He can check the status (via ICE) of anyone booked. He can't arrest an illegal for being an illegal, but if they have been booked for some other reason he can check their status. Then once they do their time, pay their fine, they belong to ICE.

I remember prop 187

LA is a sactuary city, I grew up there. I'm moving back soon, get some real mexican food, not the taco bell wanna be shit

That is my understanding...under the 287(g) program...which apparently any law enforcement agency...can work through...but in his case his agency was suspended from the 287(g) program...and he is under investigation...so I am not certain what he can or cannot do now.

Ok, I get what you are saying, but as of yet, I do not know the fine line he has to work within and as I mentioned in my other post, he turns them over to the border patrol as he has in the past and they deal with sending them home. I will see what I can find out about this.
What ever Joe is doing today is working because the feds have not jumped in to stop any of his usual raids. Sending them to tent city or the SB1070 section that was just set up may be the new plan to get around the feds...putting them in jail.

On another note, the AZ law mirrors California and Federal law which the feds have refused to enforce, but I have a feeling when other states jump on board a file suits against the federal government, things will change.

You certainly don't have to be a liberal to believe that it is a good thing that we have in this country a process for subjecting statutes to judicial scrutiny. (And if you work in the porn industry, you sure as shit depend on that process for your continued professional survival.)

Let's suppose that someday in the not too distant future, an anti-gun political action group in some state/municipality or another manages to muster enough signatures to get a measure on the ballot to simply outlaw guns in that state/municipality, and let's say that measure then passes by a popular vote.

Let's further suppose that a federal court then rules that state/municipality's new gun law unconstitutional (which it would be, IMO).

Would you complain that the court in the above hypothetical had violated the will of the people, or would you applaud the court for upholding the Constitution? I suspect you would be glad the court had the authority to review the law, and glad that it overturned it, as I would be.

Judicial review of legislative and/or voter action is a good thing, whether or not you or I like any given decision the courts make.

Do judges sometimes (or even often) rule in ways that are contrary to the intent of the Constitution and/or case law/precedent? Of course! Judges are human, and as such they are subject to biases that can cloud their judgment. This is a big part of the reason why our system has multiple checks and multiple layers of overriding authority built in.

At the end of the day, all we can do is set the system up to strongly discourage judicial bias, and have review of lower courts by higher courts in order to increase the likelihood that we catch and correct instances in which political subjectivity has tainted a given court's/judge's decision.

It ain't perfect.... but if you stack our court system up against that of other countries, I think you'll agree our system comes out of that comparison looking relatively good, really. :2 cents:

It will get going either way... even if they have to clean up a few parts, it will get through.

For the few nut wingers that think left/democrats/liberals, etc don't also support this law, your brain is in backwards again.

irony...

Excellent analogy and excellent critique oi our system.

You nut wringers still haven't figured out what reality is. :(

Damn good read sir. One of the most articulate posts I've ever read here.

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

the idea that i like to be treated the way i treat other people.

you wouldn't have a problem having to prove your citizenship after being pulled over for 'reckless driving'? Ignore the fact that you would never have this problem for a second, and try to think about the ride home in the cop cruiser to prove you are an American.

Driver license is probably fake anyway, dirty biker

i say dirty in a very proverbial sense
i found you clean and well kept

I'm glad to see the bigots and racists are put in their place.

Businesses

1.6 million
The number of Hispanic-owned businesses in 2002.

* Nearly 43% of Hispanic-owned firms operated in construction; administrative and support, and waste management and remediation services; and other services, such as personal services, and repair and maintenance. Retail and wholesale trade accounted for nearly 36% of Hispanic-owned business revenue.
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Counties with the highest number of Hispanic-owned firms were Los Angeles County (188,422); Miami-Dade County (163,187); and Harris County, Texas (61,934).

Triple
The rate of growth of Hispanic-owned businesses between 1997 and 2002 (31%) compared with the national average (10%) for all businesses.

$222 billion
Revenue generated by Hispanic-owned businesses in 2002, up 19% from 1997.

44.6%
. . of all Hispanic-owned firms were owned by Mexicans, Mexican-Americans and Chicanos.

29,168
Number of Hispanic-owned firms with receipts of $1 million or more.

Dang, you do can do quotes and smilies.... you're such a good boy! :thumbsup I would really love more of your brilliant incite, please share away.

