funkmaster

HOLY FUCKING SMOKE, have I just used the "quote" feature ??

SquarePants

Copied from a different post I did on this

We deal with an SEO firm that works with Fortune 500 clients and small guys. We had them do a seminar at a local university small business function.

The one thing he said over and over was "Content Is King" and any company that says they will get a #1 ranking for your company is a liar. They may be able to get rank on 3-4 word key phrases but a 1-2 word is next to impossible without cheating, and when caught you are screwed. Home Depot used doorway pages a few years back and Google buted their chops for about 6 months.

A peson needs to do a keyword analysis and take those 2 keyword terms and add 1-2 more deeper search terms and then make their page relevant and have the keyword content, title and subject headings (H1 tags) and then slowly start working your pages to rank.

They will tell us and our non Adult clients that it may take 3-6 months to get on page 1 or 2. Also even if you are # 1 you are never going to hold rank. Google looks for changes to keep rank and the big thing is that Google and the others are in business to provide a product people will trust and continue to use. People that mess with that are usually taught a lesson ie Blacklisted.

My Non-Adult 2 Cents Knowledge.

goBigtime

Actually that question was geared more toward anyone familiar with the ubercorporate "B2B" SEO industry....

like stuff you might find here http://www.seoconsultants.com/



I really should have anticipated all the negativity I would get from this post. I guess if you say something like this with 300+ posts it doesn't mean shit.

And for those of you thinking I'm claiming to be a magician saying "PRoof it! Make mydomain.com #1 right now and I'll believe you".. most people know that unless your taking over high PR domains, that it would take 30-60 days before you would see the listings.

goBigtime

We automatically reverse engineered a number of rankings/listings for a large number of keywords in order to verify that my ideas of how google works (which I picked up from about a week of reading on the web and in forums) held true across the board. They did and they do.

SquarePants

No I think you opened a little to strong on your choice of words.

web4x

Ahhhhhhh, now I know, goBigtime gets expired dmoz domains, that's the secret.

goBigtime

Luc.. I bet your glad your not in my position here

Woo I lit my own fire

I mean I just don't know what to say without giving it all away. And even if I did.. I think 8/10 these guys still couldn't do anything with it.

Trust me, for every 25 people that are bashing me there is one person that is at this thread because he/she knows just what I am talking about. It's pretty fucking simple -- legitimate google search enging positioning.

If you've been around awhile and have good innovative ideas, AND a good understanding of how google work (its fully documented on the web) then you would have no problem SECURING top positions on google - for any keyword you want. (Though some keywords phrases would be MUCH harder because of the amount of competition.. still I think ANY keyword could be taken over within a 6 months period, and most within 2-3)

goBigtime

Nope. But thanks for playing ;)

(Ho shit I sound like -=Hungryman=- here)

Dildozer

I spoke with GoBigTime a while back and he was telling me the same thing. He seems pretty confident he can do it and i mean if he leases the page, then you know the ranking will be there. Just make sure it isn't one with a date next to it those tend to go back down a little while after.

GoBigTime, show us what you can do i'm pretty curious about it

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goBigtime

Damn I'm getting tired now. Not going to be able to respond for much longer today...


You suggested I am a thief. That I am going to steal peoples money.


I never said anything about wanting the bling bling up front. What I said is that my time would be expensive. I would be open to discuss terms with interested and qualified people. Why do you think I suggested that I would be in control of the domain and the traffic.


And the thing about you reading something different than what I have been saying isn't surprising. (I never mentioned anything about email lists.)


Anyway I think I have a couple good plans for pR00fs!

I'm going to take a nap or go to sleep pretty soon, but I'll unviel them when I wake up if this thread is still alive.

goBigtime

Probably ~ same age as you, 28.

goBigtime

(lag on replies here.. there are sooooo many)

goBigtime

Damn Joe... is this personal or something? It's like you want to fight me

Once again you have refused to read before making a comment.

Did I say ANYTHING about pricing or pricing terms? I just kind of roughly threw the idea out there. What I did suggest is that I would take YOUR keyword, get top 3 position with it and then after the position is obtained I would sell you the traffic from that ranking.



I know I can do what I say, that's all that matters

Soon someone else in here will know it... I just need to find someone trustworthy to give a little tutorial to.

