What Was Obama's Biggest Fuck Up? (Poll)

[stocktrader23]

The Obama will never win thread got me wondering, where does GFY think he fucked up the most out of the topics listed?

[Doctor Dre]

It's not just on Obama thought... The Bush admin is mostly responsible for the bailout and the economic colapse. The whole system is fucked up.

[epitome]

Those are all huge things. I wish he'd tackle some of the smaller, easier things he promised. I was optimistic and never expected him to fix everything in one term but damn, do something everybody can rally around.

One thing about the health care bill that was good that nobody talks about is how anybody that wants insurance can now buy it. There are no such things as pre-existing conditions to keep you un-insurable. The media has done a horrible job letting people know that they don't have to wait until 2014; there is gap coverage right now for as little as $144 a month for those under 30 and it only goes up to like $350 for the oldest people.

In that example, the media is to blame. It is all doom and gloom, but the sickliest people, who need coverage the most can now have it -- if they pay for it, which is how it should be.

He's fucked up big time on DADT.

Those two issues are at the front of my mind because they are both important to me.

Tax cuts for the middle class; they're there. Not huge, but there.

Wall Street bailout started before him but he is also bailout friendly and gets half of the blame.

Contrary to all of the doom and gloom that we are spoon fed, the economy is recovering. Economists are optimistic. They don't make it on the news much, but the big convention for banks/foreclosures took place (at the Diplomat in Hollywood FL -- that always makes me lol) last week and the banks were all the happiest they've been since this mess started.

I still think Obama is a sellout though. He promised a bunch of things to a bunch of different people and Wall Street and the military industrial complex seem to benefiting the most from his presidency.

It's late, I'm tired ... so sorry if its not coherent.

[stocktrader23]

Not as many posts as I'd hope but it is middle of the night.

The Obama admin. cut taxes for middle-class Americans, expects to make a profit on the Wall Street rescue and has overseen an economy that has grown for the past four quarters.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Not as many posts as I'd hope but it is middle of the night.

The Obama admin. cut taxes for middle-class Americans, expects to make a profit on the Wall Street rescue and has overseen an economy that has grown for the past four quarters.

That pretty much right there says what their biggest fuck up is.. They don't have a clue how to communicate to the masses... Short sentences.. Clear concise messages... play to peoples fears... don't be afraid to call the repubs "liars" (in a politically correct manner) if that's what they're doing... attack the repubs with the type of stuff that puts fear in the people of repubs... They get clobbered all the time by the repubs who have a bunch of short sentence slogans they use time and time again that have proven to be nothing but lies they spread.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Tempest

That pretty much right there says what their biggest fuck up is.. They don't have a clue how to communicate to the masses... Short sentences.. Clear concise messages... play to peoples fears... don't be afraid to call the repubs "liars" (in a politically correct manner) if that's what they're doing... attack the repubs with the type of stuff that puts fear in the people of repubs... They get clobbered all the time by the repubs who have a bunch of short sentence slogans they use time and time again that have proven to be nothing but lies they spread.

I actually wish Obama would go ghetto on them for awhile.

"You are one dumb motherfucker" or "you are a lying ass cracker" then finish up by pointing out how they are dumb and / or lying.

This has always been a problem of Democrats though. Republicans are team players and can stick to their retarded messages in bulk. Give the monkeys a talking point on Fox morning shows and idiots will be repeating it on GFY before noon. Democrats think everyone should make rational decisions based on their own experiences so they often argue amongst themselves. They can't stay 'on message' as well because everyone is throwing in their own, well thought out opinions. Those don't work when dealing with a sea of idiots. Slogans are much more effective on the tards.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I actually wish Obama would go ghetto on them for awhile.

"You are one dumb motherfucker" or "you are a lying ass cracker" then finish up by pointing out how they are dumb and / or lying.

This has always been a problem of Democrats though. Republicans are team players and can stick to their retarded messages in bulk. Give the monkeys a talking point on Fox morning shows and idiots will be repeating it on GFY before noon. Democrats think everyone should make rational decisions based on their own experiences so they often argue amongst themselves. They can't stay 'on message' as well because everyone is throwing in their own, well thought out opinions. Those don't work when dealing with a sea of idiots. Slogans are much more effective on the tards.

