the IDEA of America is awesome. Its sad to me what the place has become. The american people voted for the president.
What does that have to say about the current american people?
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Hey man, Give BHO a frickin break you stupid right wing nut jobs. He is only letting the top earners keep their tax cuts for the sake of the middle class. And just to make clear this is his administrations idea. David Axelrod told the HuffingtonPost they will be called The Obama Tax Cuts For America. He's making lots of good changes and he's sticking to his word that he refuses to continue all of the failed policies of the previous administration.

You dumb republicans don't give him enough credit. You are all a bunch of Glenn Beck worshiping racist tea baggers.
Barack set the timeline for the successful Iraq troop withdraw AND now he is president the surge actually finally did work.
He stood his ground by ending US water boarding torture tactics of the Bush regime too. Now water boarding of Islamic fundamentalists is handled by foreigners.. He's closing down gitmo too. Axelrod said 2012 is a definite maybe.

All you rude Harvard and Dartmouth Republican AIDS activists that keep interrupting Obama's speeches need to realize that HIS administration is donating all the money to Africa. The evil greedy capitalist corporate war mongers don't care. Bush only set a 15 billion dollar initiative in 2003, then in 2008 another 48 billion. Obama asked Congress for a $0.2 billion increase in 2009 and a $0.1 billion increase in 2010. That's one-tenth of what he promised and less than 15% of the amount George W. Bush increased spending his last two years in office. But Obama will keep his word.

12clicks I just fucked you up with some truth. Stop watching Faux News and lean forward into MSNBC where they do news right. You'd probably fall on your face leaning forward though.
I'm out. If I see any more stupid posts I'll go all Ed Schultz on your asses.
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jesus dude, give it up. no one cares about the facts!
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That is the key point.
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so your suggestion would be for that person making 1mil to pay the same dollar amount as the person making 50k (since they are receiving the same services), or you have a different idea?
do we pay different prices for a loaf of bread depending on our income?

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and isn't the 39.6 "proposed by obama" actually just a going back to the rate it was before the cut?
yup. so?

the income tax rate in 1912 was 0%
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That is the key point.
Zero taxes and zero gov spending = 13 trillion in debt, nothing happens.
Same taxes and zero gov spending = 5 years to pay off 13 trillion dollars.

Someone is going to have to explain the math on some of these key points.
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the one society's leeches try to hide.
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Oh so your statement is even stupider? So now your saying people that do pay taxes, but get a rebate on federal income tax, don't have a skin in the game?

Damn, you are one pathetic shit stain American.... truly, you may be one of the most pathetic people I know.
it continues to embarrass itself.
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its funny all the leftist trash I can lure into one thread.
with their unsubstantiated "facts" their cute gifs, inaccurate charts......no wonder they think this business is hard.
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do we pay different prices for a loaf of bread depending on our income?



yup. so?

the income tax rate in 1912 was 0%
Yes, poor people pay less or nothing for food.

And in 1912 we didn't have a federal reserve... and no power grids, roads, public transportation, air transportation, clean water, air, lead was going into everything, most police was volunteer, not all military took a pay, no vet services... oh hell like I need to keep going.
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do we pay different prices for a loaf of bread depending on our income?
um, gonna say that someone making 50k is buying a cheaper loaf of bread than someone making 1mil, so...yes?

and just curious, but since you believe that everyone should pay the same amount, what amount do you believe that should be? We can use the 50k and 1mil person again. How much do they pay?



