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Sly 07-28-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17369976)
are you under the assumption that i have been arguing on the behalf of illegal immigrants this entire time?

I think you like to play devil's advocate and none of us really have any clue what you really think, LOL.

So... does this mean I can still get me some good carne asada when I come down?

Quentin 07-28-2010 12:08 PM

For those of you who are pissed off at the judge, keep in mind that this is just a preliminary ruling, and it was to be expected.

In a challenge to a statute like this, the party bringing the lawsuit always asks for a TRO against enforcement of the law pending adjudication. The court then looks at the statute and the challenge to it, and rules based on whether the plaintiff has a reasonable chance of prevailing at trial. The standard is not all that high, and the court tends to error to the side of caution, particularly when the statute in question is highly controversial, and opposed at the executive level of government.

ANY time the case involves potential for federal preemption of state law, the court is pretty likely to put a TRO against enforcement in place. This is because the feds, historically, have come out on top of such arguments a healthy percentage of the time.

In short, this is a procedural ruling, NOT necessarily an indication of what the court will eventually decide.

It's just judicial business as usual folks, nothing more. In the end, this same court/judge may well rule for Arizona, entirely. This is also Step 1 of MANY to come. Settle in for a long ride... this case is not going to resolve quickly; it is going to be appealed by the losing side (whichever side that turns out to be) every step of the way.

brassmonkey 07-28-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iseeyou (Post 17369967)

are you huffing gold paint? :helpme :1orglaugh makes me laugh

TheSenator 07-28-2010 12:09 PM

Activist Judge has gone rogue!

The right wing child molesters are up in arms and hysterical!!!!

_Richard_ 07-28-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17369988)
I think you like to play devil's advocate and none of us really have any clue what you really think, LOL.

So... does this mean I can still get me some good carne asada when I come down?

i like thinking for myself

keep in mind, i have been called a fucking idiot, a socialist, stupid, for arguing for the rights of american citizens, by american citizens lol

iseeyou 07-28-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370011)
i like thinking for myself

keep in mind, i have been called a fucking idiot, a socialist, stupid, for arguing for the rights of american citizens, by american citizens lol

That's simply how racist,xenophobic Americans greet foreigners. It's normal for them.


Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 17369998)
For those of you who are pissed off at the judge, keep in mind that this is just a preliminary ruling, and it was to be expected.

In a challenge to a statute like this, the party bringing the lawsuit always asks for a TRO against enforcement of the law pending adjudication. The court then looks at the statute and the challenge to it, and rules based on whether the plaintiff has a reasonable chance of prevailing at trial. The standard is not all that high, and the court tends to error to the side of caution, particularly when the statute in question is highly controversial, and opposed at the executive level of government.

ANY time the case involves potential for federal preemption of state law, the court is pretty likely to put a TRO against enforcement in place. This is because the feds, historically, have come out on top of such arguments a healthy percentage of the time.

In short, this is a procedural ruling, NOT necessarily an indication of what the court will eventually decide.

It's just judicial business as usual folks, nothing more. In the end, this same court/judge may well rule for Arizona, entirely. This is also Step 1 of MANY to come. Settle in for a long ride... this case is not going to resolve quickly; it is going to be appealed by the losing side (whichever side that turns out to be) every step of the way.

No doubt this will be a long battle and it will be costly on both sides..... just more additional costs over illegal immigrants.....lovely :disgust

Good thing though, many have fled the state which is a good thing. My Mother in law lives in the burbs of Chicago and said it is getting worse that it ever has been and people are talking about getting them out of there too.

If enough states jump on board and let the feds know they will do the job they are paid to do or the cities will do it for them, may just get things moving along.

TheSenator 07-28-2010 12:30 PM

Rush Limbaugh already spewing that the judge is a Clinton appointee.

Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370011)
i like thinking for myself

keep in mind, i have been called a fucking idiot, a socialist, stupid, for arguing for the rights of american citizens, by american citizens lol

And what do you know about American rights? Please enlighten us all!

Remember this is not Canada :winkwink:

theking 07-28-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17369731)
On another note, one good thing working in our favor is Sheriff Joe. He is till going to conduct raids and toss the fuckers out.

Since he started his raids he has deported over 30,000. I have to laugh when people say it is impossible to deport everyone when in fact I don't think it is. I am sure if every state followed suit it would not take that long.

My Grandmom always told me to watch my pennies and the dollars will take care of them selves.....same principle with deporting illegals...little at a time and numbers will keep rising.

To the best of my knowledge he does not have the legal power to deport anyone...only the Federal Government has that power.

Sly 07-28-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17370053)
And what do you know about American rights? Please enlighten us all!

Remember this is not Canada :winkwink:

Does that mean Canadians have more rights than Americans?

