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Seems that some assholes uploaded every paysites members areas to torrent sites and tube sites and now everybody thinks they don't have to pay for porn anymore. But you probably don't understand that either. I know for a fact TheDoc has all but begged you to email him in thread after thread. And you haven't done so. I'll tell you this much...if I were a loser like you with nothing at all. And I thought I had some kind of system that could make ME 50% of 100 sales a day and I could make millions of dollars? I would not only email TheDoc I would call him on the phone and catch the next plane to his fucking house and move in until the project was finished. But you? You just keep talking. All talk, no action. |
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it's why the rich try and build passive income streams (investments) rather then ones that are dependent on working like a dog i accepted the offer because the deal i was agreeing to would be such a passive income stream. The only downside for me is releasing more than the 5 things i said need to be done(for free). Things that are upsells in the current sales cycle. he wants the deal to be active income stream with me doing all the work. for less money than a standard affiliate would make and a hell of a lot less money than i can make just doing what i am doing now. why the hell would you expect me to take that deal, when you won't take a deal that only cost you money if i am right (you must put your content in the public domain if you use anything i show everyone). |
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And you have never offered me any "deal". The only thing YOU keep babbling about is how you are going to show me your miracles and then I give all my content away. Idiot. Now let's come back to REALITY: You are being offered an opportunity to make MILLIONS of dollars IF your bullshit works (it won't). And then on top of that...the second TheDoc reported on GFY that YES you ARE a genius and it's making 100 sales a day...well then there would be a line around the block waiting to pay you even MORE money. But that's not a good "deal" to you is it gideongallery? Somehow in your small brain you equate making NOTHING as being better than making MILLIONS. And that in a nutshell is just one of the reasons you are laughed at and will never be taken seriously. Because you are NOT serious. |
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if you used them then and only then would your content be in the public domain. that way you would be the only person who couldn't use them. If you truely believed your you don't know shit statements you would have had no problem agreeing to that, since your way works perfectly fine, you wouldn't need to steal my shit even if it worked. Quote:
doc doesn't want to change a thing, he wants me to do all the work of generating all the sales, using the old wrong methods. it like the movie industry saying to sony, i know you are saying that if we put our shit on the tape cassettes and sell it we will make more money , but we want to keep our business exactly the same, now show us how to make more money, using that vcr thing we have been complaining about. what would be left, putting flyers for movie theaters inside blank cassette boxes. that all doc left me to try taking that deal would do nothing but kill any possiblity anyone liciencing the techniques from me. considering i offered to show you the techniques for my normal fee with the i would never use that money back guarrentee we currently (if you ask for your money back, and you still use the techniques all that content goes CC-SA) given all the musicians who take the course we offer and you refused to take that offer. I don't think anyone would licience, they would simply copy the site, and pretend they figuired it out (like you did when you called yourself creative for copying what wayne's world did). Quote:
i will buy a rental property that generates income without personal work (because the rent covers the management company fees) than taking a job requires me to work to make the same income. your deal is give up the passive income you are making from teaching to work like a dog for less money than a normal affiliate would earn from that number of sales. |
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We will use the numbers Doc gave that said you could easily make 300K per month with a paysite if you send 100 sales per day. But let's be conservative. Let's say it is 200K and let's say in the first 12 months you bring in 2 million dollars from that. The second 12 months you bring in 2.4 million. At the end of 24 months you will have 4.4 million in the bank. You invest that into safe investments that bring in 6% return each year and that is 264K per year. If you collect that money for 8 years that means 10 years from today you will have earned 2.1 million off the interest and still have the 4.4 in the bank so you have 6.5 million dollars. You said yourself most of your "clients" will bring you in around 5K per year so in order to get 6.5 million in the next 10 years you will need to get 1,300 clients and those clients will have to produce you 5K per year as you have planned. They will have to produce that money every year without fail for the next 10 years. This is not to mention that 3-4 years from now the technology could change again and this system you are selling may no longer work. Or these people may decide to go in a different direction. You said you can "train" about 30 clients per week. That means it is going to take you 43 weeks just to get the clients. I don't claim to be a genius, but finding 30 clients per week, showing them what to do, babysitting them as they try it and make mistakes and have you guide them through the process and get them to where they are earning you your 5K per year sounds like a lot of work. Not to mention that just because you teach 30 people per week doesn't mean all 30 of them will be successful or will earn what you would like. Many of them will fail. You yourself said earlier in the thread IF you can get about 1500 people you could teach in front of classes of 100 or more. This is a lot of IF's. To me the offer Doc is providing would require you to work hard for 1-2 years then coast and live very comfortably for the rest of your life if you want. But you claim to want to pass it by because you have a better plan that all hinges on IF. But in the end, let me ask you this. Why not bring someone else into the fold? Why not find someone and teach them what to do, work with Doc and you show them how things work and let them do the grunt work and you give them a percentage of what you earn. If you are earning 2 million a year from this offer them 400K. You will find a lot of people who will bust their ass for 400K per year. This frees you up to do your other stuff and it allows you to cash in on this deal and shut all of us up. So why not do this? |
gideongallery you just typed paragraph after paragraph of fucking gibberish.
