Do I have the wrong hotel? There's nobody at the Diplomat - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Johnny Rocco · 08-07-2010, 04:58 AM

I remeber attending the first year of the show - it was so jam packed in there you had a difficult time getting by people near the convention hall.

Shows how badly AVN has screwed the shows, with their ridiculous pricing and gouging. Coincidence?

clicker · 08-07-2010, 05:32 AM

Fuck it. Grab a beer and head to the pool.

The Ghost · 08-07-2010, 05:46 AM

It doesn't matter how many people attended (unless you're AVN) as long at the right people attend. Gleem was right when mentioning just one deal can make the difference. But that's a gamble of time and money less people are willing to make.

Seems few shows have gone away even with attendance complaints, but again it's been years & years since I've been to one. Each time the next show comes up I think about it, then get busy on something and don't think about it until the next show.

Something interesting is that even during the online porn 'glory years' the internet side of the biz was starry eyed and jealous at how BIG and opulent the video (vhs/dvd) shows were. Impressed by glitz instead of real $$$ and results.

Forest · 08-07-2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

Good show for me. People seem interested in doing real biz.

agreed

i was only going to be there one day (yesterday) and i had 7 very good meetings

Thanks SR for taking care of the issue for me.

Luscious Media · 08-07-2010, 07:37 AM

I considered attending but I'm too busy sending out DMCAs.

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 07:43 AM

I've always wondered about "meetings".

I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol

I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting".

How does the meeting go? Is it like this?:
Pornographer One: "I have porn"

Pornographer Two: "I have porn too"

Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?"

Pornographer Two: "Yes"

Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!"

Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to"

Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink.

pornstar2fag · 08-07-2010, 07:49 AM

turn off your computers and leave the internet, you've reached the end of it. thanks for playing.

ruff · 08-07-2010, 07:51 AM

It didn't even get mentioned on the local news down here. I'd be surprised if it returns next year. By the way, the Diplomat is big because it is a convention hotel located in possibly the worst place you could have a convention. The middle of nowhere. South Beach is 15 miles away and Lauderdale is 10. You ain't walking anywhere unless you want to go to Wal-Mart. I always got a chuckle out of that. Of course this year might be a good time to get that case of Chinese dildos I've been thinking about.

Jim_Gunn · 08-07-2010, 07:56 AM

I found that everyone that attended the show was serious and interested in talking business not bullshit. Of course attendance was not like it was years ago. At this stage of the game, all the weak players including shitty producers, lame sites, half-assed affiliate programs, and the companies that relied on screwing the consumer have pretty much been marginalized and eliminated. Now everyone that is left that can afford to attend a trade show is either really good at what they do or just there to see old friends from the glory days. People can say the show was small and it is not like the old days, but if they got on a plane, showed up and still didn't get anything accomplished then that's their own fault.

gleem · 08-07-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Forest

agreed

i was only going to be there one day (yesterday) and i had 7 very good meetings

Thanks SR for taking care of the issue for me.

dude, lets meet up, hadn't talked to you since 2004, check your ICQ for my number

gleem · 08-07-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Did Fabian ever make it past customs?

I saw him there, so yes, I guess he did.

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gleem

I saw him there, so yes, I guess he did.

ADG will be crushed.

Gerco · 08-07-2010, 08:07 AM

About the only place your walking to is that pizza join a couple blocks down.

I've been to 5-6 of the fla shows, and and equal number of the vegas shows. each progressively smaller, each less ROI. The price goes up the value goes down... Last year was and is the last AVN show I'll ever attend, simple as that.

Even a few years back it use to be a shuffle trying to figure out what to go do next because so much was going on you actually had to pick and choose. Got a LOT done, met and worked with great people because of those shows.

Last year was more a sit around trying to figure out what to do next because nothing was going on. Still met some good people, didn't work with any of them.

Meetings... had a few. Basically, "I can send you sales. You have to pay me 60 bucks up front for each and you have to pay 10k worth of those upfront joins or your SOL."