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and income tax rate in 1951 was 91% for the top bracket
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it continues to embarrass itself.
You are The Demon aren't you or his butt buddy, one of the two.
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I'm going to fuck 12clickkks up with more truth.
What do you have to say about all the damn greedy corporations who claim they are hoarding all their money because "They are uncertain about the future". What do they care? They will just hire someone overseas and continue to fuck this economy up. Sure there are a bunch of government regulations making it a pain to employ our citizens but they are rich they can afford it.
Then there is your argument about the small businesses effected by increased taxes. You say that a guy makes 250k a year and most of it is wrapped in his business and paying employees, and what is left is what he pays himself. That's not true. You think that by raising that persons taxes he might have to lay someone off and it will decrease incentive to take chances, try new ideas and grow his company by adding more employees? That's a myth. Those small businesses get to deduct their employee's. They pay a guy 30k a year and get a tax cut of 2k. that's pretty fair if you ask me. Quit complaining and stop trying to fuck over the less fortunate.
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yup. so?

the income tax rate in 1912 was 0%
Let me guess.... The "Evil" progressives did it to hurt the wealthy? I bet you blame it all on this guy.
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I'm going to fuck 12clickkks up with more truth.
What do you have to say about all the damn greedy corporations who claim they are hoarding all their money because "They are uncertain about the future". What do they care? They will just hire someone overseas and continue to fuck this economy up. Sure there are a bunch of government regulations making it a pain to employ our citizens but they are rich they can afford it.
Then there is your argument about the small businesses effected by increased taxes. You say that a guy makes 250k a year and most of it is wrapped in his business and paying employees, and what is left is what he pays himself. That's not true. You think that by raising that persons taxes he might have to lay someone off and it will decrease incentive to take chances, try new ideas and grow his company by adding more employees? That's a myth. Those small businesses get to deduct their employee's. They pay a guy 30k a year and get a tax cut of 2k. that's pretty fair if you ask me. Quit complaining and stop trying to fuck over the less fortunate.
Hahaha. You can tell this loser has never done any of the things he talks about above
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Hahaha. You can tell this loser has never done any of the things he talks about above
Hey man, this is the time of entitlement! I'm all about spreading the cheese to the less fortunate people. so what if most of them are lazy. they are people too. You should turn of Rush and listen to laurence o'donnell the last word so you can get the truth. We are the party of welfare checks, you are the party of paychecks.
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Hahaha. You can tell this loser has never done any of the things he talks about above
I posted this earlier but I bet I scared your right wing ass with all the facts.

Hey man, Give BHO a frickin break you stupid right wing nut jobs. He is only letting the top earners keep their tax cuts for the sake of the middle class. And just to make clear this is his administrations idea. David Axelrod told the HuffingtonPost they will be called The Obama Tax Cuts For America. He's making lots of good changes and he's sticking to his word that he refuses to continue all of the failed policies of the previous administration.

You dumb republicans don't give him enough credit. You are all a bunch of Glenn Beck worshiping racist tea baggers.
Barack set the timeline for the successful Iraq troop withdraw AND now he is president the surge actually finally did work.
He stood his ground by ending US water boarding torture tactics of the Bush regime too. Now water boarding of Islamic fundamentalists is handled by foreigners.. He's closing down gitmo too. Axelrod said 2012 is a definite maybe.

All you rude Harvard and Dartmouth Republican AIDS activists that keep interrupting Obama's speeches need to realize that HIS administration is donating all the money to Africa. The evil greedy capitalist corporate war mongers don't care. Bush only set a 15 billion dollar initiative in 2003, then in 2008 another 48 billion. Obama asked Congress for a $0.2 billion increase in 2009 and a $0.1 billion increase in 2010. That's one-tenth of what he promised and less than 15% of the amount George W. Bush increased spending his last two years in office. Obama needs to tax those hateful corporations and give it all to Africa. Tax Bush an extra 100% while we dole out the social justice.

12clicks I just fucked you up with some truth. Stop watching Faux News and lean forward into MSNBC where they do news right. You'd probably fall on your face leaning forward though.
I'm out. If I see any more stupid posts I'll go all Ed Schultz on your asses.
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There is not one bit of news here. I simply re-stated what POTUS and Robert have been saying. Our two strong principles are that we need to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, but we can't afford a permanent extension of the tax cuts for the wealthy."
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Obama leans forward.


Barny's boyfriend leans forward.


Bill Maher leans forward


This progressive student leans forward.