Cry proto-rascists, cry. Let the tears stream down your faces.

:thumbsup to justice.

yeah stopping the continued abuse of the system is racist. :1orglaugh

I am sure what you have posted here are stats from "LEGAL" Mexican American?s or Chicanos who own businesses that pay taxes and not "ILLEGAL" Mexican's/Chicanos who mooch and drain the system in each and every state they squat in, along with not paying taxes.

I believe he is referring to ILLEGAL'S that do not pay into the system.

:1orglaugh she knows the law i hope. granting this temp order will calm them. 100 running illegals!

:thumbsup I wish he ran the whole damn thing! That guy is the closest thing we have to an American hero anymore.

Canada ... leading the world in being just north of America.

Outstanding post.... I'm not sure why it was seemingly ignored on this thread, unless it's because it completely negated the immediacy of this entire issue and rendered it to the "wait and see" column.

.:winkwink::thumbsup

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already knew that. i went to the court house. ill be there tomorrow watching people act crazy and get arrested. damn i might even film it. :)

I may run into you...LOL

Sheriff Joe said anyone who tries to block the jail in tomorrows demonstrations will be going to tent city and that he will have 0 tolerance for any civil disorder.

I have a feeling tent city is going to get full real fast.

Oh, it wasn't ignored and it's probably one of the best thought out post I have read in a long time ;)

well, you mean income taxes, as anyone in your country still would pay sales tax

and the reason i posted this was because someone stated that most of the Hispanic population is on welfare

that's unique

Very well said, and I believe in the constitution

Obama restored a requirement that the federal government spend only what it can afford ? a day after authorizing $1.9 trillion more federal debt.

Then when the GOP asked where they are getting the money for extending the unemployment benefits, they were branded the "Party of NO"

At the same time Arizona passes a law by a wide margin to just ask what country are you a citizen of and without even reading the bill, the American voter is ignored by filing a lawsuit against the bill. To me it's as simple as the residents of Arizona want to protect themselves and the Obamanation is telling them they can't do that. Where in the constitution does it say illegal aliens have the right to throw rocks at cops? where does it say that we will provide healthcare for free to anyone that can climb a fence?

And I'm asked why I hate Obama so damn much?

I think it's the job of the president to make sure that the citizens of the US are protected from crime from another country, that's why he sent more troops to Afghanistan isn't it?

Federal Income, Social Security, and State.... Food is not taxed, welfare buys food.

Maybe if things keep going the way they are, Americans will cross the border to the North to have their babies, get free medical care, get jobs and pay no taxes, and over burden the educational system. Then you get to pay more money to support them and to protect their rights.

I think what your missing here is the part "illegal". The constitution protects "American citizens" rights, not Canadians, Mexicans, or any other nationality. This has little to do with skin color, as the "legal" Hispanic immigrants are more pissed than american citizens over illegal immigration. But play the race card because it's popular and makes you seem intellectual.

like during the vietnam war? or more like the underground railroad? i'm confused to which instance you were referring


alright, explain to me clearly how your police officers are going to be able to distinguish between mexican hispanics and amercian hispanics

Thank you!

We have friends that are Mexican and some came with their families years ago "The legal Route" and some that went through the process by themselves....you should hear what they say about the illegals and some of the names are truly funny coming from a Mexican.

We are all affected by the influx of illegal immigrants but the legal Mexican's are losing their jobs to the illegals who will work for nothing.

Drivers license, Visa, ID, fingerprint going thru a database, you pick

Wow, what is wrong with you? This is about illegal immigration... not hispanics. Please understand, this law is about stemming the tsunami of illegals wreaking havoc over the wester/southwestern part of the country (and elsewhere too).

ah, i'm not sure i understand you.. cause that would sound like the distinction has been made

unless you guys have signed affidavits from all your legal mexican friends saying they don't mind proving their citizenship whenever the police see fit

So you hate every President... Not just Obama, that's how you should say it. :2 cents:

you must have missed the message i was responding to

for your quick review:

'Weird, considering the majority of that "population" DOESNT pay taxes..'

you will realize this has nothing to do with you and you should pay attention to the question i just asked

LOL, fucking hypocrite. Burns you up our hippies crossed in the 60's and 70's.


They will distinguish the same way they do everyone else. I MUST carry my driver's license when driving. And I have never gotten pissed when a cop ha asked to see my ID (which has happened many times throughout my life).