... at $ 150 a pop!

There's the key I think. Obviously it depends where you live, and who you are recruiting from the shoots and from where. If you use model agency pretty hard to shoot cheap, if you recruit off social sites and boards, not unheard of to get girls for a couple shoot at $100 - $250 a pop.

I shot at a convention hotel, got some higher end models for another project at $100 each, and shot like 15 of them over the weekend.


Again, it's all about the market side demand, and you supply side.

As a side note, I'm not the original poster, just following in the thread, I will usually pay $250 to $500 a shoot depending what it is for English speaking girls... from my experience it's hard to get that delivered from the U.S. producers (Doug).

yeah that and access to the girls... I can see a model walking up to a hotel room for $100 when already in the area... models in my area aren't driving across town for $100.

when I was recruiting off social media and ads my shoot failure was very high, over 90% on test shoots, and I can't just shoot any 'pig' that shows up for you either. so I need to see them before I shoot soooooo I can't promise $100 if they come over...

everything is about market supply and demand. maybe the agencies out her in LaLa will figure that out someday as well :winkwink:

my budget break down is like this: 1/3 model cost, 1/3 production cost, 1/3 profit. when it doesn't break down like this, not only am I not making money, I'm paying to shoot. I can't run a biz like that.

now on sex shoots the margins are off, 50% talent and say 25%/25% production cost and profit however the numbers are larger so it's worth it... solo shoots have a much higher net gain however this is the sex business :winkwink:

They won't, they are kinda like the record agencies, they will go down with the ship until it's almost too late because their bloated egos won't let them lower prices to meet market demand.

Here in LA, several of the smaller agencies and one big agency have closed or disappeared over the last year or so. And Lisa Ann is closing her agency, citing the fact that she's too busy being a model to be an agent too.

buy content from poor but white parts of the world where on the girls face you can tell there is a guy standing out of the camera range pointing a gun at her.

What this thread shows is there's not a lot of money to be made in this niche. Affiliates beware.

you are very wrong. If you knew the niche, there's plenty of money to be made and all you have to do is look at what the ad buyers are pushing nowadays, all EXGF/GF stuff and dating, but the biz model especially when it comes to content is verry very different than any other niche. To be a realistic GF/EXGF site you have no use for 30 - 60 min video and 500 pics per set and 5 sets per girl. It's all about making it seem home shot which is typically 20 to 70 pics, and 5 to 20 min of video per shoot, and if you build up too much with 1 girl it loses it's authenticity alot of the times.



Plus in my experience the more qualified and skilled the shooter is, the less realistically home shot the content looks and the less it's worth. I bet you can't shoot it and make it look real, and neither can most of the shooters in the thread.

Why would I pay $1500 to 4k for something that's not going to work and doesn't meet my needs?

The best selling content I have is stuff I get from the girls themselves shot at home with the BF/GF or whatever and it's by far the least expensive.

Bottom line, every client has a budget and he will choose the producer who will work with his budget. If that producer has to lower his rate to fit in that budget, youre dam sure he will try and find another shoot for her that day to make his day more profitable. Anyone who tells you different is flat out lying and trying to make himself look good here. Im not talking about a guy who books a girl for a day rate for one client because first girl will be too tired and producer will lose his edge shooting too long a day.

Too many people try to make themselves look like the hero.

Maybe if they are taking on crap jobs for pennies on the dollar.

I can think of a couple of clients, who I have been shooting for on a regular basis for YEARS, who I lowered my rates for simply because of the ongoing volume they order. However, even their lower rate is significantly higher than the $150 per photo/video set that is being discussed here and they make it worth my time by ordering more than 1 or 2 sets. No, I do not and will not piggyback anything but I'm also not forced to do so by taking on low budget clients.

I have minimum payout guarantees that I make to models. If a single client's order can't cover that, plus my overhead and profit, then I simply refer them on to other shooters.

I'm not trying to impress anybody or look like a hero. I'm just sticking to my business model which includes only shooting for solid companies with good reputations and the budgets to justify booking a model for at least a half day. And guess what? I rarely have any sort of problems with clients like this.

It's similar to an affiliate manager. The affiliate with shit for traffic is the biggest pain in the ass but you rarely have issues with traffic from a whale. I don't deal with pain in the ass people very well so I tend to avoid doing business with them whenever possible. I don't mind giving up their $150-$300 in exchange for fewer headaches. :2 cents:

Exactly.

I did a small amount of business with gleem back around 2001-2003. Although my skills have improved greatly since then, the stuff I was shooting for him was still not exactly what he wanted,

If you want this that kind of content, you are better off finding a GWC or real amateurs rather than asking a pro to dumb down his work and budget.

ehh, don't knock yourself, I think that video you shot of Pam (jasmyn) getting busted fucking her BF from like 2003 was in my top 5 all time money making promo vids.


mmmmm Pammmm:
http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...lfriend-13.jpg

http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...lfriend-01.jpg

http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...ent=pam_hottub

I can...I've figured it out. been working on it for a year or so, and my ratings are prove that I have done :)

yeah? Shoot me an email with your best looking home amateur stuff and I'll check you out for my next shoot if you can stomach my rates.

Talk about low balling. $150 US?

Well I guess when youre the best in the industry you can live by those standards. Unlike you Id rather work all day and make $250 than not work at all.