Yep... The Dems are always defending their shit which just can't be done effectively.. They need to get in front of things and attack instead... But as you said, it's always been their problem. They just can't get it thru their thick skulls.

[DateDoc]

Obama's biggest fuck up was running for President when he did. No one could have succeeded. He should have waited 4 or 8 years and then ran.

[The Demon]

I'm pretty positive the Dens are as dumb as, if not dumber than Republicans in conveying their ideas. They had everything in their pockets and they completely fucked it up.

[TylerBang]

He let the right frame everything so that no matter what good things are done, it is framed as bad.

To me that is his big fuckup, lack of communication.

[The Demon]

Ah yes, the good old "he let everyone else fuck it up for him therefore he fucked up" logic. +1 for denial

[Coup]

What Was Obama's Biggest Fuck Up?

running for president

[martinsc]

[GatorB]

His biggest mistake is not nipping the teabagger shit in the bud and using the Patriot Act to send them to "re-education camp"

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Not as many posts as I'd hope but it is middle of the night.

The Obama admin. cut taxes for middle-class Americans, expects to make a profit on the Wall Street rescue and has overseen an economy that has grown for the past four quarters.

That's a wonderful but inaccurate liberal song.
First, TARP For banking was a Bush plan. So forget giving obama credit for it. What obama DOES get credit for is bailing out GM. With money we will NEVER get back. http://www.consumerismcommentary.com...loans-in-full/
Next, the Bush tax cuts WILL expire December 31st. More than wiping out any imaginary tax cuts obama is claiming. How much is a 5% tax hike on a family earning $50k a year? All praise obama! http://finance.yahoo.com/taxes/artic...dvice_strategy
Also, the obama lies that obamacare will "lower insurance rates" and "if you like your insurance plan you can keep it" are already exposed for what they are.
Lastly, he's run up 5 trillion dollars of new debt and he's nowhere near done. Do you have any idea how crippling that debt will be on an economy that will go nowhere in the next 5 years?

Trust me, the liberal media has done a wonderful job covering for their golden boy

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

That's a wonderful but inaccurate liberal song.
First, TARP For banking was a Bush plan. So forget giving obama credit for it. What obama DOES get credit for is bailing out GM. With money we will NEVER get back. http://www.consumerismcommentary.com...loans-in-full/
Next, the Bush tax cuts WILL expire December 31st. More than wiping out any imaginary tax cuts obama is claiming. How much is a 5% tax hike on a family earning $50k a year? All praise obama! http://finance.yahoo.com/taxes/artic...dvice_strategy
Also, the obama lies that obamacare will "lower insurance rates" and "if you like your insurance plan you can keep it" are already exposed for what they are.
Lastly, he's run up 5 trillion dollars of new debt and he's nowhere near done. Do you have any idea how crippling that debt will be on an economy that will go nowhere in the next 5 years?

Trust me, the liberal media has done a wonderful job covering for their golden boy

But we did get some money back, unlike the other auto bailouts we've done when we got nothing for our money - now we YOU own part of gm. So either way the bailout would have happened, under any president - yet you're mad at that guy that did it the better way.

The tax cuts should expire, they are pointless and not working. At that, the "previous" tax rate that it's returning to includes our largest economic growth in history. Unlike anything that has happened with the current tax cuts.

Obama hasn't run up 5 trillion in debt, he hasn't spent 5 trillion on anything... you'll never be able to show where or how he spent 5 trillion because he hasn't.

So what media channel is that spews Obama spent 5 trillion dollars? You may want to start listening to the liberal media (whoever that is). If you take in much more from the other side your head might explode.

[Maxi]

No matter how much you may think he fucked up the Republicunts would have fucked up a 100 fold.

Why do you think your economy is fucked up in the first place? Because the Republicunts have been lowering taxes on the top 1% for the last 30 years.

