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Originally posted by goBigtime
One of us must be 
I wonder if its the one who is going crazy with the overkill google tracking. Really man... your going way overboard with all that. Taking notes is good, and watching the algos for pagerank and stuff is good too. But with google... oh no here it comes, another revelation... the most important thing now is is..is.. cmon, figure it out!
Look, if your goal is to cheat your way to the top by interlinking pages and creating doors... well then your in another arena completely. I have not for a second claimed that THIS method has anything to do with any fraudulent attempts to work positions.
In fact it's been the opposite the whole time.
What you need are IDEAS. Fresh IDEAS.
If your an idea man, then #1 positioning for a few select keywords is no big deal.
For the record I advised people to take notes and do their homework so that they could at least be on the same playing field as this discussion. There are people in here talking shit and caling me a LIAR and saying SCAM! who honestly don't have a clue about google... so THAT recomendation was put in place to help them so they could follow along with the conversation here
But yeah, I know there are plenty of SE guys that go absolutely NUTS trying to figure out ways to scam the engines into giving them placement. The engines catch on to the scams & change the algo... leaving the LEGITIMATE placements behind to once again sit on their rightful top positions.
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How Google works: it takes 100+ factors which it weighs against eachother to determine relevance.
If your site isn't relevant, you have very little chance of getting good listings in good keywords. If you scam, you do have a chance, but it will most likely lead to getting banned.
There is not one single factor which determines your listings. That's why being an "idea man" has very little to do with it.
The whole point is to make a relevant site which satisfies as many factors as possible.
Determining the weight of those factors, "reverse engineering Google" as you call it, really isn't as simple as you might think. Even though determining the factors is rather easy, it is a lot harder to determine the exact weight, especially since that often changes, in order to keep the exact algo hidden.