I only even went to the show because Mojohost flipped the ticket, and a none industry friend needed a break and popped for the room. Even then, it was not worth the gas to drive there or the time wasted.

Wizzo · 08-07-2010, 08:29 AM

Yes the show seems smaller but it's been very productive for me so far for business.

pornstar2fag · 08-07-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I found that everyone that attended the show was serious and interested in talking business not bullshit. Of course attendance was not like it was years ago. At this stage of the game, all the weak players including shitty producers, lame sites, half-assed affiliate programs, and the companies that relied on screwing the consumer have pretty much been marginalized and eliminated. Now everyone that is left that can afford to attend a trade show is either really good at what they do or just there to see old friends from the glory days. People can say the show was small and it is not like the old days, but if they got on a plane, showed up and still didn't get anything accomplished then that's their own fault.

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Yes the show seems smaller but it's been very productive for me so far for business.

gleem · 08-07-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

Yes the show seems smaller but it's been very productive for me so far for business.

wizzo! find me, look for sharky if you can't find me to hit me up, we got some biz to discuss, be there in the afternoon

halfpint · 08-07-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I've always wondered about "meetings".

I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol

I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting".

How does the meeting go? Is it like this?:
Pornographer One: "I have porn"

Pornographer Two: "I have porn too"

Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?"

Pornographer Two: "Yes"

Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!"

Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to"

Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink.

fuzebox · 08-07-2010, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've always wondered about "meetings".

I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol

I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting".

How does the meeting go? Is it like this?:
Pornographer One: "I have porn"

Pornographer Two: "I have porn too"

Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?"

Pornographer Two: "Yes"

Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!"

Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to"

Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink.

I always found the absurdity of "meetings" at shows to be pretty funny as well. I think some sales people just like feeling important and busy.

CS-Jay · 08-07-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I always found the absurdity of "meetings" at shows to be pretty funny as well. I think some sales people just like feeling important and busy.

Best line of the day. I never understood it either.

baddog · 08-07-2010, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I always found the absurdity of "meetings" at shows to be pretty funny as well. I think some sales people just like feeling important and busy.

I found that most were affiliate reps there on the company dime. Of course you are going to be in meetings.

fuzebox · 08-07-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I found that most were affiliate reps there on the company dime. Of course you are going to be in meetings.

Well of course. I guess I should rephrase... it's not that I don't understand it, it's just that I can't relate.

Varius · 08-07-2010, 11:12 AM

I agree with Robbie and Fuze, when I have been at shows actively seeking business/deals/affiliates (years in the past), I never had "meetings". They weren't needed, the majority of your time you are going to be stuck having someone try to "sell you" on some BS and take an hour or two of your time, to relay something they could have said in 5 minutes. The end result is the same, 95% of the time, people don't follow-through anyways.

I remember at one point, I think 9 of our top 10 affiliates were people I brought in, even though I wasn't even a rep, who I met very late night, drinking heavily. Hanging out, without the salesperson bullshit, is always better than a sales pitch IMO in forming business relationships.

Are you more likely to remember the guy saying:

"Hey, we met at the show, I was the guy trying to sell you my awesome feeds, you said you'd take a look"

OR

"Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of that bar and escaping from the police on a stolen golf cart!?"

So, to those who say you need to be well-dressed, carrying around a notepad and have your iPhone loaded with appointments or you aren't doing business at a show, you may want to re-think that strategy.

Barefootsies · 08-07-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

People can say the show was small and it is not like the old days, but if they got on a plane, showed up and still didn't get anything accomplished then that's their own fault.

Well said my friend.

Connor · 08-07-2010, 11:21 AM

You guys are priceless. Admit it, most of you in this thread would be terribly disappointed if reports were that the show was seriously kicking ass. :D

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

"Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of that bar and escaping from the police on a stolen golf cart!?"

Or in my case with you...
Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of a Costa Rican whorehouse and escaping security in that white van you were in?