Put it this way you have no fucking choice, it's either Obama or the retarded teabaggers. You really think the illiterate fuck wits that aren't fit to work as a cleaner in Mc Donalds like Sarah Palin can do better? lol.

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Maxi

No matter how much you may think he fucked up the Republicunts would have fucked up a 100 fold.

Why do you think your economy is fucked up in the first place? Because the Republicunts have been lowering taxes on the top 1% for the last 30 years.

Put it this way you have no fucking choice, it's either Obama or the retarded teabaggers. You really think the illiterate fuck wits that aren't fit to work as a cleaner in Mc Donalds like Sarah Palin can do better? lol.

I agree

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Maxi

No matter how much you may think he fucked up the Republicunts would have fucked up a 100 fold.

Why do you think your economy is fucked up in the first place? Because the Republicunts have been lowering taxes on the top 1% for the last 30 years.

Put it this way you have no fucking choice, it's either Obama or the retarded teabaggers. You really think the illiterate fuck wits that aren't fit to work as a cleaner in Mc Donalds like Sarah Palin can do better? lol.

I love the trash that wants to see their betters pay their way for them because they've failed to succeed in the land of opportunity

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

The tax cuts should expire, they are pointless and not working.

Every time you post, I'm continually surprised that you're able to feed yourself.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Every time you post, I'm continually surprised that you're able to feed yourself.

And you're doing a bang up job backing up anything you, ever say...

Like it or not, it costs money to run this Country. Even before wars, bailouts, healthcare, whatever. It costs roughly 800 billion a year to keep this boat moving.

Tax.com - "Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels."

Even if you ended the wars... we would still be short. The countries average wave has fallen so much during that period, during those tax cuts - and the 1% has climbed so much, that it's not possible to get ahead with the current tax setup even if you cut most spending.

You at one time supported the wars, bad Saddam, bad terrorists. Now you think it shouldn't be paid for. (fyi, it wasn't paid for during those 8 years) - And you think the mind of liberals is twisted....

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

And you're doing a bang up backing up anything you, ever say...

Like it or not, it costs money to run this Country. Even before wars, bailouts, healthcare, whatever. It costs roughly 800 billion a year to keep this boat moving.

Tax.com - "Total income was $2.74 trillion less during the eight Bush years than if incomes had stayed at 2000 levels."

Even if you ended the wars... we would still be short. The countries average wave has fallen so much during that period, during those tax cuts - and the 1% has climbed so much, that it's not possible to get ahead with the current tax setup even if you cut most spending.

You at one time supported the wars, bad Saddam, bad terrorists. Now you think it shouldn't be paid for. (fyi, it wasn't paid for during those 8 years) - And you think the mind of liberals is twisted....

I guess on idiot street you can't cut spending, you can only raise taxes on your betters.
That's why idiot street is going to squeal this election

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I guess on idiot street you can't cut spending, you can only raise taxes on your betters.
That's why idiot street is going to squeal this election

So what do the Republicans have in mind to cut, if they kept the current tax setup with Bush, that will balance everything out?

I've heard the words budget freeze tossed around, which doesn't meant he Gov stops spending money - either way, even if we did a budget freeze with the current tax setup we would still be short.

It's not like the Republicans are going to end the war on the terror or reduce what actually costs us buckets of money that would make a difference. So good luck explaining how you're going to cut another 500 billion, before those costs.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I've heard the words budget freeze tossed around, which doesn't meant he Gov stops spending money - either way, even if we did a budget freeze with the current OVER SPENDING we would still be short..

Fixed it for you.

His biggest fuck up? Not being a leader. He had super majority and still managed to fuck everything up with shitty bills that will not work.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

So what do the Republicans have in mind to cut, if they kept the current tax setup with Bush, that will balance everything out?

I've heard the words budget freeze tossed around, which doesn't meant he Gov stops spending money - either way, even if we did a budget freeze with the current tax setup we would still be short.

It's not like the Republicans are going to end the war on the terror or reduce what actually costs us buckets of money that would make a difference. So good luck explaining how you're going to cut another 500 billion, before those costs.