SpaceAce

Here's my take on all this: I think goBigtime thinks he can do it. I think he's worked out some sort of system or uncovered something he believes to be of great value for ranking high on Google. I also believe he is probably wrong. People have been fighting Google for years and I really doubt that goBigtime has anything new.

The #1 absolute and indisputable proof that he's wrong is in his own post, quoted above. If other people "know what you are talking about", than you can never guarantee #1 since you will be competig with other people who ALSO know how to get #1 rankings every time. Ony one person can be #1. That's why it's called #1.

Even without that, I think this will turn out to be a flop. If you can come up with some compelling proof, contact me. I'd certainly pay for this service.

SpaceAce

Brujah

I think we need to assassinate him, before he reveals too much.

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goBigtime

What sucks is I have plans to too....

but just to one person who can set the record straight.


Or maybe I should just take the flak as payment for starting a topic that I probaly shouldn't have in the first place - and move along.

People get maaaaaaaaaad when you claim you can do something like this with ease

They come out shouting THIEF! SCAM! CROOK! like its completely impossible and I should be drawn and quartered for even suggesting such a thing... but yet people have and hold #1 positions on google all day long.

It's not hard if you know how the shit works. It could just be a lot of work for certain keywords.

And for anyone that is still paying attention - PR is way overrated.

goBigtime

Wrong.

Like I said in another post.. there are literally tens of thousands of keywords and phrases for all the different niches. That's PLENTY of business to go around.

But what it comes down to in the end is who has the bigger & better idea for holding on to that #1 position. If one guy has to cheat to get ahead.. then it will be short lived anyway & in the end the legit guy is going to get more hang-time in that #1 spot.

I withdraw my offer to do SE work with anyone now (I'll still dig this thread back up later to show you guys the positions I obtain) but if I had done anything, I would be very fair about it. If a position dropped, I so would the price.. it would be all worked out beforehand.

But your still cool with me SpaceAce

notjoe

Here is a repost of something i said before..

Ok, so in one thread you say you can obtain #1 rankings for single keywords.

Now, in a different thread where superweb posted, and you said he was correct

"The one thing he said over and over was "Content Is King" and any company that says they will get a #1 ranking for your company is a liar. They may be able to get rank on 3-4 word key phrases but a 1-2 word is next to impossible without cheating, and when caught you are screwed. Home Depot used doorway pages a few years back and Google buted their chops for about 6 months. "

And you Said:
"Superweb you are absolutely right! And if NotJoe would READ a fucking post before he starts talking shit he would understand that I've been saying that it is NOT EASY, instantaneous, nor does it use any tricks or anything that will get you banned. It is hard work. But it is 100% doable for any keyword out there.

Now go back to the real thread (See above)"

Now let me note what superweb said again,

"They may be able to get rank on 3-4 word key phrases but a 1-2 word is next to impossible without cheating,".

Nuff said.

Joe

goBigtime

Nice way to cut my reply from one post and apply it to something else that was said

Keep on speculating Joe. But your wrong. Obviously 1-2 word keywords can be obtained without cheating. Have you bothered to do any searches and review the listings before posting this?

yys

Have you actually been able too acheive any #1 listings of your own or is this all based on the fact that you read some message boards and did a bit of research and THINK you've figured google's secrets out?

goBigtime

Ok I have to go to sleep for a bit... so I'm going to load everyone up with all the pieces to the puzzle. Now keep in mind, we took things a bit farther and ran some analysis on different aspects of this with scripts, but enough of the pieces are here:


### Note this is common knowledge among googlers:

First get yourself the google toolbar, because it will make all of this easier. Because the toolbar contains a quick link for you to check out cache, page rank & backlinks of a page.



Now pick your keyword or phrase...

Use "Sex" if you want (that should be a good example)


Look at positions, page rank, backlinks, cache (has the page changed? or is it stale and static?), # of times yoru keyword/phrase are in the source, domain & url, title... a few other things, but this is more than enough of whats important to lock in top positioning.

Write them down, take note of the patterns and significance of the different values & comparing notes between
the different keywords.

Once you have done this, then you have the right to start talking shit if you still want to

### If your lazy and you don't compare multiple keywords and you don't write the results down for each of the variables I mentioned.. you wont learn shit.

Soon you'll start to understand how it all works...