Maybe I should migrate to Canada.

Caligari 07-28-2010 12:35 PM

Fiddy illegals (had to do it)

_Richard_ 07-28-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17370053)
And what do you know about American rights? Please enlighten us all!

Remember this is not Canada :winkwink:

that's a good point, what do i know about american rights

i guess i could quote your founding fathers, but why laugh

i guess i could quote the WW2 propaganda, but why cry

so no, you're right, i have no idea what rights you guys do or don't have

i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on

GrouchyAdmin 07-28-2010 12:39 PM

The biggest issue I have with amnesty is giving a privilege to someone whose first order was to break a law of my country. You do that anywhere else, you get in trouble for it.

So someone pesters you cuz you have a different skin color? Welcome to the fucking world. Deal with it, it's what we've got to live with these days. I dealt with it all of the time with the harassment in Latin America and elsewhere - and ya know what? I didn't fucking bitch and whine that they were infringing on my rights - because in their country, I had none.

Grapesoda 07-28-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17369665)
Just shows you we have lost our right to vote



looks that way.... been that way in LA county for years

Grapesoda 07-28-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370064)



i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on



racism as in anything whites disagree with is racism or racism as in anything non whites want to do and are called on, is racism?

Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17370054)
To the best of my knowledge he does not have the legal power to deport anyone...only the Federal Government has that power.


He does it all the time, and I would assume he is doing it right. Joe always covers his bases and I don't know the full process he goes through, all I know is he sends them home, via plane or bus.

2012 07-28-2010 12:45 PM

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The Demon 07-28-2010 12:45 PM

This isn't a problem. They needed to make the feds look good. It'll be overturned on appeals. The rest of the law goes into effect just fine, so it's still a victory.

Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370064)
that's a good point, what do i know about american rights

i guess i could quote your founding fathers, but why laugh

i guess i could quote the WW2 propaganda, but why cry

so no, you're right, i have no idea what rights you guys do or don't have

i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on

Just what I thought....................................

_Richard_ 07-28-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17370088)
racism as in anything whites disagree with is racism or racism as in anything non whites want to do and are called on, is racism?

racism as in, second class citizens.

have you ever experienced racism? been told you can't marry cause the colour of your skin? fought your way out at the knees cause that was the only way you were going to survive?

you experienced racism?

_Richard_ 07-28-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17370093)
Just what I thought....................................

i was being facetious...............................

The Demon 07-28-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370098)
racism as in, second class citizens.

have you ever experienced racism? been told you can't marry cause the colour of your skin? fought your way out at the knees cause that was the only way you were going to survive?

you experienced racism?

The problem is, morons and liberals abuse the term "racism" to the point where it becomes a meaningless justification.

Caligari 07-28-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012 (Post 17370090)

:1orglaugh so sad, but he still has those scam-tastic Gold Freedom Roosters to sell!

theking 07-28-2010 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17370089)
He does it all the time, and I would assume he is doing it right. Joe always covers his bases and I don't know the full process he goes through, all I know is he sends them home, via plane or bus.

It is my understanding that he...just as any...law enforcement agency can...works through a 287(g) program which is a federal program that allows law enforcement to turn over illegal immigrants who have been arrested/convicted of a crime (other than simply being an illegal immigrant) to the feds for deportation.

Complaints about Arpaio's immigration enforcement tactics led the federal government last October to yank his authority to enforce immigration laws during patrols...and he is currently under federal investigation.

HighEnergy 07-28-2010 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs (Post 17369896)
Gee I wonder why Jan Brewer would want this law? I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that the people who run her campaign lobby for private prisons that stand to fill up once this law goes through. But nahhh she was doing it because she is patriotic. Not because she knows that she can race bait a bunch of xenophobes into legalizing ethnic profiling ....

SB1070 violations are/were all misdemeanors, not prison offenses by any means. I'm guessing Shurf Joe will pick up the pace now.

baddog 07-28-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370064)

i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on

And you wonder why people suggest you are an idiot.

Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17370204)
It is my understanding that he...just as any...law enforcement agency can...works through a 287(g) program which is a federal program that allows law enforcement to turn over illegal immigrants who have been arrested/convicted of a crime (other than simply being an illegal immigrant) to the feds for deportation.

Complaints about Arpaio's immigration enforcement tactics led the federal government last October to yank his authority to enforce immigration laws during patrols...and he is currently under federal investigation.

I don't know the fine lines of his operation. As I recall he always turned them over to the border patrol at the border and they send them home. If anything, it gets the job done.
I heard on the news he is under investigation, but this won't be the first time, nor the last and he always seems to win in the end, so I will place my faith in him instead of the corrupt federal government to get the job done ;)

Nikki_Licks 07-28-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HighEnergy (Post 17370210)
SB1070 violations are/were all misdemeanors, not prison offenses by any means. I'm guessing Shurf Joe will pick up the pace now.

