He seems like a regular guy: Harley shirt, cap, etc. He gets the fact that the planes caused structural failure -- same words my mom used when we watched live on TV, btw...
I dunno WTF happened in the last few years, I guess you found weed, but you're more grounded than most here now a days, quite the change from a few years ago man.
I hope you're not being sarcastic here, because I totally agree with you.
Obvious, and even if it wasn't a false flag, they've sure made the most of it.
I dunno WTF happened in the last few years, I guess you found weed, but you're more grounded than most here now a days, quite the change from a few years ago man.
I hope you're not being sarcastic here, because I totally agree with you.
Obvious, and even if it wasn't a false flag, they've sure made the most of it.
Once a lunatic always a lunatic. I bet i can make him snap like he used to in minutes.
Once a lunatic always a lunatic. I bet i can make him snap like he used to in minutes.
People have been saying that since Amp returned... and I've yet to see it.
I have a feeling Amp beat the man made evil named alcohol and switched it out for weed.
I'm a firm believer, and an example myself of how that can take someone to a better place.
When I was a drinker I was out of control, bat shit crazy, so I NEVER drink anymore.
When I was a pot smoker, I was happy, content and well... just happy.
Fire was mainly on one floor.
Was not hit by a huge object traveling at a decent speed.
Things are a Bit heaver at the top with the pull of gravity pancaking down.
Anyway, this point and time you will not change one persons mind on what happened.
The pancaking seems ridiculous - it would have taken 10 times longer for one of the towers to fall and there would have been toppling or non-symmetrical events, but there weren't. Two differently damaged buildings fell exactly the same way - makes no sense, just on the basis of probability, disregarding the fact that fire doesn't bring down steel buildings.
Then there's building seven, which could win awards if there were such a thing for perfect, seamless demolition job.
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I dunno WTF happened in the last few years, I guess you found weed, but you're more grounded than most here now a days, quite the change from a few years ago man.
I hope you're not being sarcastic here, because I totally agree with you.
Obvious, and even if it wasn't a false flag, they've sure made the most of it.
thanks
no, no sarcasm, i believe it was a false flag. a poorly concealed one.
Originally posted by The Trash Heap
Once a lunatic always a lunatic. I bet i can make him snap like he used to in minutes.
except i was never a full-fledged lunatic, was just driven by demons, consumed with money, and soaked in tequila. i am none of those things any more.
nobody can "make me snap" any more for any reason. it only happened in the past because i was drunk 24/7 and ruled by emotion. the worst possible thing you could do to me on a messageboard would be to attack my family, which of course violates the rules, so no need for snapping, it's a bannable offense. Anything short of that, is just.... whatever.
Originally posted by iMind
People have been saying that since Amp returned... and I've yet to see it.
I have a feeling Amp beat the man made evil named alcohol and switched it out for weed.
I'm a firm believer, and an example myself of how that can take someone to a better place.
When I was a drinker I was out of control, bat shit crazy, so I NEVER drink anymore.
When I was a pot smoker, I was happy, content and well... just happy.
I wish I still smoked sometimes.
you're spot on.
it took a few years, but i'm pill free and booze free. it was only in March that i started smoking ganja regularly again (after 26 years of abstinence from it).... and that was the clincher. After that, i haven't even thought about booze any more. My proverbial shit is together and my proverbial act is cleaned up. I'm as "screwed on tight" as I can possibly be.
Are you referring to those who think the American government was in on it or those who think the guys trained by the American government as the Mujahideen did it?
They've installed permanent military bases to protect the pipelines crossing the country, they've boosted the profits of Bush sr.'s Carlysle Group among many others, they've mega-boosted the production of heroin which had been quashed by the Taliban. Many other good reasons.
The CIA has been proven to use the profits of heroin trafficking to finance their secret operations, so that it doesn't even touch government budgets. Remember Iran/Contra.
It would be the first ever, and it didn't burn that long compared to others. The reason steel structured buildings predominate post industrial city building is their imperviousness to collapse due to fire, among other things.
