Not a fan of FOX news but I really like this John Stossel guy

[Mr. Cool Ice]

I liked him over at ABC but like him more at Fox.

[SteveHardeman]

Me too. Read one of his books as well. Really enjoy his message although it mostly gets me enraged over what happens in real life versus what should be happening.

[Ethersync]

I can not stand Fox News, but Stossel is great.

[Randy West]

[gmr324]

Stossel tells it like it is...like him better than Geraldo

[Horny Dude]

Originally Posted by Randy West

Stossel is a pimp, kicking it at the Playboy Mansion.

[Slutboat]

[BlackCrayon]

im really surprised hes on fox. he always seemed like a libertarian and the opposite of what fox news typically represents.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

im really surprised hes on fox. he always seemed like a libertarian and the opposite of what fox news typically represents.

He is a libertarian, which always puts a different point of view on things than others. Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers, but only people that watch Fox would know that.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

He is a libertarian, which always puts a different point of view on things than others. Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers, but only people that watch Fox would know that.

I used to watch Red Eye, which struck me as having a strong conservative slant. Of course there was only one reason I watched it... for one of their correspondents.















The Mighty Oderus Urungus!

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

He is a libertarian, which always puts a different point of view on things than others. Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers, but only people that watch Fox would know that.

WAIT - did you just equate Libertarian and "Liberal"

And you actually JUST ADMITTED watching FOX FAKE NEWS???

Your Mind-Programming is now complete Vendzilla - they may activate you at any time.

[Furious_Female]

John Stossel is a true Libertarian, unlike Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

WAIT - did you just equate Libertarian and "Liberal"

And you actually JUST ADMITTED watching FOX FAKE NEWS???

Your Mind-Programming is now complete Vendzilla - they may activate you at any time.

Dont think he said that at all, he was talking about Fox having contributors with *multiple* points of view. And as an example, he pointed out that they had liberal contributors as well, then assumed that people who didnt watch Fox news would assume that they probably blacked out all points of view from the liberal side.

I dont think every person who refuses to watch Fox would believe that, but your not helping to prove otherwise.

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by Napolean

Dont think he said that at all, he was talking about Fox having contributors with *multiple* points of view. And as an example, he pointed out that they had liberal contributors as well, then assumed that people who didnt watch Fox news would assume that they probably blacked out all points of view from the liberal side.

I dont think every person who refuses to watch Fox would believe that, but your not helping to prove otherwise.

OK yes I'm not going to take the time to prove something that EVERYONE KNOWS - I tune into that joke of a fake fucking "News" Channel enough to know that there is ZERO balance - it is 100 percent PURE Republican Propaganda - the only "Liberals" they have are mousy quiet imbeciles like Alan Colmes - OH and they DROPPED him... FAUX news is the fucking laughing stock of the news world and EVERYONE knows it.

[Dcat]

Give Me A Break

[IllTestYourGirls]

I enjoy John Stossel. It is hard to argue with his reasoning.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

WAIT - did you just equate Libertarian and "Liberal"

And you actually JUST ADMITTED watching FOX FAKE NEWS???

Your Mind-Programming is now complete Vendzilla - they may activate you at any time.

Again, you have shit for brains
Libertarian is nothing to do with liberal views you half baked idiot and no I didn't equate them as such, maybe if you weren't so spoon feed from MSNBC you would see that.

And the only reason some may think that he is slanted right is he sees the FUCK UPS the liberal people are doing!

[Slutboat]

hahahahah!!

"He is a libertarian, which always puts a different point of view on things than others. Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers"

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

OK yes I'm not going to take the time to prove something that EVERYONE KNOWS - I tune into that joke of a fake fucking "News" Channel enough to know that there is ZERO balance - it is 100 percent PURE Republican Propaganda - the only "Liberals" they have are mousy quiet imbeciles like Alan Colmes - OH and they DROPPED him... FAUX news is the fucking laughing stock of the news world and EVERYONE knows it.

