Wait a sec Nikki so if i book a girl for 2 shoots and give both clients what they want , in thier budget, and the girl is happy to make extra money...that is decietful????? Cmon bro.
Whats the difference if I shoot her twice in one day or if i do 1 day and then next day>?

What about the clients that ARENT paying top dollar and ask for reduced rates? Not everyone is beyond wealthy like Aarons clients.

If I book a girl, full day shoot.... 8-9 hours, for a specific client following their criteria/outline for that exclusive shoot and then double up the shots which had their criteria (Dress, settings, etc...) in it to sell to another client...... I think it is, but that is just me.

Obviously others do this, I am one that doesn't......:2 cents:

Now, on the other hand, if it was a half day shoot for one client and I can get the next shoot in the rest of the day using a different criteria (Dress, settings, etc...) then that would be workable.

I do not know the specifics of this persons shoot, so this is a hypothetical example....hope that makes sense ;)

Well 1st who is gonna book 2 eight hour piggy backs. Also the chances of getting 2 clients to want the same girl in the same criteria at the same time is EXTREMELY remote.
What im talking about and what MOSTLY EVERYONE in this biz does is book a BG for 1 person then try to get a shoot for someone else with the same girl. The girls love it, the agents love it and the clients get what they want.

By the way, how the fuck are ya Nikki?

Finally an honest reply in this thread besides mine. For once we agree on something. It was you, Aaron M, Matrix, hell... Earl Miller, Hank Londoner, Suze Randal, Ron Vogel and yes... PAUL Markham who I learned porn accounting from. 1st shoot pays the bills, second shoot pays your profit. You keep the profit, make a site out of it, sell it to a bunch of people non-exclusive, or sell it to someone else. EVERYONE DOES IT!!! What? Do studios and photography equipment grow on trees? Did I get a fucking grant from someone to pay for the maintenance of everything?

Where is everyone's mansions and $100,000 sports cars for just shooting porn and playing "Big Director" and paying full fuckin price? My 2 biggest clients encourage piggybacking and I give them discounts because of it - this keeps thier costs down. And these are big fucking programs - one of them even owns GFY!!! The other one is a top advertiser here!!!

These Ex-GF shoots are suppose to look like user submitted content. That means I have to unlearn everything and shoot like I did 10 years ago. Yeah, it's hard and I have to be creative, but so what. It's easier and faster with virtually ZERO set-up. It's called supply & demand. Think outside the box or get outta the warehouse. But hey if someone is ready to pay full price, all the perks and shipping too - sign me up - I like living in 2 years ago making $4,000 to $12,000 a day.

Well, as I mentioned it was a hypothetical scenario. I was looking at it from a stand point of booking a girl for the full day for a client and then trying to squeeze more of the same content out of it to sell to another client during that eight hour shoot using the other clients criteria.

I think I was relating to what Aaron had mentioned someone shooting for client A with Camera A on the right side of the bed and use camera B for client B on the left side. Just jump back and forth as the model stripped.

So with that in mind, that would not be a good biz practice and in my opinion would be deceitful, that's all.

I understand what you are saying and that is understandable..... nothing wrong with that ;)

On another note, I have been doing well except for the horrific humidity and heat, how about you?

Hey here is a great idea for atleast a few people in here.
Why dont we all just let the clients set the prices? If they dont have enough money we will just shoot for nothing or piggy bag.

Give me a fucking break :1orglaugh

You have no idea how true that is though....we call them "Guy with Camera".
TONS of producers that are basically just in this to get free BJ's and brag about it....met a few resently.

Its sad....

Damn, guys are getting blow jobs? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I will have to run this by my wife and see if I can do this too......NOT!

if remember correctly or interpret your post correctly: your ccontent business FAILED and you had to leave vegas because you are out of money.

you have no understanding of the content business

None at all what so ever :2 cents:

good words here A :thumbsup

why on earth would you need an assistant and PA? seriously....

you think you are being clever... trust me you have no idea what's going on

I guess i have just been here for 10 years for the fun of it?
Bradley take your ego somewhere else sir :321GFY

you can react anyway you want. I've been shooting content professionally for websites and programs since 2000, continuously, and from what you have just posted in the thread... you have no idea how it works for us in the game. trust me on that.

