They make them prove they have an ID, and not a single one I have talked to has a problem with that, and not all are citizens but they are here legally.

When I was in Canada, working legally. I was pulled over, and was asked if I had a passport or visa, after I gave them my ID. As well Immigration visited our office, make sure my papers were up to date.

If my papers weren't correct, they would have criminally charged the owners.

You do realize your laws are much like AZ's right?

you do huh? you are such a yippy lap dog sometimes. when was the last time you looked around and saw all the undocumented workers filling positions in society that american's are too fucking lazy to do. you should get more educated before you open your trap.

that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about the FULL confirmation that they are citizens

remember, identity fraud.. just cause they have the ol'D.L. means they have to provide more than the one document for identification

Don't even try, he won't get it...I am sure of that.

no, I got what you were insinuating, that all hispanics are here illegally, which i dead wrong. The plain fact i that many illegals work for cash money, and do not pay taxes.

funny, when i was in AZ they could have cared less for my passport

How about all the Companies they bust that hire illegals that are using fake ID's to get the job? Do you not think Americans would fill those jobs?

In Oklahoma they made it Criminal to hire illegals, the illegals left the State and the Citizens took the jobs back. That's right, it didn't hurt the construction, labor, housing, farmers, etc. - Because Americans took the jobs.

You should try reading up before you make yourself look stupid again.

i'm not insinuating anything, i just sent some stats showing that for the majority of the Hispanic population, business is booming

he stated they were on welfare

his opinion and government census seem to clash

That's logical... the law isn't going yet. But that still doesn't change the fact that they do in Canada. Something your against, which your Country does.

Why would they care about your passport? Passports are checked when you leave the country or enter it. And I am sure you had to show some ID to get your tickets or board the plane.

If you get pulled over here, you better have some sort of ID if you are driving or your going to tent city

actually i don't have much problem checking for citizenship of a country.. i initially said months ago, that all that needed to happen was a sensitivity school needed to be set up for Canadians, and you guys were in the clear

however, since this is more about mexicans than immigration

here we are

wouldn't that happen anyway?

You make no sense. What does that mean?

It's not about Mexicans, it's about Illegals which more happen to be Mexicans here. I'm sure all those Mexican-Americans that helped create the law are.. racist, I mean.. that's logical. And the majority of the state being Mexican-American and the majority of the State supporting it, crazy I know... all that self racism.

And the Police here are going through training... no worries.

Your Immigration laws are more about Asians, for damn sure in BC... what's the issue with ours?

well driving without a license would result in:

having your car towed

going to jail

going home then to the police station with said license to avoid ticket

again, the problem here is racial discrimination

no one can offer up a solution on how a police officer distinguishes between an American Hispanic and an Illegal Hispanic.

Oh I know, I know... they do it exactly like they do it now! The police do bust illegals now, they just call ICE to take them away rather than booking them. It's not like the police officer didn't know the person was illegal, or they wouldn't have called ICE.

I would also bet it's much like Canadian Police knew I was American, they asked for an ID and I gave them one. However they didn't know I was working, yet asked if I had a Visa/Passport as well. Or I bet it's the same way they know an Asian is illegal in Cananda, they ask for an ID and papers.

Then what was your point in making this comment

You act as if you were pulled over or did something wrong and they did not care about your ID/passport which also makes no sense......

they took my bc driver license..

All my Mexican friends have drivers licenses, even a couple from Guatemala, they don't need affidavits

I focus on the present, it's not what happened in the past, it's about what's Barry doing to fix it!

a system of checks and balances..

anyways, i guess i obviously will never get it

and either will the US Federal government for that matter

best of luck!

You mean like the lawsuits going on?

Or the legal system all illegals go through before deported to make sure they're illegal?

Logically the American/legal person is going to say they are, have a reason for the lost id, papers, passport or tell where they are. Give an address, work location, relatives, a phone number, maybe even a bill.

Personally, I would laugh at the person that didn't say anything and tell them they deserved it for being stupid.


The Fed Gov will get it once the State wins the Lawsuit.

Arizona took your drivers license? If you did not have that, they would want your passport ;)

wilcox is a nasty fat nasty :2 cents:

im all fo the law and support it 100%. when i travel and when i lived legally in other countries i ALWAYS carried proof of citizenship, whether that be a passport or a visa. I would never even contemplate leaving home without my ID and would not be offended if asked to show it in another country, or my own.

to have a great nation you have to protect it, or you lose it. besides, if you're here legally, is it really a bother to show your ID? you have to go to a bar, buy a drink, buy cigaretes, fly on a plane and tons of other shit.

how this is even an argument in america is proof enough to me that this country is fucked. my ancestors came here legally. how that process works may have changed but thats life.

I don't think there are too many Americans left who gives a fuck about the federal government or what they think.

They are the key failure in the illegal immigration issue.

The constitution in Article I, Section 8 in creating the authority of the Congress, ?To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.? Thus from a Constitutional stand point it is the responsibility of Congress to establish all laws and rules of naturalization or immigration...not the states.