The same things could be said about MSNBC, and even Comedy Central. (100 percent PURE Democratic/Obama Propaganda)

I cant disagree that there are a lot of shows on Fox that are blatantly biased, and I dont watch those either. It's even more annoying when I see a bunch of people on Fox hopping on the "Libertarian" band wagon one week, and railing against things like gay marraige the next.

Your not proving a point by pointing out Fox's conservative bias while blatantly ignoring other media's liberal bias.

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

hahahahah!!

"He is a libertarian, which always puts a different point of view on things than others. Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers"

Really? I think it would serve you well to remove the "?highlight=liberal" from your URL bar if its in there. You seem to be honed in on one thing, and its causing you to miss the context of the actual posts.

[Slutboat]

Forget about the Libertarian part - this is one of the most ridiculous things I have EVER seen posted on GFY:
"Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers"

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Forget about the Libertarian part - this is one of the most ridiculous things I have EVER seen posted on GFY:
"Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers"

I'm going on a hunch here, but I'm pretty sure what he meant wasnt as ridiculous as he articulated.

He structured that statement completely wrong. He was trying to point out that Fox has both conservative and liberal contributers, and thats why he likes to watch it. Because of the multiple viewpoints. Not solely because of the liberal contributers.

Edit: Or I could be misunderstanding him completely too, you could describe Libertarians loosely as "fiscally conservative, socially liberal".

They are pro-choice, pro-gay marraige. Conservatives usually cringe at the thought of those two.

But they are also fiscally conservative, they wont spend taxpayer money on welfare or entitlement programs. Something liberals think is a cold and inhumane policy.

But for that, I wouldnt call a Libertarian liberal.

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by Napolean

I'm going on a hunch here, but I'm pretty sure what he meant wasnt as ridiculous as he articulated.

He structured that statement completely wrong. He was trying to point out that Fox has both conservative and liberal contributers, and thats why he likes to watch it. Because of the multiple viewpoints. Not solely because of the liberal contributers.

I UNDERSTAND THAT - It's absolutely UNTRUE


There are ZERO balanced viewpoints on FAUX - its 100 percent PURE FEAR AND SMEAR...

It's DAMAGING this country... FUK FOX!

[Slutboat]

VENDZILLA - Heres a suggestion - start a thread asking people if they agree with you that FOX is a real news channel...with "Fair and Balanced" viewpoints... Or start a poll...your beloved station will be destroyed.

[Vendzilla]

And the grammar police once again foil the happy pursuits of common banter, sitting in a corner with his mighty keyboard, SlutBoat stands steady, proud, all knowing, ready to pounce on the first conservative that misspells a 4 syllable word or grammatically in-completes a sentence while uploading a video or editing text on a piece of PHP. This is the mission of the mighty and all knowing SlutBoat, raised by teacher of fine cheese making and still believing that GM paid back there bail out money, has a picture of Obama in his wallet, where SlutBoat used a Sharpie to write "From Barry with Love"


I really shouldn't write stuff when I get high, but it sounds funny when you use an announcer voice

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I UNDERSTAND THAT - It's absolutely UNTRUE


There are ZERO balanced viewpoints on FAUX - its 100 percent PURE FEAR AND SMEAR...

It's DAMAGING this country... FUK FOX!

Thats a strong statement, and the same thing could be said about MSNBC.

But the fact is, neither is 100 percent [left/right] propaganda. There are multiple viewpoints and good arguments made for both sides on both news channels.

Where your getting bent out of shape is that they do primarily swing to the right. I havent watched a lot of MSNBC, but I have peeked in at 5:00 PM to see the difference, and what I saw was the equivilant to a democratic Hannity.

The only people I like on Fox are Beck and Stossel. I have a few issues with Beck but I agree with everything Ive heard from Stossel.

Have you watched these two? Or have you only seen the other guys?

And while were at it, who should I look for on MSNBC if I want to get multiple and fair viewpoints for both conservative and liberals?