I have no idea to what you are referencing?
That being the game means that we have to shoot solo amateur for 150 bucks?
As far as i can see you and i have been in the same business for the same amount of time most likely with different business plans....

My company is just in more aspects of the adult industry which is why we can be more picky i suppose.

As for websites then please, we shot some of the first HD content in late 03/04 for industry leading systems.
And have been doing that since 2000 

Now lets stop the penis match

FYI, Fiddler the one that made this thread LOVES the content, it was exactly how he wanted it. And it was very easy, shot in the model's house with no lights, on her couch, her bed, her kitchen just the way the client wanted it, amateur ex-gf style, very short videos, like 5 minutes each, pic sets 80-100. Very easy to do in 2 hrs, you pro guys do your thing and make the big bucks, more power to you. I tried that route and clients are few and far between. I can shoot that style if needed and yes charge more but that doesnt mean I should say no to the guys that want amateur stuff for a lower price. I gotta put food on my families table. Thats the bottom line.

Umm. No. lol
I am still selling content and doing fine at it. I am leaving Vegas for better opportunities for my family. Been here since 2002 and tired of it.

Post your "Great work" or shut the fuck up.

This thread delivers.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sometimes they are needed. I hope you realize, not all of us are as good as you ;)

Some of the early works would be
Solo exclusive sites under platinum bucks
monstermazuma.com etc

And no need to contact me whining on icq again :thumbsup

Im sorry if i hurt your feelings, was not intended

Photographer's Assistant.

penis assistant

or producers assistant

not a well as krack biscuit's butt sore pussy bullshit thread, but all in all :thumbsup

Yeah... that's what I thought.

FYI, you're way off base with Loch. :2 cents:

It's interesting how things pan out sometimes. I picked up a new client yesterday who contacted me because of this thread.

Gotta love GFY.

My vagina is wet and aches...

Throw some sand in that bitch.

your 2 faced... you do realize that you quoted me 600 to do something that you are saying u can do for 150 in this thread. Actually easier on the girl, 8 minute solo is what I needed and some shoots of girl stripping and then redressing.

shame on you. I hope you get 0 clients moving forward

WTF do you know?

No clue at all.

These guys buying/shooting this content are filling the business with shit that's turning off the real customer from buying.

You're spot on with it not being 2001 today. The days of selling shit because you have a site are long gone. Didn't you hear, there are such a thing as Tubes today.

Watching you producers guys go back and forth about the biz is great insight behind the scenes that buyers rarely get to see.

I have worked with many of you in the thread at one point or another, while I'm not going to name names from my experience every shooter at one point or another needs some extra cash and has a client that would allow piggy backing. If one of you can keep demanding huge amounts for shoots may the porn gods bless you, but there are less buyers than there were 1 year ago, and a hell of alot less that are still buying and are willing to spend $1500 to $4000 per shoot. Simple supply & demand, you can try and keep the prices artificially inflated, but the market will set the price and you can either go with the market prices or not, adapt or die.

I've seen a few guys keep up the high dollar demand per shoot and usually it's because they have dug themselves a niche that others simply can't compare to. Again that's the market setting the price, you have something someone needs and he can't find another to fill the need, he will pay top dollar.


Truth is as a buyer of exclusive/semi-exclusive/non-exclusive "GF/EXGF" content I have to keep it cheap as ballz to compete with the other GF/EXGF sites that simply scrape for content. Most producers hate me, but I have to do what I do to survive and I will not apologize for asking for shoots for $500 or less, you want it, great, if you don't that's fine too, just don't get mad that I ask.

to be real honest here, I do not see anything wrong with the prices you are offering. my understanding is you want 2 sets with matching vids for $300. in my area I can't get a model to come over for less than $200 and that's even questionable.

and as Aaron has said, I'm not really up to piggy backing a shoot, not even a small shoot, only because the shoots I'm doing now are so content heavy. 2/2 and for you 2/2 for another guy... that would be fine, but 14/3 and sex then 2/2, no way

so the job is out of my range however if I lived in a different market I would be more than happy to shoot the stuff for ya. -bmb