Stimulus Package at work

[Vendzilla]

according to http://recovery.gov
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was $787 Billion
488 billion has been distributed
Recovery funded jobs reported by recipients is 682,370

so lets do the math, that's $715,154 per job? Is my math correct?

wouldn't it be better to just cut a check to all the people out of work for $100k?

488,000,000,000/682,370=715,154

[The Demon]

It's all BUSH'S FAULT!!

[stocktrader23]

Simple minds provide so much entertainment.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

simple minds provide so much entertainment.

i-r-o-n-y

[IllTestYourGirls]

Obviously we need another 3 trillion.

GDP growth down 1 full percent in Obama's Summer Of Recovery...... 2.4%

[Vendzilla]

do all the democrats have gold toilets now?

[directfiesta]

A last, got my daily Obama hate thread of the day ...

[The Demon]

Well, for every realistic and factual anti Obama/Liberal thread we get in a day, there are at least 6 bitchy anti conservative threads. Gotta love those liberals who live in their own reality.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

A last, got my daily Obama hate thread of the day ...

To be fair it is not Obama's fault that big government is inefficient. It always has been and will always be.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by The Demon

i-r-o-n-y

I would put my mind against yours any day of the week.

Just a heads up.

[stocktrader23]

PS, if the OP could even understand what in the fuck he was reading this would have never been posted. So many variables and data points ignored to make an ignorant point it's laughable.

Enjoy your bubble, bliss boy.

[Hornydog4cooter]

Get your ass elected and fix things instead of crying on gfy daily. I don't like Obama but fucking arm chair politicians drive me insane. You don't like how things are being done fucking do something about it. Crying on gfy does nothing

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Simple minds provide so much entertainment.

Hows that?

Originally Posted by directfiesta

A last, got my daily Obama hate thread of the day ...

Information taken from a website Obama put up, so how's it hate?

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

PS, if the OP could even understand what in the fuck he was reading this would have never been posted. So many variables and data points ignored to make an ignorant point it's laughable.

Enjoy your bubble, bliss boy.

What variables?, Data Points? Just simple math, you understand that don't you?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Hornydog4cooter

Get your ass elected and fix things instead of crying on gfy daily. I don't like Obama but fucking arm chair politicians drive me insane. You don't like how things are being done fucking do something about it. Crying on gfy does nothing

I wouldn't want the job, see what it's doing to Obama's hair?

Besides, who's crying? I just took some info off Obama's website and questioned it

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Information taken from a website Obama put up, so how's it hate?

I wonder if Obama uses FrontPage or Dreamweaver? I bet he hand codes!

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hows that?

Information taken from a website Obama put up, so how's it hate?


What variables?, Data Points? Just simple math, you understand that don't you?

I know you're an idiot but you can't be this stupid?

There are dozens of variables that may need to be taken into consideration but that would actually require you to use your brain for research before talking shit. There is not enough data on that first page, and especially your simple math, to say any fucking thing one way or another.

You tried to take a very complex issue and dumb it down to multiplication and division. Now you are trying to justify that stance?

"Job calculations are based on the number of hours worked in a quarter and funded under the Recovery Act. "

What does this mean?

That's one of possibly thousands of variables. I know for fact that you don't know a fucking thing about this but saw an easy (to you) jab at Obama.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I would put my mind against yours any day of the week.

Just a heads up.

Judging by your posts, let me do some hard drugs and then it'll be an even contest.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I know you're an idiot but you can't be this stupid?

There are dozens of variables that may need to be taken into consideration but that would actually require you to use your brain for research before talking shit. There is not enough data on that first page, and especially your simple math, to say any fucking thing one way or another.

You tried to take a very complex issue and dumb it down to multiplication and division. Now you are trying to justify that stance?

"Job calculations are based on the number of hours worked in a quarter and funded under the Recovery Act. "

What does this mean?

That's one of possibly thousands of variables. I know for fact that you don't know a fucking thing about this but saw an easy (to you) jab at Obama.

Must be tough being blinded by your own brilliance that you can't see the truth, what a fucking looser!

Simple, Obama wanted the money to create jobs, that's what each job cost the tax payer
$715K




But go ahead, bring in the fuzzy math.


