Obama VS Arizona

[Vendzilla]

The citizens voted to protect themselves from the drug cartels and illegal immigrants of Mexico.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...,2369640.story

Obamanation sided with Mexico


and then I hear more about this case
Black Panthers get a pass on voter intimidation case

The Justice Department under President George W. Bush filed criminal charges against the two men. After Obama took office, default judgments resulted when the defendants failed to show for their trials. But Holder's Justice Department later dropped the charges following a plea deal in which one of the men agreed not to carry a weapon near the Philadelphia polling place until 2012. Both men are now free to intimidate voters again

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...#ixzz0sxKpb5rf


I guess that silly thing where Obamanation is suppose to protect the people of the US is just not going to happen anymore?

[brassmonkey]

omg and you use a damn chicago website if i were you id buy some extra bullets and get your windows barred enjoy that loud shitty music and drunk drivers.

[spacedog]

My theory on this;

The Osama administration wants as many illegals in this nation as possible before they push amnesty down our throats, cause those illegals will more than likely vote democratic in 2012 and the fucking megalomaniac in the white house knows he will not win a re-election without those 11.5 million illegals votes.. (or whatever how fucking many there are)

[NetHorse]

Obama is a piece of shit. There is nothing surprising here.

[kane]

Originally Posted by spacedog

My theory on this;

The Osama administration wants as many illegals in this nation as possible before they push amnesty down our throats, cause those illegals will more than likely vote democratic in 2012 and the fucking megalomaniac in the white house knows he will not win a re-election without those 11.5 million illegals votes.. (or whatever how fucking many there are)

This is not new news. Bush talked about creating a "pathway to citizenship" for illegals a few years back because he knew two things. 1. We currently don't have the money or resources to find and removed as many as 20 million people and 2. If a republican paved they way for them to stay here, they may then vote republican.

His party tore him up for it so it never happened. Obama is wanting to do the same thing.

The black and Latino populations in this country are going to increase by 300-400% over the next 12-15 years. Both parties desperately want those voters.

[Odin]

Obama presidency sure is heading down a hill. I know a lot of die-hard Obama voters, and previous apologists, who stuck with him for a long time (Black and White people) who have straight up turned against him. Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence should. Not that it matters, the next President will be just as bad, but hopefully Obama ends as a one term President.

[Raf1]

Originally Posted by kane

This is not new news. Bush talked about creating a "pathway to citizenship" for illegals a few years back because he knew two things. 1. We currently don't have the money or resources to find and removed as many as 20 million people and 2. If a republican paved they way for them to stay here, they may then vote republican.

His party tore him up for it so it never happened. Obama is wanting to do the same thing.

The black and Latino populations in this country are going to increase by 300-400% over the next 12-15 years. Both parties desperately want those voters.

this is very true. It's all politics...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Chief

Obama presidency sure is heading down a hill. I know a lot of die-hard Obama voters, and previous apologists, who stuck with him for a long time (Black and White people) who have straight up turned against him. Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence should. Not that it matters, the next President will be just as bad, but hopefully Obama ends as a one term President.

people choked down both bush's bullshit almost 20 years worth and both went to war. wars are very expensive and alot of people die. at least he didn't try that. iam disappointed that he is trying to control issues that he promised to put at the top of his agenda.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

Obama is a piece of shit. There is nothing surprising here.

Pretty much how I view him ;)

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Pretty much how I view him ;)

hahaha!! if he moves towards amnesty i bet he will be impeached.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

hahaha!! if he moves towards amnesty i bet he will be impeached.

We couldn't get so lucky. While they are at it, we need to replace his band of merry men too.....the whole damn system needs an overhaul with individuals that will enforce the laws and work for the people and not for the greedy pockets.....

[Vendzilla]

If most of the illegal aliens that would get amnesty go democrat, that would mean major shift in power in the two party system and really fuck up any chance of balance in the country, we wold be SOOOOOOO fucked.
As it stands right now, we have more democrats than GOP, the Democrats are loosing numbers right now because of the bullshit that Obamanation is doing, or not doing, and the GOP is steady. Independents are growing.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

We couldn't get so lucky. While they are at it, we need to replace his band of merry men too.....the whole damn system needs an overhaul with individuals that will enforce the laws and work for the people and not for the greedy pockets.....

rumor is hes trying to get the hispanic votes.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by NetHorse

Obama is a piece of shit. There is nothing surprising here.

Love that Banner ;)

[mountainmiester]

Originally Posted by kane

This is not new news. Bush talked about creating a "pathway to citizenship" for illegals a few years back because he knew two things. 1. We currently don't have the money or resources to find and removed as many as 20 million people and 2. If a republican paved they way for them to stay here, they may then vote republican.

Why is that when anyone disagrees with Obama they throw up the Bush card. So fucking what?? Bush was a moron too!! If he wasn't such a moron, we wouldn't have Obama in office.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by mountainmiester

Why is that when anyone disagrees with Obama they throw up the Bush card. So fucking what?? Bush was a moron too!! If he wasn't such a moron, we wouldn't have Obama in office.