Edit: One more thing, no news station can damage the country. Its up to the people themselves to decide for themselves what is right and wrong.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Napolean

The same things could be said about MSNBC, and even Comedy Central. (100 percent PURE Democratic/Obama Propaganda)

I cant disagree that there are a lot of shows on Fox that are blatantly biased, and I dont watch those either. It's even more annoying when I see a bunch of people on Fox hopping on the "Libertarian" band wagon one week, and railing against things like gay marraige the next.

Your not proving a point by pointing out Fox's conservative bias while blatantly ignoring other media's liberal bias.

I tried to watch Chris Mathews show this morning. I could only get through 15 mins of it. He confessed he was swept away by Obama. Then he had a panel discussing what was wrong with people and why people do not like Obama. Not once did the mention that people dont like him because of his completely failed policies but rather the people are to stupid and Obama just needs to sell his agenda better.

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

VENDZILLA - Heres a suggestion - start a thread asking people if they agree with you that FOX is a real news channel...with "Fair and Balanced" viewpoints... Or start a poll...your beloved station will be destroyed.

How did I already know you would have to come in and start your liberal shit? Its the same shit from you in every political thread. Your a bigger crybaby than all the other crybabies combined!.

September 23, 2010
Total Viewers: (Live +SD)
* Total day: FNC: 1.342 | MSNBC: 428 | CNN: 412 | HLN: 275
* Primetime: FNC: 2.285 | MSNBC: 886 | CNN: 633 | HLN: 444


Let me guess, The liberals dont get metered or have diaries... Thats why FOX has over twice the viewers, in all day parts than your beloved MSNBC has or will ever have.

And Rachel Maddow is not going to fuck you.. Or blow you... Now go back to working the fries machine...

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

And the grammar police once again foil the happy pursuits of common banter, sitting in a corner with his mighty keyboard, SlutBoat stands steady, proud, all knowing, ready to pounce on the first conservative that misspells a 4 syllable word or grammatically in-completes a sentence while uploading a video or editing text on a piece of PHP. This is the mission of the mighty and all knowing SlutBoat, raised by teacher of fine cheese making and still believing that GM paid back there bail out money, has a picture of Obama in his wallet, where SlutBoat used a Sharpie to write "From Barry with Love"


I really shouldn't write stuff when I get high, but it sounds funny when you use an announcer voice

That was great.. and so true.

[mozadek]

The liberal contributors are on fox news so they can be yelled at, berated and lose the argument. Giving idiots the impression that Fox is fair and balanced because both sides of the argument is shown.

[mynameisjim]

When I was a kid I enjoyed watching him because of his devil's advocate style.

But he has since become a total fraud and it has nothing to do with being on Fox or any political slant. Do a search for John Stossel and you'll find he made several reports in which he claimed to have performed polls or tests and he never really did. He just made up the numbers. He also claimed to have sent certain materials to a lab for testing, which he never did. He didn't just fudge the numbers, or use questionable sources, he flat out made stuff up.

He publicly admitted that all the allegations were true and apologized.

To me, if you do that even once as a journalist, you have lost all credibility. The guy is a fraud.

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by mozadek

The liberal contributors are on fox news so they can be yelled at, berated and lose the argument. Giving idiots the impression that Fox is fair and balanced because both sides of the argument is shown.

Again, this doesnt happen on every show on Fox, and is not specific to just Fox. This happens on all news channels.

[spazlabz]

I have a confession to make: I do not watch Fox News.... there I said it. I have watched Fox news in the past, I was a regular viewer as a matter of fact until the invasion of Iraq. It was at that point that I began changing the way I viewed the world and politics. I still watched Fox News after that of course, but much less

then came the Patriot Act and within a few months I had gone from what I labeled myself a 'Moderate Republican' to what I now consider myself to me a 'Moderate Democrat'. Although I think I may have slipped into the realm of full on socialist nut job by anyone who considers themselves a 'conservative', 'fiscal conservative' and most definitely by anyone who considers themselves a member of or sympathetic to the Tea Party...