I'm for a 10% across the board cut

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm for a 10% across the board cut

What would that do to help our Country? A 10% cut would still increase our debts/deficits, everything every day, it's child's play.

This is the point it has reached... besides ending the wars, every donation, military location in the world - we would have to close or reduce by 50% almost every department in the Gov (good or bad).... and you would STILL have to increase taxes or it take generations to pay everything back.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Fixed it for you.

His biggest fuck up? Not being a leader. He had super majority and still managed to fuck everything up with shitty bills that will not work.

Even if you took out all over spending going on right now, the current tax cuts still would not benefit us. Even if you take out the war costs and over spending, the current tax cuts still wouldn't do shit to help the Country. That's before still having to pay for the last 8 years...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Even if you took out all over spending going on right now, the current tax cuts still would not benefit us. Even if you take out the war costs and over spending, the current tax cuts still wouldn't do shit to help the Country. That's before still having to pay for the last 8 years...

Lower the corp tax rate and we will see more jobs and more tax rev. Then cut spending and we are in the black.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

What would that do to help our Country? A 10% cut would still increase our debts/deficits, everything every day, it's child's play.

This is the point it has reached... besides ending the wars, every donation, military location in the world - we would have to close or reduce by 50% almost every department in the Gov (good or bad).... and you would STILL have to increase taxes or it take generations to pay everything back.

If thats not enough, we can cut more.
The point being, we're overtaxed now. I certain portion of the country (the idiot part) thinks we're not.

The government should live within it's means and those means should be whatever 15% income tax across the board pays for

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Lower the corp tax rate and we will see more jobs and more tax rev. Then cut spending and we are in the black.

Corp. Tax should be zero. The idiot that first came up with taxing corps should be hung by the neck until dead

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Corp. Tax should be zero. The idiot that first came up with taxing corps should be hung by the neck until dead

Second highest corp tax among countries we are competitive with.



But then we have stupid lefties that want to punish these people even more.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

The whole system is fucked up.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

If thats not enough, we can cut more.
The point being, we're overtaxed now. I certain portion of the country (the idiot part) thinks we're not.

The government should live within it's means and those means should be whatever 15% income tax across the board pays for

If you reduce all tax to 15%, dropped the Gov size to match it, you would still go bankrupt and couldn't catch back up, ever. At that you would have no border security, military, research, most schools would fail across the nation...

Reality is, the entire system/structure is broken, from the local, to the State, to the Fed. Reducing the Fed tax to 15% would simply mean the States increase taxes to pay for services that nobody is going to give up, like public schools.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Second highest corp tax among countries we are competitive with.



But then we have stupid lefties that want to punish these people even more.

And most of the richest Corporations in the world, the richest share holders in the world, the highest paid owners in the world, the most millionaires in the world, the most billionaires in the world...

Yep, sounds like our Corp tax system is totally busted...

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Lower the corp tax rate and we will see more jobs and more tax rev. Then cut spending and we are in the black.

Lowering corporate taxes historically has not done that...

The only time it does is when capital gains tax on money brought in for investments is reduced to under 10%. Just that one part of it. During that time they end up collecting more in tax revenue from the growth that happens from those investments.

However, currently companies are net profiting more than ever, owners paying them selves more is increasing, while the average persons income is dropping.

Until people "are buying" Companies will not hire, you can rip corp tax to nothing and they CAN'T grow without buyers.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

And most of the richest Corporations in the world, the richest share holders in the world, the highest paid owners in the world, the most millionaires in the world, the most billionaires in the world...

Yep, sounds like our Corp tax system is totally busted...

Imagine what we could do without the impediments of bad economic policy.
Even YOU might share in the wealth

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Lowering corporate taxes historically has not done that...

The only time it does is when capital gains tax on money brought in for investments is reduced to under 10%. Just that one part of it. During that time they end up collecting more in tax revenue from the growth that happens from those investments.

However, currently companies are net profiting more than ever, owners paying them selves more is increasing, while the average persons income is dropping.

