All Avs Sites Are Now Useless!!!!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

morpheus123 · 01-10-2003, 07:26 AM

ALL AVS SITES ARE NOW USELESS!!!!!!

I WILL NEVER USE ANY AVS TO 'PROTECT' MY SITE!

IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING SO, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.

WHY?

CREDIT CARDS ARE NOW BEING OFFERED TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE IN THE FORM OF 'CASH CARDS'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WORKS JUST LIKE A VISA OR MASTERCARD!!!!!!!!!

SO ANY MINOR CAN USE THIS CASH CARD/CREDIT CARD, PUT ANY FUCKING NAME AND ADDRESS HE OR SHE WANTS

(BECAUSE THERE IS NO NAME ON THE CARD, IT JUST SAYS ****BANK CUSTOMER)

THEN BOOM!!!!!! THEY ARE IN YOUR 'AVS' PROTECTED SITE, VIEWING ALL THE SHIT YOU GOT IN THERE;

AND THE SAME TYPE OF CONTENT YOU OFFER ON YOUR SITE, BE IT SOFT PORN OR XXXXXXXXXXXX RATED, IS STILL FREE ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE ONLINE, ANY MINOR CAN GET THERE HANDS ON IT IF THEY WANT TO.

SO DON'T KID YOURSELVES ANYMORE WITH THIS AVS BULLSHIT.

WHAT COUNTS NOW ON YOUR SITE IS GOOD CONTENT.

LET PARENTS POLICE THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

BUT THE REAL QUESTION NOW IS, ARE YOU BEHIND AN AVS TO 'PROTECT CHILDREN' OR JUST MAKE MONEY VIA SIGN-UPS?

IF YOU HAVE A CONSCIOUS, RAISE YOUR HAND.

- MORPHEUS

NickB. · 01-10-2003, 07:28 AM

hmmm,

KingK7 · 01-10-2003, 07:32 AM

HIT THE GODDAMN CAPS LOCK BUTTON AND CALM DOWN BEFORE YOU HAVE A HEART ATTACK!!!!!

Dveron · 01-10-2003, 07:35 AM

I don't think too many webmasters are using AVS to protect adult content from kids anymore dude..

rayzor · 01-10-2003, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morpheus123
ALL AVS SITES ARE NOW USELESS!!!!!!

I WILL NEVER USE ANY AVS TO 'PROTECT' MY SITE!

great! less competition for the rest of us

seriously, did you really think AVS protected anything? there are tons more hardcore in TGPs and link lists... AVS is really just a "front" and a way for webmasters to make more money because they know the surfer has a credit card. what we should be worried about is that the goverment will crack down and we will need another form of verification. i believe in some countries like germany, EVERY adult site must be behind an AVS. this would make an AVS pretty useless if what you say about everyone being able to get a cash card is true.

marty · 01-10-2003, 07:47 AM

Since when do webmasters give a fuck how old their clients are?

Using AVS is not about screening the members!

My

KRL · 01-10-2003, 07:52 AM

There was a debate like this when Adult Check and the other first AVS systems started up.

I was one of the first to start taking checks online for site access.
It was a tad primitive back then. We were doing it all internally and processing and printing checks with just electronic authorization and I got one of my banks to accept the printed check deposits without signatures. Can't imagine how I manged that one, but I did. LOL, Anyway, this was pre ACH via the net days obviously.

A few people were saying I was violating the requirement for proof of age by credit card law, but my point was checking accounts required you to be over 18 also. And also any kid could go online with their parents card and use it too.

Legally you have to be 18 to enter into a binding contract. So if a kid buys a prepaid mastercard and uses it. I don't think merchants will sell one to them. And secondly you wouldn't have a legally binding transaction anyway.

Carrie · 01-10-2003, 08:19 AM

There's a lot of reasons for using an AVS - one of which being to keep the hardcore away from the kids. But there's also screening the surfer to see if he is a wallet-puller, and covering your ass should anyone in a black suit show up at your door.

Putting a textbox with a "by entering this site you agree that..." statement doesn't keep people from entering free sites either, but it *does* present a legal defense if you're ever taken to court. Putting that textbox there is literally creating a contract, you're giving the surfer a limited license to view your content which is null and void if they break the contract (such as by being underage or by being somewhere where viewing porn online is illegal).

Even if it may not keep all of the kids out, it's still a good idea and a good reason to do it. This is just a slow, experimentary migration from paper/coin currency to purely electronic currency. We'll have a lot of things like this popping up and fading away over the next few years until we're finally rid of paper/coin currency (maybe by 2010?). Just roll with it... and even if it doesn't present much of a challenge to the kids, keep doing whatever you can to cover your ass.

skazzel · 01-10-2003, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marty

Using AVS is not about screening the members!

Sure it is, it's just more about screening for members that have credit cards (and are willing to use them) than screening out minors.

Michael O · 01-10-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morpheus123
ALL AVS SITES ARE NOW USELESS!!!!!!

I WILL NEVER USE ANY AVS TO 'PROTECT' MY SITE!

IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING SO, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME.

WHY?

CREDIT CARDS ARE NOW BEING OFFERED TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE IN THE FORM OF 'CASH CARDS'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WORKS JUST LIKE A VISA OR MASTERCARD!!!!!!!!!

SO ANY MINOR CAN USE THIS CASH CARD/CREDIT CARD, PUT ANY FUCKING NAME AND ADDRESS HE OR SHE WANTS

(BECAUSE THERE IS NO NAME ON THE CARD, IT JUST SAYS ****BANK CUSTOMER)

THEN BOOM!!!!!! THEY ARE IN YOUR 'AVS' PROTECTED SITE, VIEWING ALL THE SHIT YOU GOT IN THERE;

AND THE SAME TYPE OF CONTENT YOU OFFER ON YOUR SITE, BE IT SOFT PORN OR XXXXXXXXXXXX RATED, IS STILL FREE ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE ONLINE, ANY MINOR CAN GET THERE HANDS ON IT IF THEY WANT TO.

SO DON'T KID YOURSELVES ANYMORE WITH THIS AVS BULLSHIT.

WHAT COUNTS NOW ON YOUR SITE IS GOOD CONTENT.

LET PARENTS POLICE THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

BUT THE REAL QUESTION NOW IS, ARE YOU BEHIND AN AVS TO 'PROTECT CHILDREN' OR JUST MAKE MONEY VIA SIGN-UPS?

IF YOU HAVE A CONSCIOUS, RAISE YOUR HAND.

- MORPHEUS

PornoDoggy · 01-10-2003, 10:34 AM

Fix the caps lock, switch to decaf, up the prozac, and get a life. How many *#^#$^%% boards you gonna post this on?

ldinternet · 01-10-2003, 10:40 AM

... all the while we're still getting signups, and our member areas are still getting traffic that's willing to use credit cards and checking accounts to make online porn purchases.

What a waste of time AVS sites really are.

Snake Doctor · 01-10-2003, 10:54 AM

The whole idea of a valid credit card creating a rebuttable presumption of age was part of the Helms amendment to COPA.

Since the courts decided that COPA was unconstitutional I don't think that has applied for quite some time now.

But AVS has been and continues to be a very good business model.

Turboface · 01-10-2003, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornoDoggy
Fix the caps lock, switch to decaf, up the prozac, and get a life. How many *#^#$^%% boards you gonna post this on?

hehehe - This guy definately needs to up his dosage.

MrPopup · 01-10-2003, 11:03 AM

THE VERY FIRST THING I LEARNED 9 YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTING USING THE INTERNET WAS TO AVOID USING ALL CAPS TO EMPHASIZE AN ENTIRE TEXT PASSAGE

chodadog · 01-10-2003, 11:05 AM

http://www.geocities.com/pimpingainteasy2003/index.html

Is this a boneprone character or what?

Probono · 01-10-2003, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
The whole idea of a valid credit card creating a rebuttable presumption of age was part of the Helms amendment to COPA.

Since the courts decided that COPA was unconstitutional I don't think that has applied for quite some time now.

But AVS has been and continues to be a very good business model.

BINGO!