"Job calculations are based on the number of hours worked in a quarter and funded under the Recovery Act. " is full of variables, that's how they determined how many jobs were created you fucktard, LMAO

682,370 at a cost of $715k each

[The Demon]

Don't argue with stocktrader. The guy is beyond incompetent.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by epitome

I wonder if Obama uses FrontPage or Dreamweaver? I bet he hand codes!

I think he does it on his Black Berry
But if you don't remember, that website was promised when he passed the stimulus, which I'm surprised he kept that promise

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

according to http://recovery.gov
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was $787 Billion
488 billion has been distributed
Recovery funded jobs reported by recipients is 682,370

so lets do the math, that's $715,154 per job? Is my math correct?

wouldn't it be better to just cut a check to all the people out of work for $100k?

488,000,000,000/682,370=715,154

They could have dispersed that money to all Americans (in the beginning) and the economy would have prospered, but the corrupt government gave it to the corrupt companies ;)

Maybe we should stop worrying about 3rd world shit holes and keep our money at home.

After all, charity begins at home, not in some other country.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Don't argue with stocktrader. The guy is beyond incompetent.

And he comes into a debate cussing and name calling and gets really pissed if he doesn't get respect back, I believe he's in the top 3 biggest morons on the forum

I'm all for some debate, but he's too easy

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

And he comes into a debate cussing and name calling and gets really pissed if he doesn't get respect back, I believe he's in the top 3 biggest morons on the forum

I'm all for some debate, but he's too easy

That's the beauty about liberals in the porn industry. They have no understanding of arguments, common sense, or facts whatsoever so they can make up their own bullshit and post it and then feel better about themselves. And then they wonder why they design galleries for a living.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

They could have dispersed that money to all Americans (in the beginning) and the economy would have prospered, but the corrupt government gave it to the corrupt companies ;)

Maybe we should stop worrying about 3rd world shit holes and keep our money at home.

After all, charity begins at home, not in some other country.

I totally agree, I don't know why we are in two wars, no reason I can see, they don't have weapons that can harm us and if they got them, we could just nuke them or send arms to Israel and let them do it.

All this and ranchers aren't safe along the border with Mexico, very sad

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Don't argue with stocktrader. The guy is beyond incompetent.

Dear fucking idiot, I am smarter than you in every measurable way. For the right price I would happily prove this to you.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Must be tough being blinded by your own brilliance that you can't see the truth, what a fucking looser!

Simple, Obama wanted the money to create jobs, that's what each job cost the tax payer
$715K

But go ahead, bring in the fuzzy math.

"Job calculations are based on the number of hours worked in a quarter and funded under the Recovery Act. " is full of variables, that's how they determined how many jobs were created you fucktard, LMAO

682,370 at a cost of $715k each

You are the one with the fuzzy math you ignorant piece of fucking shit. I'll try to make this as simple as I can for you but I already know from experience that you won't understand a single thing posted here.

The stimulus money is broken down into 3 sections.

1) Entitlements
2) Tax Benefits
3) Contracts / Grants / Loans

Since I don't have all day to educated an uneducated fucking moron I'm going to touch on number 3.

Contracts - A $3,000,000 contract might require $2,900,000 in fucking materials and create 2 jobs at $50,000 per year. You screaming that each job costs $1,500,000 ignores the fact that these are jobs that need to be done any fucking how. Upgrading our infrastructure is long overdue and is going to cost money no matter what you call the fucking bill that got the funds approved.

Grants - Obvious what this is to anyone with a brain. These are not expected to show an immediate fucking return on jobs. They are to help establish new businesses or allow existing businesses to expand. The benefits from this goes well into the future, how many jobs will these businesses create over the next 10 or 100 years? It will be many more than they created the month they got their fucking check in the mail.

Loans - Yes, because someone like you is stupid enough to count money loaned out as a cost of creating new jobs. Will it be paid back? If so, how much? Is there interest?

You don't know shit. Your dumbing down of the information to say "LOL every job cost a billion dollars!" is shortsighted, retarded and impossible to discern from the data you provided. You have taken the barest of 'facts' from the list and tried to twist them to make a point.

You fail, whether you realize it or not.

Idiot extremist.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I totally agree, I don't know why we are in two wars, no reason I can see, they don't have weapons that can harm us and if they got them, we could just nuke them or send arms to Israel and let them do it.