But even when you do, like I said, thats only half the battle.
Getting to the "Ahhhh I see" part is easy

Of course I'm not going to spoon feed you the whole thing & put ideas in your head about what you could/should do to get the positioning.

But now there is PLENTY on the table for those who are motivated enough to investigate what they have been talking shit about.

If you talk shit from this point on, please post the results of your notes from the assignment above... otherwise save your breath and GFY



** Note: This is all in fun people.. I hope your learning something here. If not... well.. Don't worry.



Theres still a place for you in the world.

yys

Wrong, once you have been able to achieve a #1 or even a #10 listing for a month or two then you can talk shit; otherwise your just a dreamer.

goBigtime

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You just couldn't help it huh?


Look.. I have MY notes & databases. I know what positions have been where for how long for which keywords.

I don't need to have #1 positions to know HOW to get them.

Trust me, I'll have the positions I want when I need them.. legitimately.

notjoe

Hey Asshole, I never CUT or Munged anything which was taken out of context.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=98747 is the URL where everything happened.

SuperWeb said, and i quote
"We deal with an SEO firm that works with Fortune 500 clients and small guys. We had them do a seminar at a local university small business function.

The one thing he said over and over was "Content Is King" and any company that says they will get a #1 ranking for your company is a liar. They may be able to get rank on 3-4 word key phrases but a 1-2 word is next to impossible without cheating, and when caught you are screwed. Home Depot used doorway pages a few years back and Google buted their chops for about 6 months.

A peson needs to do a keyword analysis and take those 2 keyword terms and add 1-2 more deeper search terms and then make their page relevant and have the keyword content, title and subject headings (H1 tags) and then slowly start working your pages to rank.

They will tell us and our non Adult clients that it may take 3-6 months to get on page 1 or 2. Also even if you are # 1 you are never going to hold rank. Google looks for changes to keep rank and the big thing is that Google and the others are in business to provide a product people will trust and continue to use. People that mess with that are usually taught a lesson ie Blacklisted.

My Non-Adult 2 Cents Knowledge.
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He then posted again agreeing with what he just posted since it was a quote and you agreed with him on it.

Scootermuze

Let's do this..

I have a domain that I haven't done much with..
I'll open an account with a nicely converting sponsor.. just for this domain..
You do the seo stuff for it and we split 50/50 whatever is made on that site..

notjoe

You better be prepaid to pay big bucks!!!!!

Quote
"But this is serious, I am 110% positive I can do this. I warn you though, it would take a nice chunk of money to pull me away from my current projects (current setting up our big hosting project). From what I understand SEO work isn't something you price hourly.. hehe. "

Nbritte

Well personally I dont know if you can do what you say or not. I know that I cant do it. So hit me up on ICQ and you can explain what you want to try (not how). If it is something I can deal with maybe we can give it a shot
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The Other Steve

Nice try - hinting that any one of us who questions you and who currently holds a page one listing has got it by unfair means.

Well cobber both my partner and I play by the rules, we always have and we have page one listings and have held those listings for months.

You on the other hand seem to be avoiding the question of just how many page one listings you really do have and that IMHO speaks volumes for your ability to achieve what you say you can.

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yys

Truer words have never been spoken by a man who THINKS he knows what he's doing.


BTW, $100/day for a number one listing on google for a keyword/phrase of your choice. I don't have the pages up yet but I know how to get them; 1 month's payment up front. Any takers?

Libertine

Dude... the fact that you are saying one in 25 people here know what you are talking about says it all.
Sure, you might know how to achieve high rankings. However, you'll be competing against <b>many</b> people that also know their shit, some of which have been studying Google for years. Add to that the fact that Google occasionally changes it's ranking criteria slightly, and you'll note that what you are saying doesn't hold up.

A top 3 position in a very good keyword means beating dozens, or even hundreds of SEO experts. Not just knowing how Google works, but knowing it better than anyone else.

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Scootermuze

Wouldn't be payin anything up front..
I just threw out an offer..
If he can put it on top and keep it there, we both win.. if not.. no big loss..

It's funny to see some of the SE promotion sites promising top listings, yet they have a "paid" listing to be on top, or over in the right column on Google.. or they're no. 50 in the list..

I have a silly little gallery with like 6 words on the page that's in the top 10 on Yahoo and Google. and 2 other sites that I threw together in a few minutes that are also in the top 10..
Doesn't take all of this optimization that people seem to think is all that crucial..

goBigtime

Wait.. I don't get it.. why would I need you in the above situation?

