When you're paying this rate you can't pick and choose your producers. You're stuck with whoever will work for that price. The fewer producers the more the videos resemble each other. :Oh crap

Unless someone else is picking up the tab for the model, expenses and possible location costs, or you're shooting multiple girls on a casting including ugly ones, there is no way this can be done.

Unless a decent client orders one or two scenes. The shooter pushes it through and then on his money you would shoot a free scene for yourself. Nice business. :upsidedow

Or are you saying the girl should be paid extra because of an added shoot?

Personally I shot for a market that paid $1,000s for a set without a video. Not $100s for a set and video. Or I shot for myself from the amateur type of content on Astral Blue or for the content stores. Making me enough money so I can sit back and retire. At the rates paid today you guys will be working until you drop. If the market is still there. :Oh crap

Look around at the online porn industry and tell me how many top notch shooters are working for sponsors? Guys who sold sets to Penthouse, Hustler, etc or Wicked, Private, Evil Angel, etc. No we have mostly guys who are way below that level because we pay so badly.

Wow !
 

This thread really got a lot more pages than I thought it would lol... it's turned from a request for content into a battle of the Producers ! And I feel partially responsible for that :winkwink:

Aint caught up with all thats been posted, but on the last two posts... This whole suggestion of piggy backing on a shoot. Personally I just dont agree with it... Why should client A pay 80% of the costs so client B can get it for cheap ?

What if client A and B ever meet or talk... "oh I see you got some of model A off Steve, what did you pay for exclusive... oh you paid $150... I paid $600 !" wow thats a conversation that can only end bad lol ! :Oh crap

As I said at the start "why belittle your product" dont get me wrong in this climate we all have to be competative, I for one do negotiate with models... but there is negotiating and then there is taking the mick...

I guess the bottom line is if the producer wants to accept such a low rate then thats down to them, does it make them desperate maybe, but thats there call... does it effect the industry almost definetly... but there isnt a governing body to set prices... so good luck to them

Hmmm...
 

Sod him send some to your UK Brother ! :winkwink:

Sure, 2 thieving ones that didn't buy content and did high PPS crapped out, the ratio of EXGF sites not paying vs. any other niche is much lower I'd bet, personally I haven't missed a payout in 5 years.


If you are shooting "intros" you have already fucked up.


Dont' worry, I do this too because Pro shooters can't do enough of this stuff, full Id's and releases as well, would never release anything without.

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This thread rocks plain and simple, but at the same time raises a few great points that i think people had not thought about or did not know.

And yes you have no idea how many producers have whales and then offer cheap content on the side for people whom can not afford regular rates
Imho that is as close to theft as you can get without actually breaking the law.

Im sorry to say that that is only the top of the iceberg
Especially in hubs like LA and Praque

i'm just here for the free pics :glugglug

I was about to say that we are missing a few regulars in here lol

No opinion on this? :winkwink:

Like Jay said above, this thread delivers! Not only are some of these producers working for peanuts, they are bragging about it! :error

No youre missing the point . Deej dont be an idiot all your life. Money isnt the same now as it was 2 years ago. ?? why am I even debating this?

Your not an idiot. And Ill tell you what I meant also. People are not paying the same for shoots as they used to , hence it is important to try and piggy back girls with a another shoot. Hell the girls ask for it, the agents ask for it. Granted Im speaking from the point of shooting BJ scenes, HJs, lesbian, BG scenes. where im only booking her for 1 more scene. Last week I shot a chick for a BG, and 2 BJs and paid her $1000. The scene were quick, easy..the girl , agent and each client was happy with what they recieved. So wheres the problem with that.

Also being said im not a rich billionaire like most here with mansions and big boats so I cant be as picky as some with who they shoot for and rates.

Ill also say Aaron that your photos are 1000 times better than mine so you can also hold out for more than I can.

One of the reasons that I do business the way I do is because it builds long lasting solid relationships. I don't shoot for every Tom, Dick, and Harry and you won't find me spamming the boards day in and day out begging for work. Because of this, I don't see any fluctuation in pricing. Obviously I know at least one client you have done a shit ton of work for in the past who clearly qualifies as above average financial status. How many times has that client asked you to lower your rate or piggyback shoots? Never? So why not only look for the same caliber of clients?