Since COPA is still mired in the courts a credit card is still a safe harbor and still a good model until the law either is voided or amended.

cherrylula · 01-10-2003, 11:08 AM

If that's the case, then why would these underage kids just use their cards to join AVS?

Why not just join a paysite?

Its called their fucking parents job to prevent this.

Wizzo · 01-10-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morpheus123
BUT THE REAL QUESTION NOW IS, ARE YOU BEHIND AN AVS TO 'PROTECT CHILDREN' OR JUST MAKE MONEY VIA SIGN-UPS?

Make Money via sign ups!

The only two kids I protect are my own and they never surf very long without Dad looking over there shoulder.

[The Leader] · 01-10-2003, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wizzo

Make Money via sign ups!

The only two kids I protect are my own and they never surf very long without Dad looking over there shoulder.

amen, now if only all parents could realize this.

FATPad · 01-10-2003, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Carrie

Putting a textbox with a "by entering this site you agree that..." statement doesn't keep people from entering free sites either, but it *does* present a legal defense if you're ever taken to court. Putting that textbox there is literally creating a contract, you're giving the surfer a limited license to view your content which is null and void if they break the contract (such as by being underage or by being somewhere where viewing porn online is illegal).

Wrong.

There is no contract, and you can't enter into contracts with underage people anyways. So even if it was a contract, any minors are not bound to it.

Warning pages are a good will gesture basically.

Argoz · 01-10-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keyser Soze

Tipsy · 01-10-2003, 01:19 PM

Wow is this guy confused. A good tip would be to...

KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE MAKING A COMPLETE TIT OF YOURSELF ON THE BOARDS.

Another tip would be to also change your board name and start over 'cause nobody will ever take you seriously now. Read the posts above about caps lock too.

susanna · 01-10-2003, 05:50 PM

From what I have understood reading about these cards is that the money is loaded ONTO them from a valid credit card.

Not sure what the point is that this guy is trying to make. The user of one of these cards will have to get the money onto them from somewhere.

Another point is... we might know that the avs system is not entirely pure at heart with wanting to charge a fee to access the porn "to keep the net clean for kids" I mean we tell surfers that but we tell them alot of shit.

Infact all porn behind an avs system would keep it cleaner but we would have to clean up our tours and censor etc..

Lets let the politicians think we are atleast trying to keep the net porn free for the kids.

Susanna

http://www.fetishverify.com
http://www.4womenavs.com

01-10-2003, 07:26 AM	#1
morpheus123 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 9	All Avs Sites Are Now Useless!!!!!! ALL AVS SITES ARE NOW USELESS!!!!!! I WILL NEVER USE ANY AVS TO 'PROTECT' MY SITE! IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING SO, YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. WHY? CREDIT CARDS ARE NOW BEING OFFERED TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE IN THE FORM OF 'CASH CARDS'!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WORKS JUST LIKE A VISA OR MASTERCARD!!!!!!!!! SO ANY MINOR CAN USE THIS CASH CARD/CREDIT CARD, PUT ANY FUCKING NAME AND ADDRESS HE OR SHE WANTS (BECAUSE THERE IS NO NAME ON THE CARD, IT JUST SAYS ***BANK CUSTOMER) THEN BOOM!!!!!! THEY ARE IN YOUR 'AVS' PROTECTED SITE, VIEWING ALL THE SHIT YOU GOT IN THERE; AND THE SAME TYPE OF CONTENT YOU OFFER ON YOUR SITE, BE IT SOFT PORN OR XXXXXXXXXXXX RATED, IS STILL FREE ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE ONLINE, ANY MINOR CAN GET THERE HANDS ON IT IF THEY WANT TO. SO DON'T KID YOURSELVES ANYMORE WITH THIS AVS BULLSHIT. WHAT COUNTS NOW ON YOUR SITE IS GOOD CONTENT. LET PARENTS POLICE THEIR OWN CHILDREN. BUT THE REAL QUESTION NOW IS, ARE YOU BEHIND AN AVS TO 'PROTECT CHILDREN' OR JUST MAKE MONEY VIA SIGN-UPS? IF YOU HAVE A CONSCIOUS, RAISE YOUR HAND. - MORPHEUS Last edited by morpheus123; 01-10-2003 at 07:47 AM..*