Seems like they thought everyone would take their word for WMD's. But their reasons for invading changed over and over as the years and the proof, or lack thereof, came out.
Do concrete buildings stand up to fire?
Anyhow skyscrapers do, I didn't check that other link, but the Windsor in Madrid burned for 24 hours, throughout, and didn't collapse. Parts of it did collapse or fall off, but that was after about 17 hours. it took them almost a year to tear down the remains, much like the other damaged buildings of the WTC: 3, 4, 5 and 6.
How come people don't just set buildings on fire to demolish them instead of spending millions and even billions with demolition contractors? I mean, 9/11 proved three times that all it takes is a fire...
This is assuming that the Bushies themselves were involved, for which there's nothing but circumstantial proof. And saying they were is about as realistic as saying a bunch of Saudis co-ordinated by a sick dialysis patient in a desert was responsible. There were as many (documented in passenger manifests) government people and government contractors on those planes as there were (undocumented, unlisted) Saudis on those planes.
The main thing seems to be the way the buildings fell, and what was done with any investigation afterwards - well, there weren't investigations, but whatever.
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All of your points are quickly and easily explained away... I'll reply to the comments about WTC 7, because that's my favorite.
You questioned WTC 7 falling, saying that it was "only on fire". You also said "Windsor in Madrid burned for 24 hours" but didn't fall. Both of these comments are full of holes. Part of the Windsor did collapse. And the Windsor didn't have two large skyscrapers fall nearly on top of it, removing one quarter of it's base. Your claiming WTC 7 fell because it was on fire, but it's more like it suffered two huge earthquakes, two huge towers falling nearly on top of, the building being removed off of it's foundation, a huge amount of it's support base being physically removed, AND it being on fire.
The pancaking seems ridiculous - it would have taken 10 times longer for one of the towers to fall and there would have been toppling or non-symmetrical events, but there weren't. Two differently damaged buildings fell exactly the same way - makes no sense, just on the basis of probability, disregarding the fact that fire doesn't bring down steel buildings.
Then there's building seven, which could win awards if there were such a thing for perfect, seamless demolition job.
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You expect them to fall over? because they were pushed by wind?
how come they didn't find any of the black boxes? i mean shit they are almost indestructable... this for me is the most curious, honestly im not sure if it was a conspiracy but i think it could have been there is a lot of dubiousness surrounding it....
The pancaking seems ridiculous - it would have taken 10 times longer for one of the towers to fall and there would have been toppling or non-symmetrical events, but there weren't. Two differently damaged buildings fell exactly the same way - makes no sense, just on the basis of probability, disregarding the fact that fire doesn't bring down steel buildings.
Then there's building seven, which could win awards if there were such a thing for perfect, seamless demolition job.
:D
Jesus, you're retarded. 9 years later and this is what you come up with? Something that has been explained over and over again?
Threads like this are good to help spot who the lunatics are. If you from some 3rd world country and believe this shit I give you a pass, you just a USA hater or miss informed and don't know better, but if you live here LOL you screaming " i'm a whacko" when you reply in threads like this that you believe that shit and then try to back up your reasons lol. way to go nutjobs!!!
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how come they didn't find any of the black boxes? i mean shit they are almost indestructable... this for me is the most curious, honestly im not sure if it was a conspiracy but i think it could have been there is a lot of dubiousness surrounding it....
I don't remember did they found black boxes but I remember they found hijackers passports... sorry can't find the article google it...
All of your points are quickly and easily explained away... I'll reply to the comments about WTC 7, because that's my favorite.
You questioned WTC 7 falling, saying that it was "only on fire". You also said "Windsor in Madrid burned for 24 hours" but didn't fall. Both of these comments are full of holes. Part of the Windsor did collapse. And the Windsor didn't have two large skyscrapers fall nearly on top of it, removing one quarter of it's base. Your claiming WTC 7 fell because it was on fire, but it's more like it suffered two huge earthquakes, two huge towers falling nearly on top of, the building being removed off of it's foundation, a huge amount of it's support base being physically removed, AND it being on fire.