I HAVE watched Fox News in bits and pieces, as much as I can stomach in recent months, but only for a few laughs. Unfortunately the laughs turn sour quicker and quicker.

My son recently told me a saying one of his teachers told him when he was in grade school (he is now in college) it was this: If you are a republican you can't have a heart, if your a democrat you can't have a brain.

I will add to that: if you're style of debate is name calling and hurling insults, then you can't have an intellect.

Of course that will only bother the democrats amongst us since having an intellect has been widely held by the right as being Elitist and bad mmmmmmmkay

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I have a confession to make: I do not watch Fox News.... there I said it. I have watched Fox news in the past, I was a regular viewer as a matter of fact until the invasion of Iraq. It was at that point that I began changing the way I viewed the world and politics. I still watched Fox News after that of course, but much less

then came the Patriot Act and within a few months I had gone from what I labeled myself a 'Moderate Republican' to what I now consider myself to me a 'Moderate Democrat'. Although I think I may have slipped into the realm of full on socialist nut job by anyone who considers themselves a 'conservative', 'fiscal conservative' and most definitely by anyone who considers themselves a member of or sympathetic to the Tea Party...

I HAVE watched Fox News in bits and pieces, as much as I can stomach in recent months, but only for a few laughs. Unfortunately the laughs turn sour quicker and quicker.

My son recently told me a saying one of his teachers told him when he was in grade school (he is now in college) it was this: If you are a republican you can't have a heart, if your a democrat you can't have a brain.

I will add to that: if you're style of debate is name calling and hurling insults, then you can't have an intellect.

Of course that will only bother the democrats amongst us since having an intellect has been widely held by the right as being Elitist and bad mmmmmmmkay

Very well said, LMAO

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Forget about the Libertarian part - this is one of the most ridiculous things I have EVER seen posted on GFY:
"Thats why I like watching Fox, they have a lot of liberal contributers"

If you don't actually watch FNC or FBN then how can you accurately comment on who at either of the networks is a Democrat and/or Liberal?

[Frisky Cash]

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

I have a confession to make: I do not watch Fox News.... there I said it. I have watched Fox news in the past, I was a regular viewer as a matter of fact until the invasion of Iraq. It was at that point that I began changing the way I viewed the world and politics. I still watched Fox News after that of course, but much less

then came the Patriot Act and within a few months I had gone from what I labeled myself a 'Moderate Republican' to what I now consider myself to me a 'Moderate Democrat'. Although I think I may have slipped into the realm of full on socialist nut job by anyone who considers themselves a 'conservative', 'fiscal conservative' and most definitely by anyone who considers themselves a member of or sympathetic to the Tea Party...

I HAVE watched Fox News in bits and pieces, as much as I can stomach in recent months, but only for a few laughs. Unfortunately the laughs turn sour quicker and quicker.

My son recently told me a saying one of his teachers told him when he was in grade school (he is now in college) it was this: If you are a republican you can't have a heart, if your a democrat you can't have a brain.

I will add to that: if you're style of debate is name calling and hurling insults, then you can't have an intellect.

Of course that will only bother the democrats amongst us since having an intellect has been widely held by the right as being Elitist and bad mmmmmmmkay

What should the role of government be in your opinion?

One of the most important things to me is individual sovereignty, the things you talked about that swayed you from the republican side are also things that bothered me and actually pushed me further to the right. (Absolute right would be anarchy, absolute left would be totalitarianism)

I beleive the government should enforce individual rights, and as far as law enforcement goes, anything that someone else does that violates anothers rights is what should be considered illegal and enforced. (What you do in the privacy of your own home does not concern me, get high if you want, just dont go out for a joyride after)

I also think that most things people consider the governments job could be run better by private individuals and business.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Napolean

What should the role of government be in your opinion?

