Dude... the fact that you are saying one in 25 people here know what you are talking about says it all.
Sure, you might know how to achieve high rankings. However, you'll be competing against <b>many</b> people that also know their shit, some of which have been studying Google for years. Add to that the fact that Google occasionally changes it's ranking criteria slightly, and you'll note that what you are saying doesn't hold up.

A top 3 position in a very good keyword means beating dozens, or even hundreds of SEO experts. Not just knowing how Google works, but knowing it better than anyone else.

Wouldn't be payin anything up front..
I just threw out an offer..
If he can put it on top and keep it there, we both win.. if not.. no big loss..

It's funny to see some of the SE promotion sites promising top listings, yet they have a "paid" listing to be on top, or over in the right column on Google.. or they're no. 50 in the list..

I have a silly little gallery with like 6 words on the page that's in the top 10 on Yahoo and Google. and 2 other sites that I threw together in a few minutes that are also in the top 10..
Doesn't take all of this optimization that people seem to think is all that crucial..

Wait.. I don't get it.. why would I need you in the above situation?

What are you doing for your 50% of what the sponsor would pay us :1orglaugh

goBigtime hit me up on icq please (Not related to this subject).

For all of the haters out there, seems to me that this guy offers to negotiate to a win/win situation.
If he cant do it (so the fuck what) what does it mean to you? Nothing
So go cry somewhere else :1orglaugh

What you all aren't understanding here is the most important part of the equation. And that part is the part the seperates all of these people who are "in the know" with the way google works from each other.

If your really interested in this stuff.. just do what I said and write the shit down. Write it ALL down, and look at it closely against 5-10 different keywords or phrases.

After you do that you will have much more knowledge in this matter.

It might take you a few hours to do that.. but I would think it would be worth it to understand what was really going on here today.

Well.. I provide the domain, pay for the bandwidth, maintain the site as needed...
You do the optimizing..

You're out a little work.. I'm out a little work and some bucks..

Like I said .. I just threw out the offer.. and it appears as though it's the only one ya got..

Don't look for anyone to pay up front for somethin you say you can do, yet have provided no proof..

Have you even done it yet with any site? or just think you're able to because you think you have it figured out?

Maybe so Joe.. Maybe so.

I'm really burnt out from the 50 flames or whatever I responded to all day. I may not be reading things fully now either :winkwink:

I'm very curious as to which keywords/keyphrases GoBigTime thinks he can get a #1 listing on google

Any.






Name one.. I'll tell you how hard it would be.

ARGH!!!!
YOU BLOODY MORON!!!!

Ehm...sorry about that. I meant it though.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, you aren't the only one who has thought of "taking notes"?

Has it ever occurred to you that some people have custom-written software that checks rankings for tons of keywords 24/7/265 and gathers data on every single possible factor, including - but not limited to - pagerank, metatags, normal text, bold text, strong text, colored text, small text, alt images, h* tags, titles, position of text in the html, position of text on the page, occurances of keyword-related words, number of pages on a domain, pageranks of linking sites, relevance to the keywords in question on linking sites, kinds of links on linking sites, positioning of links on linking sites, hosts of linking sites, IP-ranges of linking sites, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera?

Has it ever occurred to you that stats are being made on all those factors (hundreds of them), and combined, etc?

Has it ever occurred to you that some people may actually be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on this, and have been doing that for years now, trying to calculate the exact relevance of every fucking factor in question? Not just "taking notes", but using extensive software running on dozens of servers to gather and analyze data concerning thousands of keywords and sites.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, your week of searching and taking notes may have uncovered "slightly" less info than all of this?

Jeez... you must really be the biggest moron on GFY.

sex
porn
xxx
casino

any of these

If you can pull this off, DAYUM!!!!

edited to add "casino"

One of us must be :)

I wonder if its the one who is going crazy with the overkill google tracking. Really man... your going way overboard with all that. Taking notes is good, and watching the algos for pagerank and stuff is good too. But with google... oh no here it comes, another revelation... the most important thing now is is..is.. cmon, figure it out!