I don't remember saying it was "only on fire".
I did point out that part of the Windsor collapsed.
One quarter of it's base? Source me on that, 'cause I haven't found that. A chunk was taken out but why did the bldg go down vertically instead of back toward the path of least resistance?
There's no evidence of WTC7 being "removed off of it's foundation" that I've seen.
Other, closer buildings were severely and more seriously damaged, and on fire, and didn't collapse, either perfectly vertically or asymetrically, which is more probable with the sort of scenario you suggest.
Originally posted by GotGauge
You expect them to fall over? because they were pushed by wind?
Uh, no, because since part of the lower section/s was/were compromised as it seems, damage and gravity caused the upper part/s to start falling, then the upper part/s would tend to tilt towards the weakened side/s, and be resisted by the less weakened, less compromised, whatever you want to call it, sections. There would be a toppling effect, which seemed to start happening, judging from the videos, but ultimately didn't - the whole thing pulverized and descended vertically, through the path of most resistance.
If this weirdness happened only once, you could write it off to coincidence. It happened twice with the towers, and a third time with the WTC7 building...
Originally posted by The Trash Heap
Jesus, you're retarded. 9 years later and this is what you come up with? Something that has been explained over and over again?
Fucking idiot.
Good argument. You've blown me away. Congrats.
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The main thing seems to be the way the buildings fell, and what was done with any investigation afterwards - well, there weren't investigations, but whatever.
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are you fucking kidding me?
There was no need to investigate how the buildings fell. It was captured on video what happened, a plane flew into the building, took out several floors, building caught fire then collapsed couple hours later . What the fuck is there to investigate ?
Why?? it didn't fall the way you conspiracy idiots thought it should fall? How many times has a plane crashed into a building and you watched it fall? how the fuck do you know how its suppose to fall ??
What is more logical, the govt did piss poor job protecting us, it really was terrorist who really do hate us and wanted to try to kill us, that when the plane crashed into the building it took out a lot of the supporting structure, weakening it, then the intense fire was enough to cause it to collapse... or
it was all planned, they had explosives planted in the building and controlled the planes.
If this was planned why in the hell would they blow up the buildings, you don't think crashing two planes into them wouldn't have been enough. Why didn't they blow up the pentagon too ? It would have still killed 100s if not thousands of people even if the building didn't fall. It would still have gotten 100% of the country behind whatever Bush wanted to do...
It is fine to question govt but at some point if your common sense gets over powered by your retard side, you need to stop and get your head on straight and look at this shit logically and not get caught up with all the other crazies.
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There was no need to investigate how the buildings fell. It was captured on video what happened, a plane flew into the building, took out several floors, building caught fire then collapsed couple hours later . What the fuck is there to investigate ?
Why?? it didn't fall the way you conspiracy idiots thought it should fall? How many times has a plane crashed into a building and you watched it fall? how the fuck do you know how its suppose to fall ??
What is more logical, the govt did piss poor job protecting us, it really was terrorist who really do hate us and wanted to try to kill us, that when the plane crashed into the building it took out a lot of the supporting structure, weakening it, then the intense fire was enough to cause it to collapse... or
it was all planned, they had explosives planted in the building and controlled the planes.
If this was planned why in the hell would they blow up the buildings, you don't think crashing two planes into them wouldn't have been enough. Why didn't they blow up the pentagon too ? It would have still killed 100s if not thousands of people even if the building didn't fall. It would still have gotten 100% of the country behind whatever Bush wanted to do...
It is fine to question govt but at some point if your common sense gets over powered by your retard side, you need to stop and get your head on straight and look at this shit logically and not get caught up with all the other crazies.
1. planes don't "vaporize".
2. no investigation required for the mass murder of thousands of people? okay champ.
But i bet you won't read it because you have no need for an official investigation full of facts.
In that report, they claim the building fell at gravitational acceleration, without explaining why. Free fall.