I wouldn't know as I'm far from the best.

I'd rather spend my time diversifying my income with other things than shoot all day for $250.00....You should appreciate that as I have refereed a number of people to you over the years.

you can some of my stuff here at this site... www.wantontalk.com there are 2-3 amateur shots however it's not about your rates it's about me having the time.

if I was going to shoot for you my biggest issue would be locations. the photography is a no brainer... your best producers are guys out of major porn areas... and that ain't me unfortunately.

next time I'm traveling around California shooting I could do some interesting stuff yet once again it's the time issue. when I'm on the road I have to book myself up to cover associated travel cost.

Sorry but I am new to this forum but we cant produce content for that, based on Colombian prices...

We can work something out if you like but not at that price. Take a look at www lindapop.com and tell me if you are interested.

I don't see anything on your site that resembles what the OP is asking for.

However... that is some nice Columbian content!

Shooting craiglist crack whores can be cheap :2 cents:

http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1270053251.jpg

That is great!! But hookers have this habit of thinking that they are worth way more than what they are actually worth. Im guessing its the Pimp in the ear thing.lol

Yes but OVER the YEARS are a thing of the past. Its Today not last year.

So the appreciation ran out?

Apparently so. :disgust

I guess I need to pass along some more business to keep myself on Joe's good side.

Slacker :pimp

It's so profitable he's asking pro shooters to do a scene for $150. :upsidedow

Wasn't there a re thread about Exgf sites that pay or convert a little while ago?

Then your experience is not very good. I've made a ton of money shooting amateur. Slightly different to what Exgf is but then changing it would be a doddle. Shoot a different intro, more referring to the guy behind the camera by name, more "come to join me" phrases and change by including just the body on a few. If you disagree show me what you mean and I will tell you if I can do it.

http://www.astral-blue.com

http://www.astral-blue.com

As for betting, bet me $2,000 and you're on. If the worse comes to the worse I will get a guy to shoot his GF. I just need to be able to pay them a bit more than $50

Then go on social network sites and offer them properly and you might not have to ask pro shooters to work for this money. They need rewarding properly to give the full IDs, model release and be content that their video will be all over the Net in a few weeks.

When you're paying this rate you can't pick and choose your producers. You're stuck with whoever will work for that price. The fewer producers the more the videos resemble each other. :Oh crap

Unless someone else is picking up the tab for the model, expenses and possible location costs, or you're shooting multiple girls on a casting including ugly ones, there is no way this can be done.

Unless a decent client orders one or two scenes. The shooter pushes it through and then on his money you would shoot a free scene for yourself. Nice business. :upsidedow

Or are you saying the girl should be paid extra because of an added shoot?

Personally I shot for a market that paid $1,000s for a set without a video. Not $100s for a set and video. Or I shot for myself from the amateur type of content on Astral Blue or for the content stores. Making me enough money so I can sit back and retire. At the rates paid today you guys will be working until you drop. If the market is still there. :Oh crap

Look around at the online porn industry and tell me how many top notch shooters are working for sponsors? Guys who sold sets to Penthouse, Hustler, etc or Wicked, Private, Evil Angel, etc. No we have mostly guys who are way below that level because we pay so badly.

Wow !
 

This thread really got a lot more pages than I thought it would lol... it's turned from a request for content into a battle of the Producers ! And I feel partially responsible for that :winkwink:

Aint caught up with all thats been posted, but on the last two posts... This whole suggestion of piggy backing on a shoot. Personally I just dont agree with it... Why should client A pay 80% of the costs so client B can get it for cheap ?

What if client A and B ever meet or talk... "oh I see you got some of model A off Steve, what did you pay for exclusive... oh you paid $150... I paid $600 !" wow thats a conversation that can only end bad lol ! :Oh crap

As I said at the start "why belittle your product" dont get me wrong in this climate we all have to be competative, I for one do negotiate with models... but there is negotiating and then there is taking the mick...

I guess the bottom line is if the producer wants to accept such a low rate then thats down to them, does it make them desperate maybe, but thats there call... does it effect the industry almost definetly... but there isnt a governing body to set prices... so good luck to them

Hmmm...
 

Sod him send some to your UK Brother ! :winkwink:

Sure, 2 thieving ones that didn't buy content and did high PPS crapped out, the ratio of EXGF sites not paying vs. any other niche is much lower I'd bet, personally I haven't missed a payout in 5 years.


If you are shooting "intros" you have already fucked up.


Dont' worry, I do this too because Pro shooters can't do enough of this stuff, full Id's and releases as well, would never release anything without.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This thread rocks plain and simple, but at the same time raises a few great points that i think people had not thought about or did not know.

And yes you have no idea how many producers have whales and then offer cheap content on the side for people whom can not afford regular rates
Imho that is as close to theft as you can get without actually breaking the law.

Im sorry to say that that is only the top of the iceberg
Especially in hubs like LA and Praque

i'm just here for the free pics :glugglug

I was about to say that we are missing a few regulars in here lol

No opinion on this? :winkwink:

Like Jay said above, this thread delivers! Not only are some of these producers working for peanuts, they are bragging about it! :error

No youre missing the point . Deej dont be an idiot all your life. Money isnt the same now as it was 2 years ago. ?? why am I even debating this?