EITHER PROVE YOUR SHIT OR LEAVE. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS INDUSTRY AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM. |
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first of all the building blocks are interchangeable/recombinable so the number of income streams is massive. i have only taught 20 blocks so far out 543. Every year i keep discovering new blocks, and new combinations. as a result the average income has been growing with each year. i don't see a problem with hitting those numbers Quote:
i teach because if questions come up, you can't really have they guy say i don't know i will have ask someone in the company. when the support and hand holding stage comes around, that kind of statement is ok. as they answer question, as the bank of faq answers get built up they ask us less and less. that why i only teach one new module a year (it generates n! new potential revenue streams so that may slow in the future). Quote:
each building block can combine together with each other building blocks to create new revenue streams. each one of revenue streams have to perfectly balanced in a nash equilibrium. Now granted i know some that work already (because of testing) and i know some that logically should work (because of what i have learned during the teaching and refinement process) but there is a lot of work i need to do. it was worth it, mainly because the membership stuff that could be learned if we work together could add new building blocks to teach (muscians don't have membership sites like you guys do so adapting them to their market would create new revenue streams) but doc took those advantages away in his re-write of the deal. Quote:
the upside is a tiny fraction of the upside i can currently get from what i am doing and if i hit critical mass, i will have valid publishable stats, which means i can simply come here and say. Here the proof, do you want me to do the same thing for you. what docs offering is not only less than what i am currently making is not only less than i can get from any other affiliate program on the market but money i can get in the future once my plans hit critical mass. |
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Porn girls in porn shoots don't do live interaction, they shoot porn in a studio and go home. It's not like I have a studio setup for live cams or chat and for damn sure the storage required by law and all the other equipment, the people to manage and get girls that will do that, the ability to broadcast them online, maintain that, etc. Now if you want that, I will help you make it go live on the 'net. Simply put... this is not opening a paysite with content and you sending 100 sales a day. Quote:
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Zero programs pay him 50% of the total program 'net - ask any affiliate, zero affiliates get paid 50% of the total pgorams 'net. They pay him 50% of what he produces - you get 50% of everything produced. I will gladly pay you 60 or 70 even 75% as an affiliate if you like. |
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I could understand it if you were here trying to sell your service. But you aren't. I could understand you wanting to make a point by showing proof, but you never have shown any proof. But what makes me wonder the most is this: If you really have discovered what you say you have and it is so valuable you are willing to turn away from a deal that could make you millions why are you here talking about different parts of it? Contrary to what you may believe there are some very smart people on this board who have made millions and been part of some major online innovations. If they read your posts and start doing their own research they might just figure out what you are up to. One truism of business is that no matter how smart and talented you are, there is someone out there that is smarter and more talented. So why bother? It isn't like you have changed any minds. What else makes no sense is that (if I understand it correctly) you are willing to share your techniques with the full board with the stipulation that if Robbie uses them he has to release all of his content into the public domain. If your techniques are so valuable why would you just give them away to prove a point? Also, there is no way for you to enforce this agreement. If Robbie uses your technique how are you going to force him to put all his content into the public domain? It seems to me that if I had some kind of formula that made me a lot of money from traffic and users that almost everyone writes off as worthless I would keep my mouth shut, keep my nose to the grindstone and cash in as much as possible before the word gets out, the technology changes or the gravy train comes to an end. |
Basically as stated... in "our industry" how things work - which some people are still making millions and even hundreds of millions a year from - Gideon can not perform.
