Post your "Great work" or shut the fuck up.

This thread delivers.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sometimes they are needed. I hope you realize, not all of us are as good as you ;)

Some of the early works would be
Solo exclusive sites under platinum bucks
monstermazuma.com etc

And no need to contact me whining on icq again :thumbsup

Im sorry if i hurt your feelings, was not intended

Photographer's Assistant.

penis assistant

or producers assistant

not a well as krack biscuit's butt sore pussy bullshit thread, but all in all :thumbsup

Yeah... that's what I thought.

FYI, you're way off base with Loch. :2 cents:

It's interesting how things pan out sometimes. I picked up a new client yesterday who contacted me because of this thread.

Gotta love GFY.

My vagina is wet and aches...

Throw some sand in that bitch.

your 2 faced... you do realize that you quoted me 600 to do something that you are saying u can do for 150 in this thread. Actually easier on the girl, 8 minute solo is what I needed and some shoots of girl stripping and then redressing.

shame on you. I hope you get 0 clients moving forward

WTF do you know?

No clue at all.

These guys buying/shooting this content are filling the business with shit that's turning off the real customer from buying.

You're spot on with it not being 2001 today. The days of selling shit because you have a site are long gone. Didn't you hear, there are such a thing as Tubes today.

Watching you producers guys go back and forth about the biz is great insight behind the scenes that buyers rarely get to see.

I have worked with many of you in the thread at one point or another, while I'm not going to name names from my experience every shooter at one point or another needs some extra cash and has a client that would allow piggy backing. If one of you can keep demanding huge amounts for shoots may the porn gods bless you, but there are less buyers than there were 1 year ago, and a hell of alot less that are still buying and are willing to spend $1500 to $4000 per shoot. Simple supply & demand, you can try and keep the prices artificially inflated, but the market will set the price and you can either go with the market prices or not, adapt or die.

I've seen a few guys keep up the high dollar demand per shoot and usually it's because they have dug themselves a niche that others simply can't compare to. Again that's the market setting the price, you have something someone needs and he can't find another to fill the need, he will pay top dollar.


Truth is as a buyer of exclusive/semi-exclusive/non-exclusive "GF/EXGF" content I have to keep it cheap as ballz to compete with the other GF/EXGF sites that simply scrape for content. Most producers hate me, but I have to do what I do to survive and I will not apologize for asking for shoots for $500 or less, you want it, great, if you don't that's fine too, just don't get mad that I ask.

to be real honest here, I do not see anything wrong with the prices you are offering. my understanding is you want 2 sets with matching vids for $300. in my area I can't get a model to come over for less than $200 and that's even questionable.

and as Aaron has said, I'm not really up to piggy backing a shoot, not even a small shoot, only because the shoots I'm doing now are so content heavy. 2/2 and for you 2/2 for another guy... that would be fine, but 14/3 and sex then 2/2, no way

so the job is out of my range however if I lived in a different market I would be more than happy to shoot the stuff for ya. -bmb

... at $ 150 a pop!

There's the key I think. Obviously it depends where you live, and who you are recruiting from the shoots and from where. If you use model agency pretty hard to shoot cheap, if you recruit off social sites and boards, not unheard of to get girls for a couple shoot at $100 - $250 a pop.

I shot at a convention hotel, got some higher end models for another project at $100 each, and shot like 15 of them over the weekend.


Again, it's all about the market side demand, and you supply side.

As a side note, I'm not the original poster, just following in the thread, I will usually pay $250 to $500 a shoot depending what it is for English speaking girls... from my experience it's hard to get that delivered from the U.S. producers (Doug).

yeah that and access to the girls... I can see a model walking up to a hotel room for $100 when already in the area... models in my area aren't driving across town for $100.

when I was recruiting off social media and ads my shoot failure was very high, over 90% on test shoots, and I can't just shoot any 'pig' that shows up for you either. so I need to see them before I shoot soooooo I can't promise $100 if they come over...

everything is about market supply and demand. maybe the agencies out her in LaLa will figure that out someday as well :winkwink:

my budget break down is like this: 1/3 model cost, 1/3 production cost, 1/3 profit. when it doesn't break down like this, not only am I not making money, I'm paying to shoot. I can't run a biz like that.

now on sex shoots the margins are off, 50% talent and say 25%/25% production cost and profit however the numbers are larger so it's worth it... solo shoots have a much higher net gain however this is the sex business :winkwink:

They won't, they are kinda like the record agencies, they will go down with the ship until it's almost too late because their bloated egos won't let them lower prices to meet market demand.

Here in LA, several of the smaller agencies and one big agency have closed or disappeared over the last year or so. And Lisa Ann is closing her agency, citing the fact that she's too busy being a model to be an agent too.

buy content from poor but white parts of the world where on the girls face you can tell there is a guy standing out of the camera range pointing a gun at her.

What this thread shows is there's not a lot of money to be made in this niche. Affiliates beware.

you are very wrong. If you knew the niche, there's plenty of money to be made and all you have to do is look at what the ad buyers are pushing nowadays, all EXGF/GF stuff and dating, but the biz model especially when it comes to content is verry very different than any other niche. To be a realistic GF/EXGF site you have no use for 30 - 60 min video and 500 pics per set and 5 sets per girl. It's all about making it seem home shot which is typically 20 to 70 pics, and 5 to 20 min of video per shoot, and if you build up too much with 1 girl it loses it's authenticity alot of the times.