Look, if your goal is to cheat your way to the top by interlinking pages and creating doors... well then your in another arena completely. I have not for a second claimed that THIS method has anything to do with any fraudulent attempts to work positions.
In fact it's been the opposite the whole time.

What you need are IDEAS. Fresh IDEAS.

If your an idea man, then #1 positioning for a few select keywords is no big deal.


For the record I advised people to take notes and do their homework so that they could at least be on the same playing field as this discussion. There are people in here talking shit and caling me a LIAR and saying SCAM! who honestly don't have a clue about google... so THAT recomendation was put in place to help them so they could follow along with the conversation here :)

But yeah, I know there are plenty of SE guys that go absolutely NUTS trying to figure out ways to scam the engines into giving them placement. The engines catch on to the scams & change the algo... leaving the LEGITIMATE placements behind to once again sit on their rightful top positions.

goBigtime,

you seem full of shit, or really really stupid.

Either you know nothing about google and you're just trying to get someone to prepay you...

IF you really know how to get #1 spots on most keywords. why the fuck don't you just go ahead and do it yourself???
IF you know how to do this, why the fuck are you giving hints to other people (competition)?

Scam or retarded (or Mother Theresa...)

Actually there is a way to get a #1 Google spot fairly quickly and cheaply.

I did it once by accident for the keyword "hooker"... I'm doing on some better keywords right now to see how the method works.

The key is knowing how Google's Fresh listings work and what Google decides is news not an archive.


(And anyone trying to sell good rankings is full of SHIT because you could make more money doing it yourself.)

How Google works: it takes 100+ factors which it weighs against eachother to determine relevance.
If your site isn't relevant, you have very little chance of getting good listings in good keywords. If you scam, you do have a chance, but it will most likely lead to getting banned.
There is not one single factor which determines your listings. That's why being an "idea man" has very little to do with it.

The whole point is to make a relevant site which satisfies as many factors as possible.

Determining the weight of those factors, "reverse engineering Google" as you call it, really isn't as simple as you might think. Even though determining the factors is rather easy, it is a lot harder to determine the exact weight, especially since that often changes, in order to keep the exact algo hidden.

Check it out.

I have already withdrawn my offer to do any SE work with people.. its just not being very well accepted. So let me just state once more....

PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PAY ME FOR SEO STUFF.....

I don't want or need your money for this service.
I will not take it if you offer me $50,000 to bump a single keyword (ah well I AM lying now.. I would probably get off my ass and do it for $50g's -- BUT NOT A PENNY LESS!!!) :1orglaugh

That being said.... (again)....

Like I said in a few other posts.. I don't look at it as competition as much as I look at it as good business.

Why? (I've said this a few times now too) There are plenty of keywords, phrases and niches to go around... for the people that are actually thinking about this thread and learning something. Trust me.. that will be a small amount of people.

How many people who originally flamed me broke out a paper and a pen (or notepad or your favorite editor) and took some basic notes on the top rankings - say top 5 positions for your desired keywords/phrases?

Whoever you are.. I bet you didn't do it yet. But at the same time your just itching to hit that "QUOTE" button so you can take your shot and put in your :2 cents: about how phoney this is and how little I understand this .... yet I'm sitting here telling you HALF of it and your not even trying to educate yourself.

Those who do know (and are probably wanting to silence me about now :1orglaugh ) know that I have also dropped a note or two on the second half.. the HARD part.. the WORK part.

Just take the notes.. study what you see. Stop trying to look at it from a scammers point of view and look at it from the point of view of someone legitimately getting top placements and then figure out ways that you could do a little better than the first couple listings.

http://members.aol.com/dailytel/truthout.gif

Ok.. now that's PLENTY.

School is now officially out my good brothers and sisters.

If you haven't figure it out from here, rather than getting all angry hitting the quote button and flaming me up... send the link of this thread to your smartest friend & ask them for assistance.