I think the past administrations turned a blind eye as is the new administration, so who ever is in office is going to get the heat.
Oslami is getting it because he is carbon copy of the past leaders....nothing different just another asshole in office that won't enforce the federal law.

If we would protect our borders like we are protecting other countries borders, we probably would not have too many problems.....

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by mountainmiester

Why is that when anyone disagrees with Obama they throw up the Bush card. So fucking what?? Bush was a moron too!! If he wasn't such a moron, we wouldn't have Obama in office.

Even the democratic party is getting tired of Blaming Bush and think Obamanation needs to own his presidency

[kane]

Originally Posted by mountainmiester

Why is that when anyone disagrees with Obama they throw up the Bush card. So fucking what?? Bush was a moron too!! If he wasn't such a moron, we wouldn't have Obama in office.

I mentioned it as a point that this is nothing new. I'm no blaming Bush. Every president since Reagan ( and maybe before) has talked about immigration reform. It has been something that has been on the public's radar for 30 years now so when people say that Obama has planned this as a way to gain voters, it is nothing new. Every president in recent times has tried to figure out how to capitalize on these potential voters.

I personally feel it is all about politics for both parties. The GOP is in trouble. They see the trends on the horizon and know that they have to do something if they want to remain relevant in the future. As I said, it was reported that the Latino and black populations in this country will grow by 300-400% in the next 12-15 years. During that same amount of time the number of white people will stay about the same. Blacks and Latinos tend to vote democrat. If Obama can win them over and in the process make the 10-20 million illegals legal and pro-democrat, it is a game changer. Add into the fact that young people are voting democrat in far larger numbers today than they have in the past and that the younger generation (those who will be eligible to vote in the next 5-7 years) are more liberal - at least from a social standpoint - than generations past and the writing is on the wall for the GOP.

I don't doubt their sincerity. I think the governor of Arizona is trying to protect her state and feels that illegals are causing them a major financial drain (I happen to agree with her), but understand that this fight has as much to do with the future of the American voter as it does protecting the economy of a state. If the GOP can stand up to Obama on this and win and prove that they are trying to protect the country it could go a long way towards helping them regain power. If they lose and Obama finds a way to make all these illegals citizens it would be a huge blow to the GOP that they may never fully recover from.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

I mentioned it as a point that this is nothing new. I'm no blaming Bush. Every president since Reagan ( and maybe before) has talked about immigration reform. It has been something that has been on the public's radar for 30 years now so when people say that Obama has planned this as a way to gain voters, it is nothing new. Every president in recent times has tried to figure out how to capitalize on these potential voters.

I personally feel it is all about politics for both parties. The GOP is in trouble. They see the trends on the horizon and know that they have to do something if they want to remain relevant in the future. As I said, it was reported that the Latino and black populations in this country will grow by 300-400% in the next 12-15 years. During that same amount of time the number of white people will stay about the same. Blacks and Latinos tend to vote democrat. If Obama can win them over and in the process make the 10-20 million illegals legal and pro-democrat, it is a game changer. Add into the fact that young people are voting democrat in far larger numbers today than they have in the past and that the younger generation (those who will be eligible to vote in the next 5-7 years) are more liberal - at least from a social standpoint - than generations past and the writing is on the wall for the GOP.

I don't doubt their sincerity. I think the governor of Arizona is trying to protect her state and feels that illegals are causing them a major financial drain (I happen to agree with her), but understand that this fight has as much to do with the future of the American voter as it does protecting the economy of a state. If the GOP can stand up to Obama on this and win and prove that they are trying to protect the country it could go a long way towards helping them regain power. If they lose and Obama finds a way to make all these illegals citizens it would be a huge blow to the GOP that they may never fully recover from.

If you check Rasmussen and other outlets, you'll see that's not the case. Democratic party is on the decline, GOP is steady and the Independents are on the rise

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If you check Rasmussen and other outlets, you'll see that's not the case. Democratic party is on the decline, GOP is steady and the Independents are on the rise

It is nothing new...the Democrats used to out number the Republicans by far and for the past twenty years or more the Democrats have been on the decline in comparison to the Republicans whom have narrowed the gap between the two parties. Independents being on the rise means very little at this point in time as there are only two viable parties and that is the Democratic party and the Republican party.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If you check Rasmussen and other outlets, you'll see that's not the case. Democratic party is on the decline, GOP is steady and the Independents are on the rise

It isn't about today. It is about 10-15 years from now. Right now more people are registering as Independents than Democrat or Republican combined. The Democrats have been harder hit in that area and have lost more people who identify as Democrats than the Republicans have, but that doesn't mean these new independents won't vote Democrat. The number of Democrat leaning independents and Republican leaning independents is almost identical, at least according to Gallup. So even though the Democrats have lost about 13% of the total number of people who identified themselves as Democrats at the time of the election it doesn't mean most of those people are suddenly going to vote republican.

Here are some stats about what I was talking about pulled from various sources.