Plus in my experience the more qualified and skilled the shooter is, the less realistically home shot the content looks and the less it's worth. I bet you can't shoot it and make it look real, and neither can most of the shooters in the thread.

Why would I pay $1500 to 4k for something that's not going to work and doesn't meet my needs?

The best selling content I have is stuff I get from the girls themselves shot at home with the BF/GF or whatever and it's by far the least expensive.

Bottom line, every client has a budget and he will choose the producer who will work with his budget. If that producer has to lower his rate to fit in that budget, youre dam sure he will try and find another shoot for her that day to make his day more profitable. Anyone who tells you different is flat out lying and trying to make himself look good here. Im not talking about a guy who books a girl for a day rate for one client because first girl will be too tired and producer will lose his edge shooting too long a day.

Too many people try to make themselves look like the hero.

Maybe if they are taking on crap jobs for pennies on the dollar.

I can think of a couple of clients, who I have been shooting for on a regular basis for YEARS, who I lowered my rates for simply because of the ongoing volume they order. However, even their lower rate is significantly higher than the $150 per photo/video set that is being discussed here and they make it worth my time by ordering more than 1 or 2 sets. No, I do not and will not piggyback anything but I'm also not forced to do so by taking on low budget clients.

I have minimum payout guarantees that I make to models. If a single client's order can't cover that, plus my overhead and profit, then I simply refer them on to other shooters.

I'm not trying to impress anybody or look like a hero. I'm just sticking to my business model which includes only shooting for solid companies with good reputations and the budgets to justify booking a model for at least a half day. And guess what? I rarely have any sort of problems with clients like this.

It's similar to an affiliate manager. The affiliate with shit for traffic is the biggest pain in the ass but you rarely have issues with traffic from a whale. I don't deal with pain in the ass people very well so I tend to avoid doing business with them whenever possible. I don't mind giving up their $150-$300 in exchange for fewer headaches. :2 cents:

Exactly.

I did a small amount of business with gleem back around 2001-2003. Although my skills have improved greatly since then, the stuff I was shooting for him was still not exactly what he wanted,

If you want this that kind of content, you are better off finding a GWC or real amateurs rather than asking a pro to dumb down his work and budget.

ehh, don't knock yourself, I think that video you shot of Pam (jasmyn) getting busted fucking her BF from like 2003 was in my top 5 all time money making promo vids.


mmmmm Pammmm:
http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...lfriend-13.jpg

http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...lfriend-01.jpg

http://www.revengex.com/ex-girlfrien...ent=pam_hottub

I can...I've figured it out. been working on it for a year or so, and my ratings are prove that I have done :)

yeah? Shoot me an email with your best looking home amateur stuff and I'll check you out for my next shoot if you can stomach my rates.

Talk about low balling. $150 US?

Well I guess when youre the best in the industry you can live by those standards. Unlike you Id rather work all day and make $250 than not work at all.

I wouldn't know as I'm far from the best.

I'd rather spend my time diversifying my income with other things than shoot all day for $250.00....You should appreciate that as I have refereed a number of people to you over the years.

you can some of my stuff here at this site... www.wantontalk.com there are 2-3 amateur shots however it's not about your rates it's about me having the time.

if I was going to shoot for you my biggest issue would be locations. the photography is a no brainer... your best producers are guys out of major porn areas... and that ain't me unfortunately.

next time I'm traveling around California shooting I could do some interesting stuff yet once again it's the time issue. when I'm on the road I have to book myself up to cover associated travel cost.

Sorry but I am new to this forum but we cant produce content for that, based on Colombian prices...

We can work something out if you like but not at that price. Take a look at www lindapop.com and tell me if you are interested.

I don't see anything on your site that resembles what the OP is asking for.

However... that is some nice Columbian content!

Shooting craiglist crack whores can be cheap :2 cents:

http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1270053251.jpg

That is great!! But hookers have this habit of thinking that they are worth way more than what they are actually worth. Im guessing its the Pimp in the ear thing.lol

Yes but OVER the YEARS are a thing of the past. Its Today not last year.

So the appreciation ran out?

Apparently so. :disgust

I guess I need to pass along some more business to keep myself on Joe's good side.

Slacker :pimp

It's so profitable he's asking pro shooters to do a scene for $150. :upsidedow

Wasn't there a re thread about Exgf sites that pay or convert a little while ago?

Then your experience is not very good. I've made a ton of money shooting amateur. Slightly different to what Exgf is but then changing it would be a doddle. Shoot a different intro, more referring to the guy behind the camera by name, more "come to join me" phrases and change by including just the body on a few. If you disagree show me what you mean and I will tell you if I can do it.

http://www.astral-blue.com

http://www.astral-blue.com

As for betting, bet me $2,000 and you're on. If the worse comes to the worse I will get a guy to shoot his GF. I just need to be able to pay them a bit more than $50

Then go on social network sites and offer them properly and you might not have to ask pro shooters to work for this money. They need rewarding properly to give the full IDs, model release and be content that their video will be all over the Net in a few weeks.