NewbieNudes · 08-07-2010, 01:00 PM

The fact I couldn't cancel my $1k room (4 nights) even when I tried to 14 days before the event totally blows. Then later to not be able to sell it on for $400 told me there wasn't much demand for rooms.

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NewbieNudes

The fact I couldn't cancel my $1k room (4 nights) even when I tried to 14 days before the event totally blows. Then later to not be able to sell it on for $400 told me there wasn't much demand for rooms.

You couldn't cancel 14 days ahead of time? Wow.

That's the kind of thing that gets on my nerves about shows. It seems like they always pick hotels that take advantage of us in every way. Bend us over and fuck us in the ass without lube.

And the bad part is...here in Vegas for instance there are PLENTY of hotel/casinos that would bend over backwards and offer discounts to AVN/Internext and XBIZ to bring their shows to them. Including ones here with TOPLESS pools.

But they cut sweetheart deals for themselves with overpriced Palms and Hard Rock respectively and we get over charged for everything and the girls can't even take their tits out.

I want to go to the Venus show in Germany. That looked a whole lot like the old mid 90's and IA2000 shows used to look like with naked girls everywhere and people having fun.

And somehow we did MILLIONS of dollars worth of business while getting fucked up and laid the whole time. No need for "serious" this and "serious" that. We went there, we got fucked up, we got some pussy, we shook hands, we made deals, we made money.

EDIT: You want affiliates to come back to shows? Give them some naked girls and some FUN. They sit behind a keyboard all fucking year long. Give them a REASON to make a show their vacation and they will come back like they used to.

DimeCash · 08-07-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Or in my case with you...
Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of a Costa Rican whorehouse and escaping security in that white van you were in?

No - this could not have happened in Costa Rica?? You must have the wrong country.

http://www.costaricatravelscout.com/...osta-rica.html

Robbie · 08-07-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DimeCash

No - this could not have happened in Costa Rica?? You must have the wrong country.

Believe me, when you walk into a casino/hotel/whorehouse with Claudia-Marie and every hooker in the place starts complaining to the management because all the men are surrounding Claudia-Marie...you get thrown out.

It was something I never imagined happening in my wildest dreams!

The good old Hotel Del Ray

DWB · 08-07-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Or in my case with you...
Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of a Costa Rican whorehouse and escaping security in that white van you were in?

I'm very sorry I missed that.

pornstar2fag · 08-07-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

You guys are priceless. Admit it, most of you in this thread would be terribly disappointed if reports were that the show was seriously kicking ass. :D

yah but it didn't so stop sucking cock. loser. the smart people skipped it.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 08-07-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Well by the looks of your wife, I might have to change my haircut.

TwinCities · 08-07-2010, 01:42 PM

"show was productive business wise" is a bullshit statement. Did someone cut you a check at the show? Did you cut someone else a check at the show? The truth is you really don't know if a show was productive until 1-2 months after a show. Everyone says YES at a show but that does not translate into links up and joins coming in until you get back and DO SOMETHING on both sides. Also, there is several names here I have worked with over the years that will remain nameless that are flat out slackers. You can inhale your own exhaust all you want about how much business you get done but the people that have worked with you know better.

epitome · 08-07-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinCities

"show was productive business wise" is a bullshit statement. Did someone cut you a check at the show? Did you cut someone else a check at the show? The truth is you really don't know if a show was productive until 1-2 months after a show. Everyone says YES at a show but that does not translate into links up and joins coming in until you get back and DO SOMETHING on both sides. Also, there is several names here I have worked with over the years that will remain nameless that are flat out slackers. You can inhale your own exhaust all you want about how much business you get done but the people that have worked with you know better.

I imagine that the majority do not own the company they are representing and are not going there on their own dime. They want to make sure that they get these mini-vacations for years to come.

CIVMatt · 08-07-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You couldn't cancel 14 days ahead of time? Wow.

That's the kind of thing that gets on my nerves about shows. It seems like they always pick hotels that take advantage of us in every way. Bend us over and fuck us in the ass without lube.