What are you doing for your 50% of what the sponsor would pay us

Loch

goBigtime hit me up on icq please (Not related to this subject).

For all of the haters out there, seems to me that this guy offers to negotiate to a win/win situation.
If he cant do it (so the fuck what) what does it mean to you? Nothing
So go cry somewhere else

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goBigtime

What you all aren't understanding here is the most important part of the equation. And that part is the part the seperates all of these people who are "in the know" with the way google works from each other.

If your really interested in this stuff.. just do what I said and write the shit down. Write it ALL down, and look at it closely against 5-10 different keywords or phrases.

After you do that you will have much more knowledge in this matter.

It might take you a few hours to do that.. but I would think it would be worth it to understand what was really going on here today.

Scootermuze

Well.. I provide the domain, pay for the bandwidth, maintain the site as needed...
You do the optimizing..

You're out a little work.. I'm out a little work and some bucks..

Like I said .. I just threw out the offer.. and it appears as though it's the only one ya got..

Don't look for anyone to pay up front for somethin you say you can do, yet have provided no proof..

Have you even done it yet with any site? or just think you're able to because you think you have it figured out?

goBigtime

Maybe so Joe.. Maybe so.

I'm really burnt out from the 50 flames or whatever I responded to all day. I may not be reading things fully now either

Dildozer

I'm very curious as to which keywords/keyphrases GoBigTime thinks he can get a #1 listing on google

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Any.






Name one.. I'll tell you how hard it would be.

Libertine

ARGH!!!!
YOU BLOODY MORON!!!!

Ehm...sorry about that. I meant it though.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, you aren't the only one who has thought of "taking notes"?

Has it ever occurred to you that some people have custom-written software that checks rankings for tons of keywords 24/7/265 and gathers data on every single possible factor, including - but not limited to - pagerank, metatags, normal text, bold text, strong text, colored text, small text, alt images, h* tags, titles, position of text in the html, position of text on the page, occurances of keyword-related words, number of pages on a domain, pageranks of linking sites, relevance to the keywords in question on linking sites, kinds of links on linking sites, positioning of links on linking sites, hosts of linking sites, IP-ranges of linking sites, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera?

Has it ever occurred to you that stats are being made on all those factors (hundreds of them), and combined, etc?

Has it ever occurred to you that some people may actually be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on this, and have been doing that for years now, trying to calculate the exact relevance of every fucking factor in question? Not just "taking notes", but using extensive software running on dozens of servers to gather and analyze data concerning thousands of keywords and sites.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, your week of searching and taking notes may have uncovered "slightly" less info than all of this?

Jeez... you must really be the biggest moron on GFY.

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Dildozer

sex
porn
xxx
casino

any of these

If you can pull this off, DAYUM!!!!

edited to add "casino"

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goBigtime

One of us must be

I wonder if its the one who is going crazy with the overkill google tracking. Really man... your going way overboard with all that. Taking notes is good, and watching the algos for pagerank and stuff is good too. But with google... oh no here it comes, another revelation... the most important thing now is is..is.. cmon, figure it out!

Look, if your goal is to cheat your way to the top by interlinking pages and creating doors... well then your in another arena completely. I have not for a second claimed that THIS method has anything to do with any fraudulent attempts to work positions.
In fact it's been the opposite the whole time.

What you need are IDEAS. Fresh IDEAS.

If your an idea man, then #1 positioning for a few select keywords is no big deal.


For the record I advised people to take notes and do their homework so that they could at least be on the same playing field as this discussion. There are people in here talking shit and caling me a LIAR and saying SCAM! who honestly don't have a clue about google... so THAT recomendation was put in place to help them so they could follow along with the conversation here

But yeah, I know there are plenty of SE guys that go absolutely NUTS trying to figure out ways to scam the engines into giving them placement. The engines catch on to the scams & change the algo... leaving the LEGITIMATE placements behind to once again sit on their rightful top positions.

Troels

goBigtime,

you seem full of shit, or really really stupid.

Either you know nothing about google and you're just trying to get someone to prepay you...

IF you really know how to get #1 spots on most keywords. why the fuck don't you just go ahead and do it yourself???
IF you know how to do this, why the fuck are you giving hints to other people (competition)?

