Originally Posted by Agent 488

if anyone took paul's advice today they would be living on the street.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

This from a guy who thinks giving away products for free drives an economy. Are you serious?

As for living on the street, I'm not in fact I've made a ton more money than some of the "experts" in this thread. Guys who're are shooting content for $100s when I shot for $1,000s. Guys who have nothing to fall back on because they gave it all away in one off sales.

We soon realised shooting custom lost us money. Why shoot a set for $400 one off when it made more than that in our content stores. Plus what it made in other sales.

Fidler if you think quality porn has anything to do with "full lighting equipment high quality pics and vids" you need to educate yourself. It has nothing to do with that.

Making content to "look like a husband is using a standard £100 camera from the local retail shop to snap his wife" takes skills that have nothing to do with photography. Making a pro model look and act like that wife on video is a lot harder than you think. Selling it for $150 set and video is a fools game and will end up with shooters on the street as Agent 488 advises.

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Over the last 10 years I've listened to the so called experts and watched them decimate an industry. If they were all so bright we would all be making a hell of a lot more money. Can anyone explain why we don't then with all the experts flinging their advice around?

Originally Posted by Fiddler

It's not worth yours or my time, nor others who got involved in this thread to constantly flame, whine or moan about things. In future I would hugely appreciate it that if you can't supply the service I've requested for the amount asked then you just keep out of the thread.

Originally Posted by Peter Romero

1. The "Scenes" are 5 minutes. That's a clip not a "scene" you don't even have to cut!

2. No set-up required. No video lights, no strobes, no hair lights, no nothing.

3. They are solo scenes some POV... it's not a 12 person gang bang, threesome, a glam shoot, or even a boy/girl scene. Can anyone here read?

4. Who the fuck shoots only 1 scene a day? Even mainstream movies do 3-6 pages of script a day. Time is money. If you have too much of both send it my way.

5. My minimum is 1 tape. Whatever I can fit on that tape is the day rate. I always give extras because I'm fuckin cool like that. This is great for repeat business. No need to piggyback here, but I will because I am one ambitious mofo. I gave some shooters in this thread free locations, free stays for weeks on end, free agent fees, super fucking low budget multiple piggybacked scenes days on end worked way below my fucking "RATE". If you are flush now mac daddy - it's time for a little payback. I take cash, check or plastic.

6. If you call yourself a producer in this competetive market you better have some fuckin hustle. Get outta your shooting chair, off GFY half the day, and change the dildo, change the bedspread, move the lights, change her outfit, change the curtains, give some new direction, get creative! Heck... stand up, walk around, shoot from the floor, stand on the couch, walk around the house with the camera on following the model!!! Hike, swim, boat, crawl, climb to your next shoot. Stop being so fucking LAZY!

7. If I do piggyback, I am usually the other client. I own websites - do you? How can you give advice on what the viewer wants to see unless you ask them yourself? What are you risking? Why does your opinion even matter? You're just a hired gun. And you fucking piggyback too - stop lying! And anyone who believes you is just NAIVE!!!

8. This guy pays better than most of the solo amateur sites out there. I know, I've worked for alot of them. And none of them want 1 fucking set of ANY GIRL! It's 5 (sometimes 10!) sets minimum and less than these guys pay for sure. And these are BIG PROGRAMS!!! HUGE!!! And those are pro scenes shot well with all the trimmings. Do they pay too little? No. They pay a competetive rate. And you guys shoot for them too. STFU!

9. Because I am one of the few photographers in this thread that actually has his own websites - I will be hiring people to shoot for my sites as well. Thanks to this thread - it's good to know who is lazy and who still has the HUSTLE!!! But I'm buying as much content as posible for the lowest rate possible while still maintaining the quality. Because my shit is framed, composed, lit, and correct till the last cum shot. I'm a perfectionist no matter what type of a hurry I'm in. Drives Chelsea NUTS!!!

10. If you don't know what you are doing - you cannot undo it. Alot of people are acting all pro-photographer wagging thier dicks around (although I've only seen one of them) but if you are not conscious of what makes your shooting style then it always looks deliberate and FAKE! In mainstream - what makes the scene and the lighting believable is making it look like an accident. But trust me - every swatch of spill light was put there on purpose. But you guys know everything so why am I telling you this? Because someone in the know needs to put your ego in check. I made more per "SCENE", per day, per week and per YEAR and PER CAREER than most of you bragging about it except maybe Paul Markham. And I know what I'm doing enough to Undo it for content that needs to look like it is amateur user submitted material. And I'm not too proud to take smaller jobs when times are hard - you can't save your ass and your face at the same time. No matter what your imaginary rate is today - it doesn't beat my REAL rate from 2 years ago. And I could give 2 shits - I got bills to pay and mouths to feed. Bring it.

Originally Posted by aztecboi2003

Originally Posted by Fiddler

It's not worth yours or my time, nor others who got involved in this thread to constantly flame, whine or moan about things. In future I would hugely appreciate it that if you can't supply the service I've requested for the amount asked then you just keep out of the thread.

Originally Posted by Loch

Fiddler you and your system should be happy, you cant pay for promotion like this