One of the most important things to me is individual sovereignty, the things you talked about that swayed you from the republican side are also things that bothered me and actually pushed me further to the right. (Absolute right would be anarchy, absolute left would be totalitarianism)

I beleive the government should enforce individual rights, and as far as law enforcement goes, anything that someone else does that violates anothers rights is what should be considered illegal and enforced. (What you do in the privacy of your own home does not concern me, get high if you want, just dont go out for a joyride after)

I also think that most things people consider the governments job could be run better by private individuals and business.

You mean like how the constitution states?

[Napolean]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You mean like how the constitution states?

Exactly

[Brujah]

Is Stossel different on Fox News than he was prior?

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Is Stossel different on Fox News than he was prior?

His real show is on FBN and is much better than what his shows where on ABC, along with fellow Libertarian Andrew Napolitano they are two of my favorite shows.

[icymelon]

I try to avoid fox news out of principle. Figure the less people watching the less money they make. maybe one day they will go away.

[Slutboat]

half the stories are trumped up by FOX and are non-existent on any other station. Meaning they pick some little event or angle and
BLOW IT UP AS IF IT WERE REAL NEWS

[slavdogg]

this is interesting, Fox has more viewers than every other news channel COMBINED

Cable News Ratings for Thursday, September 23, 2010
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,177,000 viewers
CNN – 375,000 viewers
MSNBC – 401,000 viewers
CNBC – 165,000 viewers
HLN – 259,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,285,000 viewers
CNN – 633,000 viewers
MSNBC –886,000 viewers
CNBC – 163,000 viewers
HLN – 444,000 viewers

25-54 Total Day
FNC –299,000 viewers
CNN –110,000 viewers
MSNBC –123,000 viewers
CNBC – 54,000 viewers
HLN – 109,000 viewers

25-54 Prime Time
FNC – 574,000 viewers
CNN – 163,000 viewers
MSNBC –251,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch with 50,000 viewers
HLN – 166,000 viewers

35-64 Total Day
FNC – 555,000 viewers
CNN – 165,000 viewers
MSNBC – 193,000 viewers
CNBC – 89,000 viewers
HLN – 131,000 viewers

35-64 Prime Time
FNC –1,070,000 viewers
CNN – 234,000 viewers
MSNBC –423,000 viewers
CNBC – 80,000 viewers
HLN –225,000 viewers

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
FOX & Friends- 1,075,000 viewers (319,000) (576,000)
American Morning- 243,000 viewers (92,000) (128,000)
Morning Joe- 356,000 viewers (94,000) (182,000)
Squawk Box- 155,000 viewers (57,000) (102,000)
Morning Express w/ Meade- 297,000 viewers (142,000) (141,000)

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck – 1,839,000 viewers (484,000) (905,000)
Situation Room—558,000 viewers (162,000) (232,000)
Hardball w/ C. Matthews – 438,000 viewers (130,000) (202,000)
Fast Money – 192,000 viewers (73,000) (100,000)
Showbiz Tonight — 204,000 viewers (103,000) (126,000)

6PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Special Report w/ Bret Baier – 1,958,000 viewers (385,000) (734,000)
Situation Room—508,000 viewers (166,000) (243,000)
Ed Show —656,000 viewers (168,000) (335,000)
Mad Money — 160,000 viewers (58,000) (80,000)
Prime News – 193,000 viewers (89,000) (105,000)

7PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The Fox Report w/ Shep – 1,621,000 viewers (365,000) (727,000)
John King USA – 332,000 viewers (117,000) (166,000)
Hardball w/ C. Matthews – 658,000 viewers (201,000) (336,000)
Kudlow Report– 131,000 viewers (a scratch w/48,000) (61,000)
Issues – 392,000 viewers (181,000) (258,000)

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 3,201,000 viewers (737,000) (1,479,000)
Rick’s List –583,000 viewers (137,000) (187,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,032,000 viewers (282,000) (480,000)
Meeting Minds: Global Economy– 165,000 viewers (a scratch with 40,000) (95,000)
Nancy Grace – 593,000 viewers (211,000) (295,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity–2,026,000 viewers (515,000) (903,000)
Larry King Live —719,000 viewers (169,000) (249,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —987,000 viewers (257,000) (472,000)
Biography: Dave Thomas –140,000 viewers (a scratch with 38,000) (a scratch w/ 48,000)
Joy Behar – 462,000 viewers (168,000) (199,000)