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There is not one bit of news here. I simply re-stated what POTUS and Robert have been saying. Our two strong principles are that we need to extend the tax cuts for the middle class, but we can't afford a permanent extension of the tax cuts for the wealthy."
I got this from the source of sources on the huffingtonpost.
"WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's top adviser suggested to The Huffington Post late Wednesday that the administration is ready to accept an across-the-board, temporary continuation of steep Bush-era tax cuts, including those for the wealthiest taxpayers.

That appears to be the only way, said David Axelrod, that middle-class taxpayers can keep their tax cuts, given the legislative and political realities facing Obama in the aftermath of last week's electoral defeat."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_781992.html

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A good book you should check out is New Deal Or Raw Deal. It'll make you think.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:54 AM   #86
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I posted this earlier but I bet I scared your right wing ass with all the facts.

Hey man, Give BHO a frickin break you stupid right wing nut jobs. He is only letting the top earners keep their tax cuts for the sake of the middle class. And just to make clear this is his administrations idea. David Axelrod told the HuffingtonPost they will be called The Obama Tax Cuts For America. He's making lots of good changes and he's sticking to his word that he refuses to continue all of the failed policies of the previous administration.

You dumb republicans don't give him enough credit. You are all a bunch of Glenn Beck worshiping racist tea baggers.
Barack set the timeline for the successful Iraq troop withdraw AND now he is president the surge actually finally did work.
He stood his ground by ending US water boarding torture tactics of the Bush regime too. Now water boarding of Islamic fundamentalists is handled by foreigners.. He's closing down gitmo too. Axelrod said 2012 is a definite maybe.

All you rude Harvard and Dartmouth Republican AIDS activists that keep interrupting Obama's speeches need to realize that HIS administration is donating all the money to Africa. The evil greedy capitalist corporate war mongers don't care. Bush only set a 15 billion dollar initiative in 2003, then in 2008 another 48 billion. Obama asked Congress for a $0.2 billion increase in 2009 and a $0.1 billion increase in 2010. That's one-tenth of what he promised and less than 15% of the amount George W. Bush increased spending his last two years in office. Obama needs to tax those hateful corporations and give it all to Africa. Tax Bush an extra 100% while we dole out the social justice.

12clicks I just fucked you up with some truth. Stop watching Faux News and lean forward into MSNBC where they do news right. You'd probably fall on your face leaning forward though.
I'm out. If I see any more stupid posts I'll go all Ed Schultz on your asses.
You call these facts? More like far left talking points. You can't substantiate a single thing mentioned here. You're so blinded by your ideology you can't realize both sides have been fucking Americans up the ass for a long time. The fact you actually refer to MSNBC and Huffington Post as your resources for information nullifies your statement completely. Both organizations have been caught on numerous occasions reporting inaccurate information, and that's putting it politely. It's why MSNBC has 10 viewers and the Huffington Post is taken as seriously as the comics.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:03 AM   #87
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You call these facts? More like far left talking points. You can't substantiate a single thing mentioned here. You're so blinded by your ideology you can't realize both sides have been fucking Americans up the ass for a long time. The fact you actually refer to MSNBC and Huffington Post as your resources for information nullifies your statement completely. Both organizations have been caught on numerous occasions reporting inaccurate information, and that's putting it politely. It's why MSNBC has 10 viewers and the Huffington Post is taken as seriously as the comics.
hmm... ..... look at my post of pics above and notice my reference of New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America by Burton W., Jr. Folsom. Am I a right wing nut job or a liberal with no nuts and no job?
I suggest you join me over at the blaze.
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:09 AM   #88
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hmm... ..... look at my post of pics above and notice my reference of New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America by Burton W., Jr. Folsom. Am I a right wing nut job or a liberal with no nuts and no job?
I suggest you join me over at the blaze.
Actually, you're right..I am mistaken. Need sleep I guess.. I stand corrected. BTW, that Gary Larson comic is one of my all time favorites.
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Old 11-12-2010, 03:06 AM   #89
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Actually, you're right..I am mistaken. Need sleep I guess.. I stand corrected. BTW, that Gary Larson comic is one of my all time favorites.
no, you weren't mistaken. :D I was having a laugh being a liberal for a while.
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