And the bad part is...here in Vegas for instance there are PLENTY of hotel/casinos that would bend over backwards and offer discounts to AVN/Internext and XBIZ to bring their shows to them. Including ones here with TOPLESS pools.

But they cut sweetheart deals for themselves with overpriced Palms and Hard Rock respectively and we get over charged for everything and the girls can't even take their tits out.

I want to go to the Venus show in Germany. That looked a whole lot like the old mid 90's and IA2000 shows used to look like with naked girls everywhere and people having fun.

And somehow we did MILLIONS of dollars worth of business while getting fucked up and laid the whole time. No need for "serious" this and "serious" that. We went there, we got fucked up, we got some pussy, we shook hands, we made deals, we made money.

EDIT: You want affiliates to come back to shows? Give them some naked girls and some FUN. They sit behind a keyboard all fucking year long. Give them a REASON to make a show their vacation and they will come back like they used to.

What's wrong with a $50 grilled cheese sandwich?

Meloman · 08-07-2010, 02:00 PM

While I agree that tons of biz can get done without meetings and I've done tons of deals over the years late night over a drink, there are certain scenarios where a meeting is necessary:

1. You don't want others seeing who you're talking to.
a. affiliate is thinking of switching sponsors & doesn't want Sponsor A seeing them talk to Sponsor B.
b. same goes for the sponsor program. if a competitors whale wants to switch to you sometimes its better to talk in private.

2. Sometimes you want to talk specifics and it's easier in a quite room instead of loud club.

3. To impress your client. Showing them you can afford a large meeting suite shows you have the money to do business.

4. If multiple people from a company are required to answer questions (owner, programer, rep) sometimes it's easier to meet at a specific time/place (meeting room) rather than try to find each other in a loud club. Or sometimes companies will have their reps scattered at different parties so that they have better coverage. Get answers from multiple people is easier if they're all together in a "meeting"

5. You don't want competition listening in and stealing your ideas. If you do 200 joins daily but let most people know you're at 10 to keep a low profile the last thing you want is someone overhearing your conversation and then copying your biz the next day.

And the list goes on...

As a webmaster I did all my biz like everyone describes. Now with AFF I understand the need for private meetings.

Just my

MaDalton · 08-07-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinCities

"show was productive business wise" is a bullshit statement. Did someone cut you a check at the show? Did you cut someone else a check at the show? The truth is you really don't know if a show was productive until 1-2 months after a show. Everyone says YES at a show but that does not translate into links up and joins coming in until you get back and DO SOMETHING on both sides. Also, there is several names here I have worked with over the years that will remain nameless that are flat out slackers. You can inhale your own exhaust all you want about how much business you get done but the people that have worked with you know better.

right - i wasted many hours by discussing deals on shows and when following up later got no reply or just excuses

fuzebox · 08-07-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

You guys are priceless. Admit it, most of you in this thread would be terribly disappointed if reports were that the show was seriously kicking ass. :D

Disappointed or shocked?

mailman · 08-07-2010, 02:26 PM

business has been great this year so far at this show got a lot done and seem a lot of people, did not know you were attending shap, I would have liked to talk to you about a few things maybe there is still time get in touch if you can

TwinCities · 08-07-2010, 02:50 PM

Madalton, exactly.

One thing I leaned years ago was to never waste a man's time. Your's or his. NEVER tell someone yes when you mean no and then ignore them when you get behind your computer. DON'T leave people wondering where they stand. If their products or services are not for you then SAY SO. It just isn't that hard.

alias · 08-07-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

"Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of that bar and escaping from the police on a stolen golf cart!?"

So, to those who say you need to be well-dressed, carrying around a notepad and have your iPhone loaded with appointments or you aren't doing business at a show, you may want to re-think that strategy.

That is something I'd be into.

Sly · 08-07-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

right - i wasted many hours by discussing deals on shows and when following up later got no reply or just excuses

No doubt. You get that everywhere though. From shows, private meets, ICQ, e-mail, anything really. And it is not limited to our industry. That's life.