Maybe you do know how to work Google.
Just makes it even more frightening that you'd tell OR sell that info to competitive webmasters.

Seems more and more like a 'look-at-me' thread.

Perhaps it is. (See Sig)

BigtimeBandwidth - Home of the happiest googlin' clients on the web? :1orglaugh

Aww maybe if they are lucky.

But I guarantee you that school is over for this thread. Man.. try to teach people how to fish and they beat you with fishing poles and fit you with cement shoes.

But your wrong punkworld.... google doesnt flip algos for "fairness" or for everyone to get an equal chance at the top position. They flip algos to weed out the scammers & keep them on their toes. They refine it a lot.. but for the most part its to throw the spammers/scammers for a loop (changing of the algo.)

I've said quite a few times (maybe from the start even?) that this isn't about scamming or spamming the engine, or doing things that would get you banned, I don't know why everyone wants to keep suggesting this. When you start looking at font colors and trying to find every possible variable and stuff like that... your playing more with page rank, which helps determine relevence & like said before in this thread.. pagerank is overrated. Pagerank is a scale fom 0-10 no? Google is indexing 3,083,324,652 pages... sort of blows that 0-10 scale out of the water. You want to be in a position to where pagerank for your site (so long as its avg) is irrelevent.

If you had done your homework & looked around you would ahve seen that there are tons of sites out there in top positions with lower pageranks than the listings BELOW them. Pagerank does have a few other very important jobs though... but if your doing yours right and making sure your pages all have avg pagerank, you'll be ok.

big-time-

I'd like to talk to you about some work, hook me up with your email/icq

ICQ: 1-5-0-9-0/8-3-8-7 (minus the -'s and /)

And remember the new $50k rule :)

J/k.. but the more I think about it now, the more I think I should probably refrain from doing any SE work with anyone like this.
SE stuff isn't even our specialty.. or what we are going to be doing in this industry. Hosting is.

Someone posted something about trying to sell a adult design domain for $12,000 with a few site templates on it (it was pseudo-turnkey business I spose.. but.. uh?? 12K?) but he backed up the pricing with the whole SE ranking stuff.. #7 on google... made me :1orglaugh, because I know how easy it would be to snag that #1 if I was determined to get it... if #7 is worth $12k, then #1 would be worth what? --- and that was my question & original thought for starting this thread... was more wondering about the SEO industry than trying to spam some service... if anything I wanted to mess around with someone BIG who would reward me nicely for getting him the positions he wanted. But instead people started right out the gate talking trash and suggesting I'm a crook. Oh well.

Soon enough people will know otherwise :winkwink:

I just go into defensive mode when people start talking trash to me & saying I don't know what I'm talking about when I do. Anyway, I hope I didn't offend anyone too deeply today. And if I did I sure didn't mean too :)

And NotJoe... that doesnt apply to you... you and I are boxin as soon as I get ahold of Don King to hook it up. :1orglaugh


oh and )100!

My first thread that got to 100 posts.. should I be proud? lol

So that is a "no". You have no #1 rankings for competitive keywords. You read a board, you looked at a few #1 listings and you think you know how.

Those who can work the SE's do, those who can't, read SE forums and call themselves SEO's.

No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.
Beware of SEO's that claim to guarantee rankings, or that claim a "special relationship" with Google, or that claim to have a "priority submit" to Google. There is no priority submit for Google. In fact, the only way to submit a site to Google directly is by using the page at http://www.google.com/addurl.html. You can do this yourself at no cost whatsoever.

Be careful if a company is secretive or won't clearly explain what they intend to do.
Ask for explanations if something is unclear. If an SEO creates deceptive or misleading content on your behalf, such as doorway pages or "throwaway" domains, your site could be removed entirely from Google's index. Ultimately, you are responsible for the actions of any companies you hire, so it's best to be sure you know exactly how they intend to "help" you.