All this and ranchers aren't safe along the border with Mexico, very sad

We do a better job of securing others borders than our own...very sad. The ranchers need to arm them selves to the hilt and take them down when they trespass. It is real easy to dispose of a body in the desert....plenty of mine shafts ;)

Personally, I could give two shits about 3rd world crap holes. We need to bring our guys home and take care of business here first, then worry about anyone else if any money is left ;)

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by The Demon

That's the beauty about liberals in the porn industry. They have no understanding of arguments, common sense, or facts whatsoever so they can make up their own bullshit and post it and then feel better about themselves. And then they wonder why they design galleries for a living.

I'm not going to argue with people just because they are liberal, I have some liberal views myself, but when it comes to Jobs and the economy, Obama has it wrong.

It's kinda funny that most conservatives have kept quiet for many many years and it's always been the liberals that have done most of the protesting, now that conservative groups are springing up protesting out of control liberal spending, the liberals don't know how to handle it, so they call them names and accuse them of being racist, or blaming people that haven't been in office for 20 months,pretty sad

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Dear fucking idiot, I am smarter than you in every measurable way. For the right price I would happily prove this to you.

That's the beauty about liberals in the porn industry. They have no understanding of arguments, common sense, or facts whatsoever so they can make up their own bullshit and post it and then feel better about themselves. And then they wonder why they design galleries for a living.

^Like clockwork. That's how easy it is to deal with a stupid liberal in the porn industry.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

And he comes into a debate cussing and name calling and gets really pissed if he doesn't get respect back, I believe he's in the top 3 biggest morons on the forum

I'm all for some debate, but he's too easy

I will always call a spade a spade, that is me. You are an idiotic piece of shit that is just stupid enough to think he has a clue about anything.

You don't, I will let you know whenever I see you posting nonsense. It won't help you but the next person to read the thread won't be left with a one sided argument from a moronic piece of shit.

Cheers

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm not going to argue with people just because they are liberal, I have some liberal views myself, but when it comes to Jobs and the economy, Obama has it wrong.

I wasn't saying all liberals are stupid although a huge majority are, I was saying that all the liberals on this forum are stupid as they can't accept facts, purposely misinterpret facts that don't support their views, and then embarrass themselves by rationalizing and lying to themselves.

It's kinda funny that most conservatives have kept quiet for many many years and it's always been the liberals that have done most of the protesting, now that conservative groups are springing up protesting out of control liberal spending, the liberals don't know how to handle it, so they call them names and accuse them of being racist, or blaming people that haven't been in office for 20 months,pretty sad

HIstorically speaking, modern liberals are a hell of a lot louder than conservatives which is why it seems that there are a LOT of them. But when push comes to shove, liberals crawl back in their holes of ridicule and stay there for an extended period of time.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Dear fucking idiot, I am smarter than you in every measurable way. For the right price I would happily prove this to you.



You are the one with the fuzzy math you ignorant piece of fucking shit. I'll try to make this as simple as I can for you but I already know from experience that you won't understand a single thing posted here.

The stimulus money is broken down into 3 sections.

1) Entitlements
2) Tax Benefits
3) Contracts / Grants / Loans

Since I don't have all day to educated an uneducated fucking moron I'm going to touch on number 3.

Contracts - A $3,000,000 contract might require $2,900,000 in fucking materials and create 2 jobs at $50,000 per year. You screaming that each job costs $1,500,000 ignores the fact that these are jobs that need to be done any fucking how. Upgrading our infrastructure is long overdue and is going to cost money no matter what you call the fucking bill that got the funds approved.

Grants - Obvious what this is to anyone with a brain. These are not expected to show an immediate fucking return on jobs. They are to help establish new businesses or allow existing businesses to expand. The benefits from this goes well into the future, how many jobs will these businesses create over the next 10 or 100 years? It will be many more than they created the month they got their fucking check in the mail.

Loans - Yes, because someone like you is stupid enough to count money loaned out as a cost of creating new jobs. Will it be paid back? If so, how much? Is there interest?

You don't know shit. Your dumbing down of the information to say "LOL every job cost a billion dollars!" is shortsighted, retarded and impossible to discern from the data you provided. You have taken the barest of 'facts' from the list and tried to twist them to make a point.