He has plenty of raids scheduled for tomorrow and I am sure he will be successful in rounding up more to send home.

_Richard_ 07-28-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17370226)
And you wonder why people suggest you are an idiot.

a law that only targets a segment of the population that pays taxes isn't racist?

HighEnergy 07-28-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17370092)
This isn't a problem. They needed to make the feds look good. It'll be overturned on appeals. The rest of the law goes into effect just fine, so it's still a victory.

Not what we wanted but certainly not a loss either. It sounded like the wording and phrases of the stricken parts had an impact on the decision.

This is gonna be a long haul, there is an upside though. As long as it's being debated, discussed, appealed, etc the illegals will be running scared. That's a plus for Arizona, not so much for the States they're fleeing to.

brassmonkey 07-28-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370243)
a law that only targets a segment of the population that pays taxes isn't racist?

what is your plan :helpme it targets south americans in Az because they are in violation id say 99.9% of illegals are south american in Az. im not going throught this explanation again :disgust

theking 07-28-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17370237)
He has plenty of raids scheduled for tomorrow and I am sure he will be successful in rounding up more to send home.

I repeat...he cannot deport anyone. He can (or could...before the feds suspended his authority to do so...so I don't know if he still can) through the 287(g) program turn over to the feds those illegal immigrants that have been arrested/convicted of a crime (other than simply being an illegal immigrant) to the feds for deportation.

The new Arizona law would not have allowed Arizona to deport anyone for simply being an illegal immigrant...the law simply made it a state law...vs a federal law...to be an illegal immigrant and would have given the state the power to arrest/convict and hold the illegal in jail...but not to deport...as only the feds have the power to deport.

The Demon 07-28-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370243)
a law that only targets a segment of the population that pays taxes isn't racist?


Weird, considering the majority of that "population" DOESNT pay taxes..

baddog 07-28-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17370243)
a law that only targets a segment of the population that pays taxes isn't racist?

Where do you come up with this crap?

Vendzilla 07-28-2010 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 17369893)
Susan Bolton was appointed by Clinton....I bet she is a super duper liberal

So you're saying Liberals are against the power of the Vote?

brassmonkey 07-28-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17370302)
I repeat...he cannot deport anyone. He can (or could...before the feds suspended his authority to do so...so I don't know if he still can) through the 287(g) program turn over to the feds those illegal immigrants that have been arrested/convicted of a crime (other than simply being an illegal immigrant) to the feds for deportation.

The new Arizona law would not have allowed Arizona to deport anyone for simply being an illegal immigrant...the law simply made it a state law...vs a federal law...to be an illegal immigrant and would have given the state the power to arrest/convict and hold the illegal in jail...but not to deport...as only the feds have the power to deport.

sheriff is clever!

"The first thing you need to address if you?re an immigrant with a criminal record is whether or not you?re an illegal or legal immigrant. Generally, if a person has come into the US illegally, they are typically prohibited from applying for US citizenship on this ground alone and may also be subject to deportation. The reason is because illegal immigrants have not only violated US law by coming into the country without authorization, but they?ve also cut in line in front of all those immigrants who have applied for residency through the normal legal immigration process. This process is important to the US because it gives the government a chance to vet all potential immigrants prior to being allowed entry. Though its possible for ICE to choose not to deport an illegal immigrant, such decisions happen very rarely and usually only in extraordinary cases."
read here their just hurting themselves.

theking 07-28-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17370345)
sheriff is clever!

"The first thing you need to address if you’re an immigrant with a criminal record is whether or not you’re an illegal or legal immigrant. Generally, if a person has come into the US illegally, they are typically prohibited from applying for US citizenship on this ground alone and may also be subject to deportation. The reason is because illegal immigrants have not only violated US law by coming into the country without authorization, but they’ve also cut in line in front of all those immigrants who have applied for residency through the normal legal immigration process. This process is important to the US because it gives the government a chance to vet all potential immigrants prior to being allowed entry. Though its possible for ICE to choose not to deport an illegal immigrant, such decisions happen very rarely and usually only in extraordinary cases."
read here their just hurting themselves.

I fail to see how what you posted makes the Sheriff clever...or what it has to do with my post. Care to educate me on both points?

The Demon 07-28-2010 02:20 PM

Ah liberals. The cornerstone of stupidity in this country.

brassmonkey 07-28-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17370372)
I fail to see how what you posted makes the Sheriff clever...or what it has to do with my post. Care to educate me on both points?

when they are captured they are marked. they will never become citizens. sweeping them up puts them in the system so if they try to apply after being deported they can not become a citizen. the ones convicted of felony identity theft are for sure not getting citizenship.


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