01-10-2003, 07:52 AM	#7
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	There was a debate like this when Adult Check and the other first AVS systems started up. I was one of the first to start taking checks online for site access. It was a tad primitive back then. We were doing it all internally and processing and printing checks with just electronic authorization and I got one of my banks to accept the printed check deposits without signatures. Can't imagine how I manged that one, but I did. LOL, Anyway, this was pre ACH via the net days obviously. A few people were saying I was violating the requirement for proof of age by credit card law, but my point was checking accounts required you to be over 18 also. And also any kid could go online with their parents card and use it too. Legally you have to be 18 to enter into a binding contract. So if a kid buys a prepaid mastercard and uses it. I don't think merchants will sell one to them. And secondly you wouldn't have a legally binding transaction anyway. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains Last edited by KRL; 01-10-2003 at 07:54 AM..

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01-10-2003, 01:19 PM	#23
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Wow is this guy confused. A good tip would be to... KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE MAKING A COMPLETE TIT OF YOURSELF ON THE BOARDS. Another tip would be to also change your board name and start over 'cause nobody will ever take you seriously now. Read the posts above about caps lock too. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

01-10-2003, 07:28 AM	#2
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	hmmm,

01-10-2003, 07:32 AM	#3
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	HIT THE GODDAMN CAPS LOCK BUTTON AND CALM DOWN BEFORE YOU HAVE A HEART ATTACK!!!!!

01-10-2003, 07:35 AM	#4
Dveron Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,794	I don't think too many webmasters are using AVS to protect adult content from kids anymore dude..

01-10-2003, 07:47 AM	#6
marty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,656	Since when do webmasters give a fuck how old their clients are? Using AVS is not about screening the members! My

01-10-2003, 08:19 AM	#8
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	There's a lot of reasons for using an AVS - one of which being to keep the hardcore away from the kids. But there's also screening the surfer to see if he is a wallet-puller, and covering your ass should anyone in a black suit show up at your door. Putting a textbox with a "by entering this site you agree that..." statement doesn't keep people from entering free sites either, but it does present a legal defense if you're ever taken to court. Putting that textbox there is literally creating a contract, you're giving the surfer a limited license to view your content which is null and void if they break the contract (such as by being underage or by being somewhere where viewing porn online is illegal). Even if it may not keep all of the kids out, it's still a good idea and a good reason to do it. This is just a slow, experimentary migration from paper/coin currency to purely electronic currency. We'll have a lot of things like this popping up and fading away over the next few years until we're finally rid of paper/coin currency (maybe by 2010?). Just roll with it... and even if it doesn't present much of a challenge to the kids, keep doing whatever you can to cover your ass.

01-10-2003, 10:34 AM	#11
PornoDoggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,053	Fix the caps lock, switch to decaf, up the prozac, and get a life. How many *#^#$^%% boards you gonna post this on?

01-10-2003, 10:40 AM	#12
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	... all the while we're still getting signups, and our member areas are still getting traffic that's willing to use credit cards and checking accounts to make online porn purchases. What a waste of time AVS sites really are.

01-10-2003, 11:05 AM	#16
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	http://www.geocities.com/pimpingainteasy2003/index.html Is this a boneprone character or what?

01-10-2003, 11:08 AM	#18
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	If that's the case, then why would these underage kids just use their cards to join AVS? Why not just join a paysite? Its called their fucking parents job to prevent this.

01-10-2003, 05:50 PM	#24
susanna Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 81	From what I have understood reading about these cards is that the money is loaded ONTO them from a valid credit card. Not sure what the point is that this guy is trying to make. The user of one of these cards will have to get the money onto them from somewhere. Another point is... we might know that the avs system is not entirely pure at heart with wanting to charge a fee to access the porn "to keep the net clean for kids" I mean we tell surfers that but we tell them alot of shit. Infact all porn behind an avs system would keep it cleaner but we would have to clean up our tours and censor etc.. Lets let the politicians think we are atleast trying to keep the net porn free for the kids. Susanna http://www.fetishverify.com http://www.4womenavs.com Last edited by susanna; 01-10-2003 at 05:52 PM..