You fail, whether you realize it or not.

Idiot extremist.

so your saying that 488,000,000,000 dollars created 682,370 jobs at a cost on average of$715,154 per person, ok, LMAO Trolling at it's best

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I will always call a spade a spade, that is me. You are an idiotic piece of shit that is just stupid enough to think he has a clue about anything.

You don't, I will let you know whenever I see you posting nonsense. It won't help you but the next person to read the thread won't be left with a one sided argument from a moronic piece of shit.

Cheers

Hahaha look at this mentally retarded child go! Everyone else is stupid yet he can't explain why. He is smart yet he can't explain why. His views are right yet he can't explain why. Ah the joys of arguing with a retarded social outcast.. LOL@Idiot extremist ROFL

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

so your saying that 488,000,000,000 dollars created 682,370 jobs at a cost on average of$715,154 per person, ok, LMAO Trolling at it's best

He's disguising his stupidity by the name "stocktrader" ROFL.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I will always call a spade a spade, that is me. You are an idiotic piece of shit that is just stupid enough to think he has a clue about anything.

You don't, I will let you know whenever I see you posting nonsense. It won't help you but the next person to read the thread won't be left with a one sided argument from a moronic piece of shit.

Cheers

Thanx for proving my point

[Pics Traffic]

You two should mate and make beautiful babies for Republican party.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Slow Roosevelt

You two should mate and make beautiful babies for Republican party.

Whatever slows down the national joke that is the Democratic Party

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Whatever slows down the national joke that is the Democratic Party

Ignore the tranny, it never has anything to offer to the discussion

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Ignore the tranny, it never has anything to offer to the discussion

Oh good, I thought my eyes needed some checking. Imagine a tranny trying to sound intelligent. That's hilarious.

[BlackCrayon]

so you basing this on the immediate results? seems reasonable...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

They could have dispersed that money to all Americans (in the beginning) and the economy would have prospered, but the corrupt government gave it to the corrupt companies ;)

Maybe we should stop worrying about 3rd world shit holes and keep our money at home.

After all, charity begins at home, not in some other country.

US bailouts prevented 1930s-style Great Depression say economists

New study by economists Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder says US economic stimulus averted a worse downturn

To Washington conservatives they were egregious examples of "big government" overreach, but the White House's economic stimulus and bailout policies have saved 8.5m jobs and averted a further slump of 6.5% in US economic output, according to a study by two influential economists.

An in-depth modelling exercise by Moody's chief economist, Mark Zandi, and a Princeton University expert, Alan Blinder, paints a bleak scenario of a 1930s-style Great Depression if the US government had enacted none of its $1.7tn (£1.3tn) programmes to avert a financial meltdown.

Using historical statistical relationships and a focus on the government's impact on narrowing credit spreads, the pair found that the downturn would have continued into 2011, with unemployment peaking at 16.5% rather than last year's actual high of 10.1%.

They believe US gross domestic product would have slumped by 7.4% in 2009 and by 3.7% in 2010, producing a "peak to trough" decline of 12%, rather than the anticipated 4%. Starved of demand, shops and employers would be cutting prices and wages.

"With outright deflation in prices and wages in 2009 to 2011, this dark scenario constitutes a 1930s-like depression," says the study, entitled How the great recession was brought to an end".

Thwarting stiff opposition from Republicans in Congress, the Obama administration introduced an economic stimulus package of more than $780bn last year, adding to giveaways of $170bn by the Bush administration in 2008 that included tax refunds to tens of millions of Americans. Adding in banking-bailout measures of $600bn and smaller programmes such as the "cash for clunkers" scheme and a rescue of insurer AIG, total commitments by the US government reach $1.7tn.


rest here


yep, that is THE solution .....

don't expect debate on this, no more then in this thread ..
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=980158&page=2

Time for you to start another thread , free of facys and ready for more talking points...

As for your job calculation, you are to say the least simplistic ....

[Pics Traffic]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Oh good, I thought my eyes needed some checking. Imagine a tranny trying to sound intelligent. That's hilarious.

How often do you talk to avatars?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

US bailouts prevented 1930s-style Great Depression say economists

New study by economists Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder says US economic stimulus averted a worse downturn

To Washington conservatives they were egregious examples of "big government" overreach, but the White House's economic stimulus and bailout policies have saved 8.5m jobs and averted a further slump of 6.5% in US economic output, according to a study by two influential economists.

An in-depth modelling exercise by Moody's chief economist, Mark Zandi, and a Princeton University expert, Alan Blinder, paints a bleak scenario of a 1930s-style Great Depression if the US government had enacted none of its $1.7tn (£1.3tn) programmes to avert a financial meltdown.

Using historical statistical relationships and a focus on the government's impact on narrowing credit spreads, the pair found that the downturn would have continued into 2011, with unemployment peaking at 16.5% rather than last year's actual high of 10.1%.

They believe US gross domestic product would have slumped by 7.4% in 2009 and by 3.7% in 2010, producing a "peak to trough" decline of 12%, rather than the anticipated 4%. Starved of demand, shops and employers would be cutting prices and wages.

"With outright deflation in prices and wages in 2009 to 2011, this dark scenario constitutes a 1930s-like depression," says the study, entitled How the great recession was brought to an end".

Thwarting stiff opposition from Republicans in Congress, the Obama administration introduced an economic stimulus package of more than $780bn last year, adding to giveaways of $170bn by the Bush administration in 2008 that included tax refunds to tens of millions of Americans. Adding in banking-bailout measures of $600bn and smaller programmes such as the "cash for clunkers" scheme and a rescue of insurer AIG, total commitments by the US government reach $1.7tn.


rest here


yep, that is THE solution .....

don't expect debate on this, no more then in this thread ..
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=980158&page=2

Time for you to start another thread , free of facys and ready for more talking points...

As for your job calculation, you are to say the least simplistic ....

Not all economist believe that, they blame the bailouts as you call it for prolonging the great depression

[The Demon]

I love it how directfiesta finds only ONE source to support his view and says that's it. Idiocy at its finest. TO those who understand economics, it was government intervention that prolonged the Great Depression.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not all economist believe that, they blame the bailouts as you call it for prolonging the great depression

It is just a given that "experts" in any field will not be in total agreement...one in power that has to make decisions has to rely upon the consensus of the "experts".

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

so you basing this on the immediate results? seems reasonable...

Actually a couple of months ago the number was around $450k per job. It is getting worse not better.

And Obama said this is "The Summer Of Recovery"

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

It is just a given that "experts" in any field will not be in total agreement...one in power that has to make decisions has to rely upon the consensus of the "experts".

wish that were true, but the experts are, well lets say a disappointment?

[theking]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Actually a couple of months ago the number was around $450k per job. It is getting worse not better.

One can not break it down to cost per created job...it is more complex than that. Any time that large of an additional amount of money is introduced into the economy to be circulated it not only creates jobs but also save jobs...and one can only make an educated guess at how many jobs were created and how many jobs were saved. The Democrats and the Republicans will always deny the numbers presented...no matter who presents the numbers.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I love it how directfiesta finds only ONE source to support his view and says that's it. Idiocy at its finest. TO those who understand economics, it was government intervention that prolonged the Great Depression.

same with news sources, they only pick those that conform to their beliefs

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

One can not break it down to cost per created job...it is more complex than that. Any time that large of an additional amount of money is introduced into the economy to be circulated it not only creates jobs but also save jobs...and one can only make an educated guess at how many jobs were created and how many jobs were saved. The Democrats and the Republicans will always deny the numbers presented...no matter who presents the numbers.

Yeah but the numbers presented is the ones presented by the current administration, not the GOP.
The numbers on that site have in no way bias from the GOP, it's all numbers from the Obamanation

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by theking

One can not break it down to cost per created job...it is more complex than that. Any time that large of an additional amount of money is introduced into the economy to be circulated it not only creates jobs but also save jobs...and one can only make an educated guess at how many jobs were created and how many jobs were saved. The Democrats and the Republicans will always deny the numbers presented...no matter who presents the numbers.

Well we are using the governments own numbers it is costing more to create jobs, and along with the GDP going down 1+% proves the point. Real unemployment rising, gdp slowing it is becoming clear the stimulus is not working and the promised "Summer Of Recovery" is not here.