As I mentioned before, because of this thread I have picked up another client. That new client offered a budget slightly higher than my average clients pay.

Anyway, I appreciate the compliment but based on your experience level, the location you have to shoot in, and the models you have at your disposal...There is no reason you can't turn out the same or better product than what I do.

Hi How many more do you need? See our sig. We produce 2D and 3D content )

Weren't you complaining a few years ago about Sobegirl selling your content without your permission?

Now you advocate using another clients shoot to shoot for a second client. Seems times are very tough if you've dropped your standards.

The only way you can do this is if you get the first clients permission. In writing would be a good bet as well. A few threads about you piggybacking on someone elses shoot would be very damaging.

thats non exclusive right?

there is no way I would turn my camera on for 150bucks much less shoot a scene....

you could have paid her 500 .... your not loosing your pimp hand are you?

You can shoot 3D solo productions for 150 bucks?
If so please contact me right away

Good looking models is a must of course

but what have you done for me lately? :1orglaugh

because some clients only want a few sets, 2-3 with a few vids. in Nebraska, no problem... in LA problem... the agents won't book a model for less than 'x' so you ask around for a few guys to fill the shoot in... I used to do that 4-5 years ago. now my shoots are to content heavy to do that... although I have a guy wanting a set of 20 pics with a t-shirt. I'll do it and split the money between the girl and the MU as a bonus/lunch money AND I will tell the main client EXACTLY what I am doing and why.

but do you shoot for tom's harry dick? inquiring minds wanna know...

No sir, I leave that up to you LA shooters. :winkwink:

Everything should have an intro if you want to convert and retain members. It's a way to set up the scene. It can be very short but without it the scene is just anonymous. I looked on your site for some examples of what you mean and saw you don't let prospective members view what they will get in terms of videos. Why is that?

The hardest thing for this work is not to get a shooter to dumb down his work to the level of it looking like it was shot by a boyfriend. It's getting a model to act like she's a girlfriend. Most models today act like models, in fact a lot of brand new models have a habit of putting on a "pornstar" act. It needs the girl to climax for real, not like some like some $100 a day model who's done a few scenes already and only cares about going home. If you knew about shooting you would know all this.

It takes no skill to make an video look amateur. It takes tons of skill to make the model look amateur. As you saw from my samples getting girls to fuck themselves or others for real has been my forte for decades.

:2 cents:

I looked around on the Net and saw some excellent Exgf videos. They had intros, even if it was just a girl just unzipping her flies or her partners. They set the scene and go to making the action look real. They need to be different to keep the authenticity.

This content also needs lots of different locations. If all done on a bed or a sofa it will start to bore members and screw the retention ratios. beds, sofas, kitchens, hallways, stairs, lofts, basements, gardens, sheds, balconies, cars, vans, trucks, trains, buses, boats, fields, woods and any other location that can found.

The most important thing is to get the communication between the model and the shooter, or make it look like she's shooting the scene to give to her BF for instance if he's away in the army, spot on. The girl has to look real, have a personality and convey it. She can be shy and nervous about doing the scene or act as if it's all her idea and she's totally up for it. She can also be filmed "without" her knowing as a twist on the voyeur theme. She can be anything the shooter can dream up and use to fit her personality.

Otherwise the content will start to all look the same and the customers of this niche will soon realise it's not as good as what can be found for free. All of this takes skill, knowledge, talent, experience and a personality by the shooter to pull it off. Also takes money. So shooters working for cents ain't doing going to pull it off.

Gleem I asked you to show me samples of what you mean. Still waiting, any reason why?

I think there is a zero missing at the end of your quoted amount. 1500$ for the shooter plus expenses and fees sounds more reasonable.

Anyhow, good luck.

This is as far as I read...

Paul, remember your first days on GFY when you came here and told everybody that you know all and how it all works? Remember how many of us told you to STFU because you didn't know shit about the web side of the industry?

Well, this is another one of those situations.