That was the actual point. He can't take a product like CM and generate a fresh 100 sales a day. He has "his own business idea" which we all have or have had (ie: we're here) and he thinks it's better than the next guys. Even though some parts have already been proven to not work and are 10+ year old ideas already in our Industry. As originally stated, "Think you can pump 100 sales a day?" I now know Gideon can not produce a 100 sales a day. He doesn't know how and does not have the knowledge to do so. |
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as well as hand over all the customer information so i know what accounts to create your really trusting me if that the case since i could simple say sucker and walk away with a bunch of free content. only the copyright holder can setup a tracker properly that the point. that why i said it was your operational cost to do it. Quote:
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If you're responsible for all sales and we spit the total revenue of the program it means you will get paid on the natural sales, search engine sales and any other sales produced across every possible income stream. That is vastly different than any affiliate has in our Industry, probably because you wouldn't be an affiliate - you would be a partner. Reminder: I offered to pay you for the statistics to prove me wrong, and that failed too. |
Gideon you can not produce a 100 sales a day.
Gideon you have never tested 'your ideas' in the real markets in porn or outside of porn. Gideon you do not make money online, other than maybe some beer money. Gideon you have never produced more than 100 sales total online. Not just in porn, everything online, ever. Fuck... I would pay you just to prove me wrong. But that would turn into some stupid twisted deal that even a fool would embark on. I've offered to pay for stats and build a site together, hell just prove me wrong with the email would be an amazing first step. At this point, you're a joke, a nobody, a stain. I'm jumping on the Robbie wagon and just ragging your ass on every single post you make, I'm asking Kane and the others to join in. I'm done talking to you until you prove you can actually live up to any single, micro part of your mouth. |
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one of the conditions of a valid take down request is a declaration of a good faith belief of infringement under penalty of perjury. if he was to agree, then i could simply ignore any take down request he make to me, and still be 100% protected by simply pointing the post he agreed to public domain status and demanding an explaination why he has a good faith belief that public domain content is an infringement. Quote:
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your the one who claims 100 sales a day is normal. that being said if you have done all this already then i need to see an example of each. i am basing what i am saying on your agreement with robbie. and what i have seen of his work (his mistakes) if your not making the same mistakes (your doing everything right) maybe i am wrong then. It possible i didn't think 100 sales a day was a normal every day thing either. Quote:
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that your expertise, you shoot that type of content. that why i want it to be your area. ibangpornstar.com style live interaction would be adding a computer with a web cam and a internet connection to your already established procedure for shooting a model. it just a matter of adding that part to the contract you normally sign with the girl and paying the extra fee. |
More bullshit... nobody said it was normal, it has been made clear it's not normal, it's very clear not everyone could do it, clearly something that will make us a couple million bucks each is not normal or everyone would be 4-5 million a year, if it was normal. If people won't do product placement, the ratio is pulled out of your ass like the rest of your abilities.