10 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
On the Record w/ Greta—1,627,000 viewers (470,000) (826,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 — 595,000 viewers (181,000) (266,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 638,000 viewers (215,000) (316,000)
CNBC American Greed – 186,000 viewers (71,000) (97,000)
Nancy Grace –310,000 viewers (136,000) (201,000)

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 1,226,000 viewers (464,000) (682,000)
Anderson Cooper 360 – 406,000 viewers (176,000) (212,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —366,000 viewers (107,000) (156,000)
Mad Money – a scratch w/56,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 24,000) (a scratch w/33,000)
Showbiz Tonight– 290,000 viewers (122,000) (171,000)

[Slutboat]

[fatfoo]

The Gwar characters are scary. The way their skin looks is even worse than skin burns, skin cancer or pimples.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

half the stories are trumped up by FOX and are non-existent on any other station. Meaning they pick some little event or angle and
BLOW IT UP AS IF IT WERE REAL NEWS

name one

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

this is interesting, Fox has more viewers than every other news channel COMBINED

[numbers removed to save space]

My hunch is that it falls under the Howard Stern Ratings Method. People who hate him tune into him to see what he'll say or do next.

Fox is such a lightning rod, that those who hate it will tune in just to see what they're going to say or air next.

[slavdogg]

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions

My hunch is that it falls under the Howard Stern Ratings Method. People who hate him tune into him to see what he'll say or do next.

Fox is such a lightning rod, that those who hate it will tune in just to see what they're going to say or air next.

your hunch is wrong.
Those #s are from Neilson TV ratings.
The same data advertisers use.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Napolean

What should the role of government be in your opinion?

One of the most important things to me is individual sovereignty, the things you talked about that swayed you from the republican side are also things that bothered me and actually pushed me further to the right. (Absolute right would be anarchy, absolute left would be totalitarianism)

I beleive the government should enforce individual rights, and as far as law enforcement goes, anything that someone else does that violates anothers rights is what should be considered illegal and enforced. (What you do in the privacy of your own home does not concern me, get high if you want, just dont go out for a joyride after)

I also think that most things people consider the governments job could be run better by private individuals and business.

I think that the government is of, by and for the people. It should be a cowardly slave to the will of the people. It should protect and help them. It should do everything in it's power, the power granted to them by the people, to make sure they are safe and secure in good times and in bad.

Some of the things that I think the government should be doing but are not due to special interests are;

Protect the individual liberties and freedoms of American citizens without intentionally and for no good reason inducing paralyzing fear in the masses to make money

They should regulate those business sectors that have a real impact on the economy, the environment or the well being and health of the population.

They should protect American jobs and help to raise the standard of living in the US while avoiding isolationism.

They should make a good education a right of it's citizens if they meet certain minimum criteria

The should make health care available for all citizens

(a healthy, financially secure, well educated individual of voting age scares the fuck out of career politicians).

They should make a Constitutional Amendment that overturns the view that a corporation has the same rights when it comes to campaign financing as an individual has

They should respect an individuals privacy.

But above all else, the one thing that I can write that trumps anything else I could possibly say: The government needs to work together in a respectful way to come to compromises that will work for the benefit of the American people both rich and poor alike.

The American people by and large of all classes have become some of the most ignorant humans on the face of the planet. We pick sides and fight like hell and most times it is actually against our own best interest just so we can have had the fight and hopefully been on the winning side.

The ONLY side any of us should be on is the side of 98% of the people who live here. That is not going to happen; people pick things that are important to them, identify the party that 'feels their pain' and roots for them in all things that they do.

Blind
Stupid
Uninformed Loyalty that will cost them dearly in the long run. But the great thing about us Americans is we won't be able to see it. Nope, we WON...and that's all that matters