I know what gleem wants and so does he. He is a pioneer of this specific niche and you..well, you are a pioneer based on age alone. ;) Seriously though, you have no clue WTF you are talking about in regards to what gleem wants/needs and even if you did, HE is the client and HE dictates what should and should not be in the shoots, not you.

Now I'll go read the rest of your post... :glugglug

crap, I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that anymore :(

Sorry bout your luck.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SUPERMAN. A client asks for a product I deliver it. Another client asks for a product with same girl , I deliver it. Whats difference if on same day or a week later. WHAT THE FUCK does that have to deal with someone illegally selling my content !!!!!!!! Holy shit talk about the all time dumb ass statements. Go back to preaching elsewhere . Jesus F ING Christ

LOL i may be in my old age.

I see your point buddy, Ive had clients ask for lower rates. Ive never had one ask about piggy backing so to speak. Ill simply put I try and work within everyones rates that approach, id rather work more days and longer term for a lower rate than to turn work away. But thats just me Big A.

oh, i have an opinion for sure.

but this thread and the confusion about some things have already reached a point where it doesn't count anymore anyways :winkwink:

i have learned that mostly all shooters who were trying to get into the market by shooting cheap have disappeared again. so no need to get upset for me.

we're still here, we still have work, we deliver a good product.

have fun, guys :)

MaDalton gets it. :thumbsup

You think :winkwink:

Damn i was hoping i could lowball you to 100 pr scene now that they are offering 150 in the US i would only expect you to be cheaper in the CZ :1orglaugh

If you're not getting a matched photo & video for your 100 bones then you are getting screwed.

I've got a really cute 22 year old here shooting for her first time and I keep coming back to this board. :(

post proof or be banned! :1orglaugh

Youre either homosexual or hoping for another client from this thread :1orglaugh





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WTF Joe? Im an idiot for pointing out your lame comment? Yet you have answers for the rest regarding the same statement? You told me last time there is nothing personal... but its obvious that was a lie. Are your panties in a knot over the one job I did for you? Or is it my persona? Its one of the other dude since you like to jab at me when you can.

Or maybe the model is just really slow in between sets. :winkwink:

Just finished her first solo video. She came pretty fast then didn't know what to do for the last few minutes. LOL, gotta love the first timers.

Seriously... Ill pay 150 bucks to be a PA :)

Clit Fluffer extraordinaire!

He has yet to get back to me, i dont understand why :Oh crap

You love the GFY :tongue:

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Made my day with that one!

This is the best post in this thread!!
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1. The "Scenes" are 5 minutes. That's a clip not a "scene" you don't even have to cut!

2. No set-up required. No video lights, no strobes, no hair lights, no nothing.

3. They are solo scenes some POV... it's not a 12 person gang bang, threesome, a glam shoot, or even a boy/girl scene. Can anyone here read?

4. Who the fuck shoots only 1 scene a day? Even mainstream movies do 3-6 pages of script a day. Time is money. If you have too much of both send it my way.

5. My minimum is 1 tape. Whatever I can fit on that tape is the day rate. I always give extras because I'm fuckin cool like that. This is great for repeat business. No need to piggyback here, but I will because I am one ambitious mofo. I gave some shooters in this thread free locations, free stays for weeks on end, free agent fees, super fucking low budget multiple piggybacked scenes days on end worked way below my fucking "RATE". If you are flush now mac daddy - it's time for a little payback. I take cash, check or plastic.

6. If you call yourself a producer in this competetive market you better have some fuckin hustle. Get outta your shooting chair, off GFY half the day, and change the dildo, change the bedspread, move the lights, change her outfit, change the curtains, give some new direction, get creative! Heck... stand up, walk around, shoot from the floor, stand on the couch, walk around the house with the camera on following the model!!! Hike, swim, boat, crawl, climb to your next shoot. Stop being so fucking LAZY!

7. If I do piggyback, I am usually the other client. I own websites - do you? How can you give advice on what the viewer wants to see unless you ask them yourself? What are you risking? Why does your opinion even matter? You're just a hired gun. And you fucking piggyback too - stop lying! And anyone who believes you is just NAIVE!!!

8. This guy pays better than most of the solo amateur sites out there. I know, I've worked for alot of them. And none of them want 1 fucking set of ANY GIRL! It's 5 (sometimes 10!) sets minimum and less than these guys pay for sure. And these are BIG PROGRAMS!!! HUGE!!! And those are pro scenes shot well with all the trimmings. Do they pay too little? No. They pay a competetive rate. And you guys shoot for them too. STFU!

9. Because I am one of the few photographers in this thread that actually has his own websites - I will be hiring people to shoot for my sites as well. Thanks to this thread - it's good to know who is lazy and who still has the HUSTLE!!! But I'm buying as much content as posible for the lowest rate possible while still maintaining the quality. Because my shit is framed, composed, lit, and correct till the last cum shot. I'm a perfectionist no matter what type of a hurry I'm in. Drives Chelsea NUTS!!!

10. If you don't know what you are doing - you cannot undo it. Alot of people are acting all pro-photographer wagging thier dicks around (although I've only seen one of them) but if you are not conscious of what makes your shooting style then it always looks deliberate and FAKE! In mainstream - what makes the scene and the lighting believable is making it look like an accident. But trust me - every swatch of spill light was put there on purpose. But you guys know everything so why am I telling you this? Because someone in the know needs to put your ego in check. I made more per "SCENE", per day, per week and per YEAR and PER CAREER than most of you bragging about it except maybe Paul Markham. And I know what I'm doing enough to Undo it for content that needs to look like it is amateur user submitted material. And I'm not too proud to take smaller jobs when times are hard - you can't save your ass and your face at the same time. No matter what your imaginary rate is today - it doesn't beat my REAL rate from 2 years ago. And I could give 2 shits - I got bills to pay and mouths to feed. Bring it.

One I first came here I remember people producing content that was crap. Most of them have gone, even lots who told me to STFU. Seems their content was not so great. Those that stayed had to improve the quality of what they shot or they would of gone as well. The proof of what I know is down to whether our sites are still up, making money, and whether I'm scraping around shooting solo girl scenes for $300 to $500. Not bad for a guy who does not know shit about how it worked on the Net.

The only person who decides on whether sites make money are members. Not affiliates, not sponsors and to be sure not content providers. Today memberships are falling and it's certainly not because members areas are keeping them enthralled.

I've never claimed to be a pioneer. But I've made more money then most of the content providers here. Enough to sit back and retire while people run around taking jobs at prices I laugh at. Even while the Adult Net was in in it boom time. Most exclusive shooters, including you, were shooting for peanuts. Getting $100s for a set and video while I was getting $1,000s for just a set. Which I still own and still make money from. Custom shooters own nothing once they've sold the scene once.

I know the market has changed. But because I was such a know nothing I made enough money to sit back and watch you clever guys scrape around for $100s for a scene. So glad I was not as clever as you guys.

Some of us who did not know shit about how it works, have hung around though. :1orglaugh

Glad you all had fun in here, I found another few interested producers so worked for me.

Think it should be said that if I can get what I need for $150 per pic+vid why would I pay more? Where's the business sense in that? It's got nothing to do with an available budget. For example if I had $5000 to spend on content and could get what I want for $150 why would I pay even double that to get half the content?

I'm happy with the work provided by the producers who have worked for me in the past and I look forward to more work with them.

Peace out.

It's not about what you need. It's about what the customer needs. At $150 a scene the content will be so low quality, porn quality, that after a while the customers will realise it's no better than what's available for free. And slowly killing what could be a great money making niche.

If this wasn't true the customers would not be turning their back on buying porn in such great numbers.

But you guys know so much more than me. That's why sales are falling. :Oh crap

if anyone took paul's advice today they would be living on the street.

Please go check out how we use the content, the style of content that we already have (from user submits). I'm pretty sure I'm providing exactly what the client wants, the day I turn to production quality such as yourself with full lighting equipment high quality pics and vids will be the day I no longer require content that is shot too look like a husband is using a standard £100 camera from the local retail shop to snap his wife.

In terms of your comment about they'll realise they can get better elsewhere well heck that takes me back to my first comment, just look at our site and think about how it's used to make it more appealing, once you've found how that is you'll understand why I want the quality I want and why that converts.