It boils down to being a numbers game. You can talk to 20 people and 19 of them can be flakes... the question is whether or not that remaining 1 makes up for the other 19.

MaDalton · 08-07-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinCities

Madalton, exactly.

One thing I leaned years ago was to never waste a man's time. Your's or his. NEVER tell someone yes when you mean no and then ignore them when you get behind your computer. DON'T leave people wondering where they stand. If their products or services are not for you then SAY SO. It just isn't that hard.

amen, brother

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Originally Posted by Sly

No doubt. You get that everywhere though. From shows, private meets, ICQ, e-mail, anything really. And it is not limited to our industry. That's life.

It boils down to being a numbers game. You can talk to 20 people and 19 of them can be flakes... the question is whether or not that remaining 1 makes up for the other 19.

true, i had similar experiences in my previous jobs as well. but still it seems to be worse in this business and considering that a trip to a show like this costs me about $2.5k to $3k because of the flights it's simply not worth it anymore. nowadays i profit from my show visits in the past and do deals on ICQ with people who don't attend either.

Forest · 08-07-2010, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've always wondered about "meetings".

I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol

I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting".

How does the meeting go? Is it like this?:
Pornographer One: "I have porn"

Pornographer Two: "I have porn too"

Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?"

Pornographer Two: "Yes"

Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!"

Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to"

Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink.

its funny how this is actually a business for some and not a lifestyle

Forest · 08-07-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

dude, lets meet up, hadn't talked to you since 2004, check your ICQ for my number

ill hit you next week when i log into icq

im on strict mon-fri only diet for icq lol

Forest · 08-07-2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

business has been great this year so far at this show got a lot done and seem a lot of people, did not know you were attending shap, I would have liked to talk to you about a few things maybe there is still time get in touch if you can

dude

wish i had known you were here. Would have taken you for dinner.

Forest · 08-07-2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I always found the absurdity of "meetings" at shows to be pretty funny as well. I think some sales people just like feeling important and busy.

i dont get it

especially in this day and age i want a bit more information and even some real personal contact with decision makers before determining where my joins are going

i dont go to shows for parties or nude chicks or poker or drinks (i did that from 99-2004)

I go to shows to make more money. Period.

mailman · 08-07-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Forest

dude

wish i had known you were here. Would have taken you for dinner.

we got 10 of us going for dinner at 9PM if your buying? lol

Charlie Laine.. Shay Laren... ;)

lol maybe tomorrow AM? room 841 south tower just slip me a card under the door if im not around and ill call you or shoot me a PM on my forum with your number same with you shap if you read this!

Forest · 08-07-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

we got 10 of us going for dinner at 9PM if your buying? lol

Charlie Laine.. Shay Laren... ;)

lol maybe tomorrow AM? room 841 south tower just slip me a card under the door if im not around and ill call you or shoot me a PM on my forum with your number same with you shap if you read this!

sorry dude but yesterday was my only day at the show. Family stuff the rest of the weekend.

Im a local. Enjoy the rest of the show.

fatfoo · 08-07-2010, 05:49 PM

Ask the security./j

08-07-2010, 05:46 AM	#53
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	It doesn't matter how many people attended (unless you're AVN) as long at the right people attend. Gleem was right when mentioning just one deal can make the difference. But that's a gamble of time and money less people are willing to make. Seems few shows have gone away even with attendance complaints, but again it's been years & years since I've been to one. Each time the next show comes up I think about it, then get busy on something and don't think about it until the next show. Something interesting is that even during the online porn 'glory years' the internet side of the biz was starry eyed and jealous at how BIG and opulent the video (vhs/dvd) shows were. Impressed by glitz instead of real $$$ and results. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join Last edited by The Ghost; 08-07-2010 at 05:47 AM..