Until people "are buying" Companies will not hire, you can rip corp tax to nothing and they CAN'T grow without buyers.

Incorrect.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Imagine what we could do without the impediments of bad economic policy.
Even YOU might share in the wealth

I'm already in the net positive for wealth. Being so, for years I've given up a solid % of my income to help another Family every single month, before Veteran affairs and part of my business being non profit hosting Veteran organization Websites FOR FREE.

I've got plenty to share and do...

Imagine what would happen if every American stopped being greedy.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Incorrect.

It's correct... you saying it's incorrect doesn't make it so. That's before you use simple, 1, 2, 3 logic..

[TheDoc]

Out for the morning... time for volunteer coach in the family to win some kids soccer games.

Get out and help a fellow American today, the rewards are better than anything money can offer.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Lowering corporate taxes historically has not done that...

The only time it does is when capital gains tax on money brought in for investments is reduced to under 10%. Just that one part of it. During that time they end up collecting more in tax revenue from the growth that happens from those investments.

However, currently companies are net profiting more than ever, owners paying them selves more is increasing, while the average persons income is dropping.

Until people "are buying" Companies will not hire, you can rip corp tax to nothing and they CAN'T grow without buyers.

What's up Doc?

Anyhow, 12clicks and that other retard like to obscure facts. Regardless of what our corporate tax rate is set at nobody is paying that shit. There are so many loopholes in our tax code that Google pays a whopping 2.4%.

[Serge Litehead]

want to see more domestic jobs, tax the hell out of imports, but who will want that, right? its too late for import taxes anyway because obviously we don't want to upset china
either way we are screwed blame whoever you want.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

What's up Doc?

Anyhow, 12clicks and that other retard like to obscure facts. Regardless of what our corporate tax rate is set at nobody is paying that shit. There are so many loopholes in our tax code that Google pays a whopping 2.4%.

Oh the irony of the bolded statement. You liberals get your asses handed to you and instead of taking it like men, you start rationalizing so you can sleep better at night.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm already in the net positive for wealth. Being so, for years I've given up a solid % of my income to help another Family every single month, before Veteran affairs and part of my business being non profit hosting Veteran organization Websites FOR FREE.

I've got plenty to share and do...

Imagine what would happen if every American stopped being greedy.

It's the small minded bottom rungers who imagine their betters are greedy

[Serge Litehead]

about economy recovering - total bs imo, as long national debt is increasing at the speed of light. i would agree with economy recovering when national debt numbers would actually start decreasing, and economy growth only after national debt equals zero. we are so deep in the hole, there is no light at the end of tunnel. no one cares because we are all busy pointing fingers to blame left or right, nothing else matters in the politics arena at the moment.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Out for the morning... time for volunteer coach in the family to win some kids soccer games.

Get out and help a fellow American today, the rewards are better than anything money can offer.

Wow, you're quite the humanitarian, Pele.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by holograph

about economy recovering - total bs imo, as long national debt is increasing at the speed of light. i would agree with economy recovering when national debt numbers would actually start decreasing, and economy growth only after national debt equals zero. we are so deep in the hole, there is no light at the end of tunnel. no one cares because we are all busy pointing fingers to blame left or right, nothing else matters in the politics arena at the moment.

http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-v...bt-by-country/

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

What's up Doc?

Anyhow, 12clicks and that other retard like to obscure facts. Regardless of what our corporate tax rate is set at nobody is paying that shit. There are so many loopholes in our tax code that Google pays a whopping 2.4%.

I posted facts with links in my first reply to you. I can only throw pearls before you, I can't drag you out of the sty.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-v...bt-by-country/

wonderful, the future is shining in bright colors

[Rochard]

Obama's biggest mistake was running for President now. No president is going to fare well during these times. My guess is that Obama will be knocked out, a republican put in his place, and that republican will do just as poorly.

It's not that either of them is doing anything bad or worse than the other. The truth is, as a society, we have come to expect everything instantly. Everyone thought that "change" mean "we'll fix this quickly" and there is, in very simple terms, no quick fix for this.