Ultimately it will be the Supreme Court that decides...if states have the power to pass laws that involve immigration...be it legal or illegal immigration.

As a believer in the constitution you should be pleased that our courts have a review process and that the Supreme Court decides what is constitutional and what isn't.

that being said, they have set the rules, they are called illegal for a reason, they violate federal rule and law by not being here legally, the Arizona law only reinforces it.
It's also the sanctuary cities that are violating those rules, Arizona is being hammered because of political reasons.

If ultimately the law is turned down it will serve one thing that the citizens are fed up with politics as usual, which has become a trend

The Arizona law does more than reinforce it...if the law is approved by the Supreme Court...which I do not think that it will be when it gets to them in a year or so...the Arizona law makes an illegal immigrant subject to a state law and they can be arrested/convicted and put in jail...simply for being an illegal immigrant.

The Arizona law does not provide the state with the power to deport (as only the federal government can deport but the federal government cannot arrest/convict and incarcerate someone simply for being an illegal immigrant...the federal government can temporarily incarcerate only for the purpose of deportation)...it only gives the state the power to arrest/convict and incarcerate.

If the law is not found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court...that would not be politics as usual but the Supreme Court doing its job...which is to decide what local...county...state...federal laws are constitutional or not.

right but just turning them over to ice is bullshit. so they can get more cash and enter again with no punishment. there has to be a law put in place just like a person that keeps driving on a suspended license. prison!

Which is why ICE has been stepping up arrests lately, to prove to Joe American that the Obama Nation hears the citizens and is doing something about it. Not enough for me, I want a secure border. Of course it could be argued that then they would have to do the same with Canada, my answer would be they are not the problem

Same in Afghanistan, the biggest problems it seems is other countries are sending reinforcements to fight the US troops across a border that's not secure.
We should pull out the troops in the two wars and send them to the border, I know that's a very liberal thing to suggest we stop a war just like that, but it only makes sense, then we have enough man power to secure the border and protect the citizens in the border states. Give the working aliens an avenue to citizenship, we can't send them back, and that would most every citizen happy, maybe not 100%, but better than most ideas.

If later Iran threatens the US with nukes, we'll just tell Israel to take care of it, end of story

Well...as I read the Constitution...the power to make law involving immigrants...legal or otherwise...lies with the Congress and not with the states...which is why I suspect that the Supreme Court will find the Arizona law to be unconstitutional.

It would seem to me that people should be lobbying the hell out of their Congressmen and Senators...if they want something done.

I too...would like to see our borders secured...I personally find it difficult to believe (in fact I find it to be unbelievable) that this was not a priority after 9/11...but it wasn't and apparently still isn't...but the problem here is...it seems to me that the Constitution places the power to secure the borders in the hands of Congress and not the states. That is why the Feds have challenged the Arizona law in court and it will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court...and my guess is that Arizona will lose in the Supreme Court.

I am sure it will end up there as this is a very heated topic around the nation and other states feel as we do.

As for writing congressmen ans senators, we are left with nothing but the worst. McCain was all for amnesty last term around and felt they should all stay. Now he has commercials that he has confronted the president for not doing his job, when in fact it was Jane Brewer that did this and he is against illegal immigration now...what I am getting at is McCain is a flip flopper and so are the others that represent the state. I just used him as one example.

On another note, earlier you had mentioned that Joe was under investigation and his hands were tied according to 287(g) that was placed on hold...
I think Joe is still doing business as usual because he locks them up at this time(which skits the law, but it is legal) and they stay there until trial date.

I know he used to bus and fly them to the border patrol down south, who would then release them on the other side of the border after processing or he would wait for Border Patrol to come pick them up in town, which took hours sometimes.

I tried to find information pertaining to his raids and 287(g), but could not come up with a better guesstimate than what I mentioned above. I guess we will see what he does tomorrow...who knows at this point.

the government doesn't protect us. that's why the law was constructed. Breaking news two phoenix police shot probably illegals. :disgust

OK, once any illegal immigrant perchance gets booked for an offense they are fingerprinted at the time of their arrest. THEN, if they enter the US a 2nd time and somehow get booked again they are then a felon. END OF STORY. At that point they have NO chance of applying for US citizenship.

I think AZ will win the situation one way or another. With or without the Feds doing their sworn obligatory job. The States comprise the Federal entity, not the other way around. This is a classic example of 'the tail waging the dog' IMO.

In the past weeks I have seen endless film clips of illegal immigrants crying (literally) and boo-hooing about having to leave Arizona. Living here from 2 to 20+ years. Well cry me a fucking river your thieving, resource sucking freeloading fucks.

After a few years of being here sucking up American resources you mooching bums MIGHT try to become legal, you MIGHT try to learn English, you MIGHT attempt to assimilate into our American lifestyle.

And on my watch, don't you EVER fly your shitty ass wiping Mexican flag above the Stars'n'Stripes.




O-fucking-Bama is begging for a vigilante response.
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the government is using a Bullying‎ tactic shit isnt going to work.

wow .... can't not notice all the stars and stripes ....

You forgot North Korea ....:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh