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brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

The Arizona law does more than reinforce it...if the law is approved by the Supreme Court...which I do not think that it will be when it gets to them in a year or so...the Arizona law makes an illegal immigrant subject to a state law and they can be arrested/convicted and put in jail...simply for being an illegal immigrant.

The Arizona law does not provide the state with the power to deport (as only the federal government can deport but the federal government cannot arrest/convict and incarcerate someone simply for being an illegal immigrant...the federal government can temporarily incarcerate only for the purpose of deportation)...it only gives the state the power to arrest/convict and incarcerate.

If the law is not found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court...that would not be politics as usual but the Supreme Court doing its job.

right but just turning them over to ice is bullshit. so they can get more cash and enter again with no punishment. there has to be a law put in place just like a person that keeps driving on a suspended license. prison!

Vendzilla · 07-28-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

The Arizona law does more than reinforce it...if the law is approved by the Supreme Court...which I do not think that it will be when it gets to them in a year or so...the Arizona law makes an illegal immigrant subject to a state law and they can be arrested/convicted and put in jail...simply for being an illegal immigrant.

The Arizona law does not provide the state with the power to deport (as only the federal government can deport but the federal government cannot arrest/convict and incarcerate someone simply for being an illegal immigrant...the federal government can temporarily incarcerate only for the purpose of deportation)...it only gives the state the power to arrest/convict and incarcerate.

If the law is not found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court...that would not be politics as usual but the Supreme Court doing its job.

Which is why ICE has been stepping up arrests lately, to prove to Joe American that the Obama Nation hears the citizens and is doing something about it. Not enough for me, I want a secure border. Of course it could be argued that then they would have to do the same with Canada, my answer would be they are not the problem

Same in Afghanistan, the biggest problems it seems is other countries are sending reinforcements to fight the US troops across a border that's not secure.
We should pull out the troops in the two wars and send them to the border, I know that's a very liberal thing to suggest we stop a war just like that, but it only makes sense, then we have enough man power to secure the border and protect the citizens in the border states. Give the working aliens an avenue to citizenship, we can't send them back, and that would most every citizen happy, maybe not 100%, but better than most ideas.

If later Iran threatens the US with nukes, we'll just tell Israel to take care of it, end of story

theking · 07-28-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

right but just turning them over to ice is bullshit. so they can get more cash and enter again with no punishment. there has to be a law put in place just like a person that keeps driving on a suspended license. prison!

Well...as I read the Constitution...the power to make law involving immigrants...legal or otherwise...lies with the Congress and not with the states...which is why I suspect that the Supreme Court will find the Arizona law to be unconstitutional.

It would seem to me that people should be lobbying the hell out of their Congressmen and Senators...if they want something done.

theking · 07-28-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Which is why ICE has been stepping up arrests lately, to prove to Joe American that the Obama Nation hears the citizens and is doing something about it. Not enough for me, I want a secure border. Of course it could be argued that then they would have to do the same with Canada, my answer would be they are not the problem

Same in Afghanistan, the biggest problems it seems is other countries are sending reinforcements to fight the US troops across a border that's not secure.
We should pull out the troops in the two wars and send them to the border, I know that's a very liberal thing to suggest we stop a war just like that, but it only makes sense, then we have enough man power to secure the border and protect the citizens in the border states. Give the working aliens an avenue to citizenship, we can't send them back, and that would most every citizen happy, maybe not 100%, but better than most ideas.

If later Iran threatens the US with nukes, we'll just tell Israel to take care of it, end of story

I too...would like to see our borders secured...I personally find it difficult to believe (in fact I find it to be unbelievable) that this was not a priority after 9/11...but it wasn't and apparently still isn't...but the problem here is...it seems to me that the Constitution places the power to secure the borders in the hands of Congress and not the states. That is why the Feds have challenged the Arizona law in court and it will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court...and my guess is that Arizona will lose in the Supreme Court.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well...as I read the Constitution...the power to make law involving immigrants...legal or otherwise...lies with the Congress and not with the states...which is why I suspect that the Supreme Court will find the Arizona law to be unconstitutional.

It would seem to me that people should be lobbying the hell out of their Congressmen and Senators...if they want something done.

I am sure it will end up there as this is a very heated topic around the nation and other states feel as we do.

As for writing congressmen ans senators, we are left with nothing but the worst. McCain was all for amnesty last term around and felt they should all stay. Now he has commercials that he has confronted the president for not doing his job, when in fact it was Jane Brewer that did this and he is against illegal immigration now...what I am getting at is McCain is a flip flopper and so are the others that represent the state. I just used him as one example.

On another note, earlier you had mentioned that Joe was under investigation and his hands were tied according to 287(g) that was placed on hold...
I think Joe is still doing business as usual because he locks them up at this time(which skits the law, but it is legal) and they stay there until trial date.

I know he used to bus and fly them to the border patrol down south, who would then release them on the other side of the border after processing or he would wait for Border Patrol to come pick them up in town, which took hours sometimes.