For about 2.5 seconds, steel, concrete and all other support mechanisms behaved like air, suddenly disappearing, without, in any part of that long boring report, any explanation of why these solid impediments to vertical descent disappeared.
That report has no "facts" explaining why the building behaved the way it did.
Also, as they admit, NIST detected no explosive materials because they did not look for them.
But you know all this because you of course did read the report.
Originally posted by MaDalton
this only proves that in other countries they know how to build skyscrapers
mouahahah yeah I hadn't thought of that :P
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1. planes don't "vaporize".
2. no investigation required for the mass murder of thousands of people? okay champ.
don't be a fucking total moron, mm'kay? you can be a partial one if you want. I never said they shouldn't do an investigation into 911. I said there was no need to investigate what happened to the buildings. Sure they should investigate 911 so we can beef up our security and not allow terrorist to hijack planes and fly them into buildings again.
the conspiracy theorist all have 1 thing in common, they are either rejects, morons, or anti govt types... there is a reason why the conspiracy idiots are on the fringe of society, they gravitate there. Find me 1 normal intelligent person that believes this shit i will find you 100 nutjobs.
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don't be a fucking total moron, mm'kay? you can be a partial one if you want. I never said they shouldn't do an investigation into 911. I said there was no need to investigate what happened to the buildings. Sure they should investigate 911 so we can beef up our security and not allow terrorist to hijack planes and fly them into buildings again.
the conspiracy theorist all have 1 thing in common, they are either rejects, morons, or anti govt types... there is a reason why the conspiracy idiots are on the fringe of society, they gravitate there. Find me 1 normal intelligent person that believes this shit i will find you 100 nutjobs.
none of that negates the fact that entire commercial airplanes do not "vaporize".
where are they? not a single piece? 4 planes and not...... one....... piece?
I can't understand how people expect a building to come down other than well, coming down, collapsing on it's on weight. What else is it supposed to do?
I can't understand how people expect a building to come down other than well, coming down, collapsing on it's on weight. What else is it supposed to do?
i'm certain there are many things you do not understand.
Amputate your head. One of the biggest idiots ever on gfy. A tiny weird looking asshat with a funny voice who spent half his life talking nonsense because he was drunk 24/7. A total fucking loser from the day his mom shat him out. I would feel sorry for you and your shitty life if you wouldn't be such an asshole.
What's the problem midget? Can't answer a simply question? Are you afraid to say it out loud that there were no planes because people will think you're an even bigger moron than they already thought you are?
Says the idiot who's brain has been permantly damaged by alcohol and meds. And you weren't born exactly smart to start with it.
So tell me, there were no planes?
Originally posted by The Trash Heap
Amputate your head. One of the biggest idiots ever on gfy. A tiny weird looking asshat with a funny voice who spent half his life talking nonsense because he was drunk 24/7. A total fucking loser from the day his mom shat him out. I would feel sorry for you and your shitty life if you wouldn't be such an asshole.
Originally posted by The Trash Heap
What's the problem midget? Can't answer a simply question? Are you afraid to say it out loud that there were no planes because people will think you're an even bigger moron than they already thought you are?
You believe that 9/11 was an inside job because of some videos you saw on the internet. The net is a wonderful resource, but it sure has helped dumb down a significant segment of the population.
Lemme guess .. most of you easily led idiots think the moon landing was fake, the holocaust? Hell I bet if a good enough video was put together you would start to question whether world war 1 and 2 happened.
people who believe everything they see/read, will always be that way, there's no helping (unplugging) them. most people who don't consider the POSSIBILITY that it was an inside operation are not interested in actually finding truth. perception is reality for 99% of the human population and if you're in the 1%, you're free and to me... nothing is more valuable.
There was no need to investigate how the buildings fell. It was captured on video what happened, a plane flew into the building, took out several floors, building caught fire then collapsed couple hours later . What the fuck is there to investigate ?
Why?? it didn't fall the way you conspiracy idiots thought it should fall? How many times has a plane crashed into a building and you watched it fall? how the fuck do you know how its suppose to fall ??