You should never have to link to an SEO.
Avoid SEOs that talk about the power of "free-for-all" links, link popularity schemes, or submitting your site to thousands of search engines. These are typically useless exercises that do not affect your ranking in the results of the major search engines. At least, not in a way you would likely consider to be positive.

Some SEOs may try to sell you the ability to type keywords directly into the browser address bar.
Most such proposals require users to install extra software, and very few users do so. Evaluate such proposals with extreme care and be skeptical about the self-reported number of users who have downloaded the required applications.

goBigtime, i hope you're not using last technique from the described above :thumbsup

source: http://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html

EDIT: http://www.google.com/addurl.html w/o "." at the end :)

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Just think BigTime.. You got your first 100 post thread, made $0 dollars, and completely ruined any reputation you may have thought you had while you sleep.

Congratufuckinglatiions brother!

btw, I know how to make people fly. I watched a bird, read a few books on birds, and it can be done. Of course, I've never flown myself, but that's besides the point.

If anyone here wants to know how to fly based on what I think, hit me up. You'll never need your car again.

goBigtime, how about high ranking all graphix and/or all flash site at the top position on google? won't use text :Graucho

hehehe-

This thread is hilarious...if someone knew how to get a number one ranking, why wouldn' you just optimize a site for every imaginable keyword phrase and make more money than you can stack?

I read alot, especially Danny Sullivans suff, and work hard at trying to stay current. The fact is that googles algorhythm changes dramatically from month to month.

Example- two months ago my TGP was #10 under thumbnail gallery posts....I had worked pretty hard tweeking it and gotten some good results...today, and I haven' done anything but add galleries, it is in google hell....I can't find it in the top 1000...

PR is one of more than fifty weighted variables in the google algothythm which changes at very regular intervals.

They have developed some pretty sophisticated methods for detecting cloaking scripts...so you are left with trying to analyze the top listings and develop some mathematical correlations that might be useful.

GRSeo, which is a great company for learning and dowloading algorythms, got booted out of google for cloaking.

It isn't hard to get a top 100 ranking if you are pretty competant SEO person, but I would bet a that getting a 1-10 ranking under a real term, say "asian porn" is nothing but a pipedream. Allot of the really good ranking that I have I got by accident on a keyword I wasn't even optimizing for. Also, time the site has been up on the web with the same IP number is one of the variables. You are not going to plop your ass in the number one spot on a productive keyword in a month. Unless you pick a term like "midget basket weaving"

Read the thread... we've gone over this already.



But just for fun.... we'll bring it all back downhill now and try to squeeze out another 100 posts... Yes! Caught me fatPad.
I made all up completely. I haven't a clue. What is google?

Sorry for wasting everyones time.

What's to expose?

I asked if you actually had any #1 rankings for competitive keywords.

You told me you reverse engineered a few listings, read a few forums.

Basically, you're selling something you don't know if you can do.

Any retard can read a google forum and look at #1 ranked sites. Stop trying to scam newbies and go get a #1 ranking before you try selling your ability to get #1 rankings.

yeah, i read all of his stuff for years.

and of course, if you could get all the number 1 listings, you'd be making truly insane money, and would not be talking about it here. duh. any other business you had would be taking a very quick backseat lol.

Nope. It's none of that. It's all in the thread.

But I'm not telling anyone the other half of it all... so until I do it myself (and it takes ~2-3 months to get listed) I'll have no proof.

So flame away if thats appropriate.

Quiet - would it? I've never really expierienced SE traffic. I have a friend that used to make a mint off Yahoo. But I guess one of the reasons I was dancing on the edge of sharing it all is because I have no idea how good the traffic is. I've HEARD its the best...

Maybe I'll mess with. I probably could have got a couple good 2 word phrases in the works today instead of posting all this.

Anyway the Hosting thing we are working on is a big project for us, I would rather do this than mess around with paysites, content & processors these days.

But again... I am not offering ANY services here anymore. I give up, I gave the people reading this thread soooo much information its probably making some of the guys that work google positioning sick just thinking about it.