Scam or retarded (or Mother Theresa...)

slackor

Actually there is a way to get a #1 Google spot fairly quickly and cheaply.

I did it once by accident for the keyword "hooker"... I'm doing on some better keywords right now to see how the method works.

The key is knowing how Google's Fresh listings work and what Google decides is news not an archive.


(And anyone trying to sell good rankings is full of SHIT because you could make more money doing it yourself.)

Libertine

How Google works: it takes 100+ factors which it weighs against eachother to determine relevance.
If your site isn't relevant, you have very little chance of getting good listings in good keywords. If you scam, you do have a chance, but it will most likely lead to getting banned.
There is not one single factor which determines your listings. That's why being an "idea man" has very little to do with it.

The whole point is to make a relevant site which satisfies as many factors as possible.

Determining the weight of those factors, "reverse engineering Google" as you call it, really isn't as simple as you might think. Even though determining the factors is rather easy, it is a lot harder to determine the exact weight, especially since that often changes, in order to keep the exact algo hidden.

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goBigtime

Check it out.

I have already withdrawn my offer to do any SE work with people.. its just not being very well accepted. So let me just state once more....

PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PAY ME FOR SEO STUFF.....

I don't want or need your money for this service.
I will not take it if you offer me $50,000 to bump a single keyword (ah well I AM lying now.. I would probably get off my ass and do it for $50g's -- BUT NOT A PENNY LESS!!!)

That being said.... (again)....

Like I said in a few other posts.. I don't look at it as competition as much as I look at it as good business.

Why? (I've said this a few times now too) There are plenty of keywords, phrases and niches to go around... for the people that are actually thinking about this thread and learning something. Trust me.. that will be a small amount of people.

How many people who originally flamed me broke out a paper and a pen (or notepad or your favorite editor) and took some basic notes on the top rankings - say top 5 positions for your desired keywords/phrases?

Whoever you are.. I bet you didn't do it yet. But at the same time your just itching to hit that "QUOTE" button so you can take your shot and put in your about how phoney this is and how little I understand this .... yet I'm sitting here telling you HALF of it and your not even trying to educate yourself.

Those who do know (and are probably wanting to silence me about now ) know that I have also dropped a note or two on the second half.. the HARD part.. the WORK part.

Just take the notes.. study what you see. Stop trying to look at it from a scammers point of view and look at it from the point of view of someone legitimately getting top placements and then figure out ways that you could do a little better than the first couple listings.



Ok.. now that's PLENTY.

School is now officially out my good brothers and sisters.

If you haven't figure it out from here, rather than getting all angry hitting the quote button and flaming me up... send the link of this thread to your smartest friend & ask them for assistance.

Troels

Maybe you do know how to work Google.
Just makes it even more frightening that you'd tell OR sell that info to competitive webmasters.

Seems more and more like a 'look-at-me' thread.

goBigtime

Perhaps it is. (See Sig)

BigtimeBandwidth - Home of the happiest googlin' clients on the web?

Aww maybe if they are lucky.

But I guarantee you that school is over for this thread. Man.. try to teach people how to fish and they beat you with fishing poles and fit you with cement shoes.

goBigtime

But your wrong punkworld.... google doesnt flip algos for "fairness" or for everyone to get an equal chance at the top position. They flip algos to weed out the scammers & keep them on their toes. They refine it a lot.. but for the most part its to throw the spammers/scammers for a loop (changing of the algo.)

I've said quite a few times (maybe from the start even?) that this isn't about scamming or spamming the engine, or doing things that would get you banned, I don't know why everyone wants to keep suggesting this. When you start looking at font colors and trying to find every possible variable and stuff like that... your playing more with page rank, which helps determine relevence & like said before in this thread.. pagerank is overrated. Pagerank is a scale fom 0-10 no? Google is indexing 3,083,324,652 pages... sort of blows that 0-10 scale out of the water. You want to be in a position to where pagerank for your site (so long as its avg) is irrelevent.

If you had done your homework & looked around you would ahve seen that there are tons of sites out there in top positions with lower pageranks than the listings BELOW them. Pagerank does have a few other very important jobs though... but if your doing yours right and making sure your pages all have avg pagerank, you'll be ok.

mongoose403

big-time-

I'd like to talk to you about some work, hook me up with your email/icq

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