08-07-2010, 07:37 AM	#55
Luscious Media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Foxwoods Posts: 785	I considered attending but I'm too busy sending out DMCAs. __________________ Luscious Media ICQ: 293-550-859 CFNM Cash

08-07-2010, 07:43 AM	#56
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I've always wondered about "meetings". I don't think I've ever had one in my life. lol I've done plenty of deals, usually late at night over a drink. But never went to a show, sat down in a conference room and had a "meeting". How does the meeting go? Is it like this?: Pornographer One: "I have porn" Pornographer Two: "I have porn too" Pornographer One: "Want to do a x-sell with my porn for your porn?" Pornographer Two: "Yes" Pornographer One: "GREAT meeting! Let's go buy an overpriced drink!" Pornographer Two: "Sounds good because there aren't any sponsor parties anymore, and I have ten more meetings to go to" Just seems like it's a lot funner to do it over a whore and a drink. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-07-2010, 07:51 AM	#58
ruff I have a plan B Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Seattle - Miami - St Kitts Posts: 5,506	It didn't even get mentioned on the local news down here. I'd be surprised if it returns next year. By the way, the Diplomat is big because it is a convention hotel located in possibly the worst place you could have a convention. The middle of nowhere. South Beach is 15 miles away and Lauderdale is 10. You ain't walking anywhere unless you want to go to Wal-Mart. I always got a chuckle out of that. Of course this year might be a good time to get that case of Chinese dildos I've been thinking about. __________________ CryptoFeeds

08-07-2010, 08:07 AM	#63
Gerco Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,052	About the only place your walking to is that pizza join a couple blocks down. I've been to 5-6 of the fla shows, and and equal number of the vegas shows. each progressively smaller, each less ROI. The price goes up the value goes down... Last year was and is the last AVN show I'll ever attend, simple as that. Even a few years back it use to be a shuffle trying to figure out what to go do next because so much was going on you actually had to pick and choose. Got a LOT done, met and worked with great people because of those shows. Last year was more a sit around trying to figure out what to do next because nothing was going on. Still met some good people, didn't work with any of them. Meetings... had a few. Basically, "I can send you sales. You have to pay me 60 bucks up front for each and you have to pay 10k worth of those upfront joins or your SOL." I only even went to the show because Mojohost flipped the ticket, and a none industry friend needed a break and popped for the room. Even then, it was not worth the gas to drive there or the time wasted. __________________ Http://www.extremehole.com ** CLOSED ** 400 HOURS of exclusive custom extreme content, already on external HD in Raw DV ready to encode. over 150,000 exclusive images and more.

08-07-2010, 04:58 AM	#51
Johnny Rocco Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 38	I remeber attending the first year of the show - it was so jam packed in there you had a difficult time getting by people near the convention hall. Shows how badly AVN has screwed the shows, with their ridiculous pricing and gouging. Coincidence?

08-07-2010, 05:32 AM	#52
clicker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virtual Posts: 1,113	Fuck it. Grab a beer and head to the pool.

08-07-2010, 07:49 AM	#57
pornstar2fag So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 544	turn off your computers and leave the internet, you've reached the end of it. thanks for playing.

08-07-2010, 07:56 AM	#59
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I found that everyone that attended the show was serious and interested in talking business not bullshit. Of course attendance was not like it was years ago. At this stage of the game, all the weak players including shitty producers, lame sites, half-assed affiliate programs, and the companies that relied on screwing the consumer have pretty much been marginalized and eliminated. Now everyone that is left that can afford to attend a trade show is either really good at what they do or just there to see old friends from the glory days. People can say the show was small and it is not like the old days, but if they got on a plane, showed up and still didn't get anything accomplished then that's their own fault.