I'm sure this thread gave birth to at least a couple ideas for newbie googlers.

FatPAD. Look.. I'm not trying to SCAM anyone.

I AM NOT OFFERING ANY SEO SERVICES - :321GFY

I would think Any retard could also have read that I have said this numerous times already. Rather than hoarding all of the information, I have given MANY clues to newbies. If you have not been able to figure it out, I understand why you might be upset.

But don't just sit and talk trash about me or my business ethics when you really don't know where I'm coming from with this.

If I would have done ANYTHING with anyone on this (which I absolutely will NOT now) then it would have been with someone that I felt was an honest, larger player in the industry... and I would have setup my own site using the keywords that the person wanted to target & then send the traffic over to him on some monthly payment deal.. I'm talking like it would have been ONE person for an expierment.

I still might do something like that in fact... with someone we all know and love, but that would be the only person at this point.

Anyone who really read the thread and is master at LEGIT positioning knows I know what I'm talking about here. Think about it... SOMEBODY has #1, 2 and 3 positions at google... do you think it was on accident that they got those spots? Some fluke due to the latest algo flip? :1orglaugh Cmon.

The bottom line is some people know how to LEGITIMATELY work google and some dont. I understand that I can't "officially" say that I am a person who can work google & the only reason for that is because I havent touched it yet. But knowing what I know about it and spending the amount of time that I have RESEARCHING and taking notes on the subject, and developing the ways I would go about getting the positioning, I personally know I can.

And this is making everyone :feels-hot :feels-hot MAD AS HELL for some reason. Despite that fact that I've damn near given everyone everything but the traffic itself.

Naaaaaah it'll work out nice Socks you'll see :thumbsup

Huh?

Oh boy - don't you love the way this guy goes for the sympathy vote and turns himself into a martyr.

He keeps talking about getting flamed and abused - heck I'd hate to see how he would react if someone really did turn the blowtorch on him.

The fact is that several of us have challenged him about where his listings sit and he's avoided the question everytime.

One good thing has come out of the thread for my partner and me though. We actually went and had a look at some of the keywords we target for lesser terms and found we have more page one listings than we thought :)

BTW Fatpad I'm paypalling your the money for my first flying lesson - I've got more faith in you than I have in this search engine guru - anyone who lives thousands of miles from me and can still manage to interupt my sex life must have a clue about something.

LOL

This is what's funny about this thread. :) You're trying to act as if you know how to do it, when you don't. You haven't done it yet. This is why everyone is making fun of you.

"I CAN GET #1 RANKINGS ON GOOGLE!"

"Have you ever done it?"

"No....but I read a bunch of stuff, did some research, checked out some #1 ranked sites...I know I can do that, too".

You're trying to sound like an expert in something you have never done.

You're one of those people who watches Tiger Woods golf and think it's easy or watched Michael Jordan dunk and think you can do it, too, aren't you?

Stop trying to sound like an expert in something you know zilch about and people will stop flaming you on your own thread.

HAHAHA

Someone mentioned this already... this was a BAAAAD thread to start. Initially I was thinking I would work with someone and mess around with google a little for a few days, secure some positions to be posted in the next update or two and get back to my own projects....

Then I get all the crazy :feels-hot :feels-hot :feels-hot flames and personal attacks and stuff... so I say fuckit.

Now, I feel stupid because I have to defend myself here and in doing so its coming off as "I can do this and you cant & I'm not doing it for nobody now - NYAH!" And that's not at all what I inititally intended.

It's just hard for me to sit back and take it when someone sais "Your a retard bigtime! You don't know shit"

So heres another plan I guess... show me your positioning.

Tell me why/where anything I have said is inaccurate and does not apply for top google ranking, and SHOW us yours.....

The funny thing is after going through this thread today... I know for a damn fact I could dump the WHOLE THING, in a how-to text file on this thread, complete with various workable ideas of how to get the top positions.... and people would STILL complain just to complain because some wouldn't get it.