What is more logical, the govt did piss poor job protecting us, it really was terrorist who really do hate us and wanted to try to kill us, that when the plane crashed into the building it took out a lot of the supporting structure, weakening it, then the intense fire was enough to cause it to collapse... or
it was all planned, they had explosives planted in the building and controlled the planes.
If this was planned why in the hell would they blow up the buildings, you don't think crashing two planes into them wouldn't have been enough. Why didn't they blow up the pentagon too ? It would have still killed 100s if not thousands of people even if the building didn't fall. It would still have gotten 100% of the country behind whatever Bush wanted to do...
It is fine to question govt but at some point if your common sense gets over powered by your retard side, you need to stop and get your head on straight and look at this shit logically and not get caught up with all the other crazies.
Regardless of how you personally feel about the "need" to investigate 9/11, any and all such disasters are usually treated as a crime scene and investigated thoroughly. But 9/11 was not. Why not?
You say it's somehow logical that after a plane hit one of the towers, it collapses. But not according to WTC architect and construction manager Frank De Martini: http://www.historycommons.org/entity...k_de_martini_1
The "collapse" wasn't hours later - it was an hour later. No way that was long enough even in a furnace that the steel could soften/melt/weaken so much top to bottom that the building would fall the way it did.
The way it was "supposed" to fall would be according to the laws of physics not the way some conspiracy nuts would think it "should" - and it did not follow the laws of physics.
If you want to look at this shit logically, then look at all the shit, not just what the Keane commission says, if you read it - since it doesn't actually report many facts...
Originally posted by The Trash Heap
What's the problem midget? Can't answer a simply question? Are you afraid to say it out loud that there were no planes because people will think you're an even bigger moron than they already thought you are?
It can't be there were no planes, they were recorded by too many sources. Of course there were planes...
Originally posted by Sausage
Wow ... retards unite!
You believe that 9/11 was an inside job because of some videos you saw on the internet. The net is a wonderful resource, but it sure has helped dumb down a significant segment of the population.
Lemme guess .. most of you easily led idiots think the moon landing was fake, the holocaust? Hell I bet if a good enough video was put together you would start to question whether world war 1 and 2 happened.
No not just because of some videos. There's a hell of a lot more information out there than that, and much more of it contradicts the government version than any other conspiracy theory.
Your jumbling together the moon landing and holocaust nuts with 9/11 doubters shows how much the government and mainstream media have blocked your capacity to think independently.
Originally posted by opflix
people who believe everything they see/read, will always be that way, there's no helping (unplugging) them. most people who don't consider the POSSIBILITY that it was an inside operation are not interested in actually finding truth. perception is reality for 99% of the human population and if you're in the 1%, you're free and to me... nothing is more valuable.
And it seems that people will believe whatever they want to believe. Even if the government itself came out with a report saying it was an inside conspiracy instead of an outside conspiracy, like they already did with the Warren commission vs. the House Select Committee on Assassinations about the JFK assassination, people would just not pay attention.
Pretty sad.
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i don't remember did they found black boxes but i remember they found hijackers passports... sorry can't find the article google it...
but the fbi states, and also reported to the 9-11 commission, that none of the recording devices from the two planes that hit the world trade center were ever recovered.
There has always been some skepticism about this assertion, particularly as two n.y. City firefighters, mike bellone and nicholas de masi, claimed in 2004 that they had found three of the four boxes, and that federal agents took them and told the two men not to mention having found them. (the fbi denies the whole story.) moreover, these devices are almost always located after crashes, even if not in useable condition
for its part, the fbi is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. "to the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the world trade center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them," says fbi spokesman stephen kodak.
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I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
1. planes don't "vaporize".
2. no investigation required for the mass murder of thousands of people? okay champ.
I think they do Vaporize http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyH40iz6PQ
Now I know the plane that hit the WTC was not going that fast, BUT
You have to add in all the force and energy that was created during the collapse.
things were reduced to dust!
Anyway, the one I am not sure about it the pentagon....
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