I'm time shifting myself to the hot tub... might do some seeding later. I await the forwarded email with the headers that proves you even took step 1. Lots of talk... zero show gideon - tick - tock! |
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Just shows us this stuff. An email, an invoice a canceled check or two and maybe you would have some creditability. Right now you are just a guy who is talking about something you have done and can do yet every time you are asked for proof you fail to deliver. |
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you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio. i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time. i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging. if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it. So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail. Quote:
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It is very simple. Ratios can vary from 1:100 with good traffic up to 1:xx,xxx with bad. If you can supply quality traffic to the site that converts at 1:200 then you would need to send around 20K uniques per day. So whatever it takes to get 20,000 people to the site each day is what you would need to do. Obviously, you would have to adjust that number depending on the quality of the traffic. He said 100 sales per day not because it is the average, but because that was the minimum he would accept to get involved in this project. He isn't going to go to the expense and time to build a site and get everything set up only to have you send 3 joins per day. |
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it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero. that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing. if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here. Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales. |
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Have you made any money yet gideongallery? Do all these mathematical formulas add up to jack shit in the real world? Dude you are seriously, seriously delusional. And how's that torrent recorder thing working out for ya? A few months ago that was your big "get rich scheme" Now you've suddenly become a high paid consultant in marketing? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh And yet you've never marketed anything! You're just copy/pasting stupid shit out of articles you read with mathematical equations and theories on sales. Guess what dumbass...those equations are leaving out the most important thing: Competing with FREE And that is SUPPOSED to be what you were going to show us how to overcome. How about this gideongallery: Show the screenshot of the email to TheDoc. Prove that just ONE thing you have said isn't a lie. You can't. You are the most impotent human being I've ever met. You can't do ANYTHING. I can say without a doubt that you are simply and utterly useless on GFY. Please leave. You don't belong here and should be BANNED for not being a member of the adult business. I'm pretty sure that the new rules here require new members to prove they are in the industry before being approved. So if you tried signing up to GFY now you would NOT be approved. Keep on making a big dumbass target of yourself and I'll go out of my way to see to it that you get banned for not being in this industry. And I'll pull all my links to adult.com, playboywebmasters, and realitycash to make my point to the mods if necessary. How does that sound to you gideongallery? Now show proof of you email, or else I would suggest that you shut the fuck up. |
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At this point all you do is talk talk talk and offer up a bunch of ideas that are based on IF's Show the email you sent to Doc and show some proof that you actually have applied these ideas and made some money and maybe people will take you more seriously. As of now you come off like a little punk who comes up with a million reasons why they shouldn't go through with something. PS. if you are betting your future on long term streams of revenue from musicians, you are in for a real awakening. Most musicians have a career that lasts less than 5 years and about 99% of them don't make much money during that 5 years and those that do hit it big will most likely jump to a major label and dump your ass. If you believe you are going to teach a bunch of musicians how to make money with their music online and have it be a lifetime revenue stream, you have give zero thought to your long term plan. |
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Your mouth makes it sound as if you want to compare what you do to what we do, "we" produce sales. We being people like myself, Robbie, kane and lots of others that have actually make money, made millions yearly from the sales produced daily, from what was created from scratch, from what we actually know and have done. That's the point, we aren't pretending to know what we do, because we actually do it every day. Hahaha, itvx q-ratio, you sure think highly of our Industry - that sure is nice of ya. I hate repeating myself, but again.. ratios mean nothing when they won't advertise in porn - that's before them laughing at our viewing numbers. You can stop pretending you have a clue now, we all know you don't. Now you're just being laughed at... |
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have you ever thought that reason you can't get it to work is that your doing it "bass ackwards". statements like this make me suspect you haven't done product placement at all (not in mainstream either) since any competent advertiser would have asked for the metrics. but again i give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask for the product placement "have done ... before" Quote:
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What have you ever created that was original or helped create or brokered, that actually got enough views that you could get product placement in it and make an income? That's really how we know you haven't done it. It should be easy to tell us which video, movie, music video or whatever it was, I'm sure it's in the millions of views/downloads... care to share? Quote:
You wouldn't be talking about the email you sent me, would you? That you could easily post screenshots of and forward me the sent email which would have the sent headers in it.... Remember, you lied about sending an email to me with the deal - everyone here knows you didn't, because you can't backup anything you claim. The 3 Kings await your return post with proof! Anything else is will be treated as an act of treason against the great gfy kingdom! |
I don't get why idiots try to deal with an idiot.
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so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead. i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn. btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question what was the product placement you claimed you have done before. |
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This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again? No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones. |
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so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain. |
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Clearly the deal isn't going to happen. At this point people think you are 100% full of shit. At least if you showed proof that you sent the email or that you actually make money with your ideas it would give you something resembling a sliver of creditability. |
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