08-07-2010, 08:29 AM	#64
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Yes the show seems smaller but it's been very productive for me so far for business. __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

08-07-2010, 11:12 AM	#72
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	I agree with Robbie and Fuze, when I have been at shows actively seeking business/deals/affiliates (years in the past), I never had "meetings". They weren't needed, the majority of your time you are going to be stuck having someone try to "sell you" on some BS and take an hour or two of your time, to relay something they could have said in 5 minutes. The end result is the same, 95% of the time, people don't follow-through anyways. I remember at one point, I think 9 of our top 10 affiliates were people I brought in, even though I wasn't even a rep, who I met very late night, drinking heavily. Hanging out, without the salesperson bullshit, is always better than a sales pitch IMO in forming business relationships. Are you more likely to remember the guy saying: "Hey, we met at the show, I was the guy trying to sell you my awesome feeds, you said you'd take a look" OR "Man, wasn't that night awesome getting thrown out of that bar and escaping from the police on a stolen golf cart!?" So, to those who say you need to be well-dressed, carrying around a notepad and have your iPhone loaded with appointments or you aren't doing business at a show, you may want to re-think that strategy. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

08-07-2010, 11:21 AM	#74
Connor Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,294	You guys are priceless. Admit it, most of you in this thread would be terribly disappointed if reports were that the show was seriously kicking ass. :D __________________ YNOT v5 IS NOW LIVE! \| SEEN YNOT MAIL YET?

08-07-2010, 01:00 PM	#76
NewbieNudes Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 939	The fact I couldn't cancel my $1k room (4 nights) even when I tried to 14 days before the event totally blows. Then later to not be able to sell it on for $400 told me there wasn't much demand for rooms. __________________ \| Click Here to join our unique high converting program \| Add yourself for free traffic! ICQ: 279 738 569 \| Skype: NewbieNudes \| Email: affiliates at newbienudes dot com

08-07-2010, 01:42 PM	#83
TwinCities Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 492	"show was productive business wise" is a bullshit statement. Did someone cut you a check at the show? Did you cut someone else a check at the show? The truth is you really don't know if a show was productive until 1-2 months after a show. Everyone says YES at a show but that does not translate into links up and joins coming in until you get back and DO SOMETHING on both sides. Also, there is several names here I have worked with over the years that will remain nameless that are flat out slackers. You can inhale your own exhaust all you want about how much business you get done but the people that have worked with you know better.

08-07-2010, 02:00 PM	#86
Meloman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 1,540	While I agree that tons of biz can get done without meetings and I've done tons of deals over the years late night over a drink, there are certain scenarios where a meeting is necessary: 1. You don't want others seeing who you're talking to. a. affiliate is thinking of switching sponsors & doesn't want Sponsor A seeing them talk to Sponsor B. b. same goes for the sponsor program. if a competitors whale wants to switch to you sometimes its better to talk in private. 2. Sometimes you want to talk specifics and it's easier in a quite room instead of loud club. 3. To impress your client. Showing them you can afford a large meeting suite shows you have the money to do business. 4. If multiple people from a company are required to answer questions (owner, programer, rep) sometimes it's easier to meet at a specific time/place (meeting room) rather than try to find each other in a loud club. Or sometimes companies will have their reps scattered at different parties so that they have better coverage. Get answers from multiple people is easier if they're all together in a "meeting" 5. You don't want competition listening in and stealing your ideas. If you do 200 joins daily but let most people know you're at 10 to keep a low profile the last thing you want is someone overhearing your conversation and then copying your biz the next day. And the list goes on... As a webmaster I did all my biz like everyone describes. Now with AFF I understand the need for private meetings. Just my Last edited by Meloman; 08-07-2010 at 02:01 PM..

08-07-2010, 02:26 PM	#89
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	business has been great this year so far at this show got a lot done and seem a lot of people, did not know you were attending shap, I would have liked to talk to you about a few things maybe there is still time get in touch if you can

08-07-2010, 02:50 PM	#90
TwinCities Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 492	Madalton, exactly. One thing I leaned years ago was to never waste a man's time. Your's or his. NEVER tell someone yes when you mean no and then ignore them when you get behind your computer. DON'T leave people wondering where they stand. If their products or services are not for you then SAY SO. It just isn't that hard.

08-07-2010, 05:49 PM	#100
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Ask the security./j __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]