I tried to find information pertaining to his raids and 287(g), but could not come up with a better guesstimate than what I mentioned above. I guess we will see what he does tomorrow...who knows at this point.

brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Well...as I read the Constitution...the power to make law involving immigrants...legal or otherwise...lies with the Congress and not with the states...which is why I suspect that the Supreme Court will find the Arizona law to be unconstitutional.

It would seem to me that people should be lobbying the hell out of their Congressmen and Senators...if they want something done.

the government doesn't protect us. that's why the law was constructed. Breaking news two phoenix police shot probably illegals.

HighEnergy · 07-28-2010, 08:49 PM

OK, once any illegal immigrant perchance gets booked for an offense they are fingerprinted at the time of their arrest. THEN, if they enter the US a 2nd time and somehow get booked again they are then a felon. END OF STORY. At that point they have NO chance of applying for US citizenship.

I think AZ will win the situation one way or another. With or without the Feds doing their sworn obligatory job. The States comprise the Federal entity, not the other way around. This is a classic example of 'the tail waging the dog' IMO.

In the past weeks I have seen endless film clips of illegal immigrants crying (literally) and boo-hooing about having to leave Arizona. Living here from 2 to 20+ years. Well cry me a fucking river your thieving, resource sucking freeloading fucks.

After a few years of being here sucking up American resources you mooching bums MIGHT try to become legal, you MIGHT try to learn English, you MIGHT attempt to assimilate into our American lifestyle.

And on my watch, don't you EVER fly your shitty ass wiping Mexican flag above the Stars'n'Stripes.

O-fucking-Bama is begging for a vigilante response.
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brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 09:12 PM

the government is using a Bullying‎ tactic shit isnt going to work.

directfiesta · 07-28-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iseeyou

That's simply how racist,xenophobic Americans greet foreigners. It's normal for them.

wow .... can't not notice all the stars and stripes ....

directfiesta · 07-28-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Which is why ICE has been stepping up arrests lately, to prove to Joe American that the Obama Nation hears the citizens and is doing something about it. Not enough for me, I want a secure border. Of course it could be argued that then they would have to do the same with Canada, my answer would be they are not the problem

Same in Afghanistan, the biggest problems it seems is other countries are sending reinforcements to fight the US troops across a border that's not secure.
We should pull out the troops in the two wars and send them to the border, I know that's a very liberal thing to suggest we stop a war just like that, but it only makes sense, then we have enough man power to secure the border and protect the citizens in the border states. Give the working aliens an avenue to citizenship, we can't send them back, and that would most every citizen happy, maybe not 100%, but better than most ideas.

If later Iran threatens the US with nukes, we'll just tell Israel to take care of it, end of story

You forgot North Korea ....

charlie g · 07-28-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HighEnergy

OK, once any illegal immigrant perchance gets booked for an offense they are fingerprinted at the time of their arrest. THEN, if they enter the US a 2nd time and somehow get booked again they are then a felon. END OF STORY. At that point they have NO chance of applying for US citizenship.

I think AZ will win the situation one way or another. With or without the Feds doing their sworn obligatory job. The States comprise the Federal entity, not the other way around. This is a classic example of 'the tail waging the dog' IMO.

In the past weeks I have seen endless film clips of illegal immigrants crying (literally) and boo-hooing about having to leave Arizona. Living here from 2 to 20+ years. Well cry me a fucking river your thieving, resource sucking freeloading fucks.

After a few years of being here sucking up American resources you mooching bums MIGHT try to become legal, you MIGHT try to learn English, you MIGHT attempt to assimilate into our American lifestyle.

And on my watch, don't you EVER fly your shitty ass wiping Mexican flag above the Stars'n'Stripes.

O-fucking-Bama is begging for a vigilante response.
</rant>

I agree with you except one point. They fought a war about this 150 years ago and the states' rights crowd lost.

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HighEnergy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 806	OK, once any illegal immigrant perchance gets booked for an offense they are fingerprinted at the time of their arrest. THEN, if they enter the US a 2nd time and somehow get booked again they are then a felon. END OF STORY. At that point they have NO chance of applying for US citizenship. I think AZ will win the situation one way or another. With or without the Feds doing their sworn obligatory job. The States comprise the Federal entity, not the other way around. This is a classic example of 'the tail waging the dog' IMO. In the past weeks I have seen endless film clips of illegal immigrants crying (literally) and boo-hooing about having to leave Arizona. Living here from 2 to 20+ years. Well cry me a fucking river your thieving, resource sucking freeloading fucks. After a few years of being here sucking up American resources you mooching bums MIGHT try to become legal, you MIGHT try to learn English, you MIGHT attempt to assimilate into our American lifestyle. And on my watch, don't you EVER fly your shitty ass wiping Mexican flag above the Stars'n'Stripes. O-fucking-Bama is begging for a vigilante response. </rant>