Many people call the current generation (those who are around 15-25 years old) Millennials. By 2015 these people will make up 33% of the electorate. 39% of these voters identify themselves as non-white. In many states the number of young voters tripled or quadrupled their turnout as compared to 2004.

These young voters supported democrats by a 2 to 1 margin in 2008.

47% of these people identify themselves as Democrats.

Voter turnout among this age group has risen in each of the last three elections.

Right now there is a general discord among many voters. They are angry with both parties and are starting to identify themselves as independents. However, the question is "who will they support?" Just like the Tea Party 95% of the time supports republicans, many of these new independents are going to be left leaning. As this age group comes into power and more and more blacks and Latinos are voting, odds are they are going to swing democrat whether they identify as democrat or not.

The Republican party has been trying hard to reach out to these voters over the last several years, but has had very little luck. They are trying to shed their image as the party of the rich white guy, but have had very little luck. This doesn't mean they will not be relevant in the next few elections, they will. They will likely win back the house this fall and have a very slim chance of winning back the senate as well.

What has to be worrying them is 10-15 years down the road. If they want to remain relevant they are going to have to expand their base. They are going to have to either pull in more middle class white people or figure out a way attract black and Latino voters. It seems like they have decided to go the route of attracting more middle class white voters by kicking up the heavy immigration reform talk. They know if they can get the law in Arizona to stick it will catch on and more states will quickly follow suit. This could kill their chances with a lot of minorities, but it could bring them in a bunch more white voters.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

It isn't about today. It is about 10-15 years from now. Right now more people are registering as Independents than Democrat or Republican combined. The Democrats have been harder hit in that area and have lost more people who identify as Democrats than the Republicans have, but that doesn't mean these new independents won't vote Democrat. The number of Democrat leaning independents and Republican leaning independents is almost identical, at least according to Gallup. So even though the Democrats have lost about 13% of the total number of people who identified themselves as Democrats at the time of the election it doesn't mean most of those people are suddenly going to vote republican.

Here are some stats about what I was talking about pulled from various sources.

Many people call the current generation (those who are around 15-25 years old) Millennials. By 2015 these people will make up 33% of the electorate. 39% of these voters identify themselves as non-white. In many states the number of young voters tripled or quadrupled their turnout as compared to 2004.

These young voters supported democrats by a 2 to 1 margin in 2008.

47% of these people identify themselves as Democrats.

Voter turnout among this age group has risen in each of the last three elections.

Right now there is a general discord among many voters. They are angry with both parties and are starting to identify themselves as independents. However, the question is "who will they support?" Just like the Tea Party 95% of the time supports republicans, many of these new independents are going to be left leaning. As this age group comes into power and more and more blacks and Latinos are voting, odds are they are going to swing democrat whether they identify as democrat or not.

The Republican party has been trying hard to reach out to these voters over the last several years, but has had very little luck. They are trying to shed their image as the party of the rich white guy, but have had very little luck. This doesn't mean they will not be relevant in the next few elections, they will. They will likely win back the house this fall and have a very slim chance of winning back the senate as well.

What has to be worrying them is 10-15 years down the road. If they want to remain relevant they are going to have to expand their base. They are going to have to either pull in more middle class white people or figure out a way attract black and Latino voters. It seems like they have decided to go the route of attracting more middle class white voters by kicking up the heavy immigration reform talk. They know if they can get the law in Arizona to stick it will catch on and more states will quickly follow suit. This could kill their chances with a lot of minorities, but it could bring them in a bunch more white voters.

This isn't 2008, it's 2010 and everything has changed.
Seen the numbers on the Tea Party Movement?
You can call them right wing, you can call them a bunch of pissed off republicans
End result, they as making a difference. And doing so without violence or threatening people, unlike the Black Panthers.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This isn't 2008, it's 2010 and everything has changed.
Seen the numbers on the Tea Party Movement?
You can call them right wing, you can call them a bunch of pissed off republicans
End result, they as making a difference. And doing so without violence or threatening people, unlike the Black Panthers.

And they will vote Republican 95% of the time. Just like these new left leaning independents will vote Democrat 95% of the time.

Nothing has really changed in the last two years other than how people refer to themselves. Hell, even the so called "anti-incumbent" feelings that are supposedly filling the nation doesn't really exist. In the primary elections there were 84 incumbent candidates. 82 of them won. 1 had to go to a run-off vote and the only one that actually lost is a guy considered to be the most corrupt politician in the nation. That sounds to me like not much has changed.

Also, are these the same non-threatening Tea Party members who screamed racial names at black congressman and spit on Barney Frank? That seems like it might be at least a little bit threatening to me.

As I have said all along I will be impressed by the Tea Party when they rally behind real independent candidates and help them get elected. Until then, to me, they are just another branch of the Republican party.

[mayabong]

All this stuff i crazy as shit

[charlie g]

Many ridiculed Ron Paul supporters. I just wonder if people could change their vote now, how many would choose him over Obama and McCain.

[kane]

Originally Posted by charlie g

Many ridiculed Ron Paul supporters. I just wonder if people could change their vote now, how many would choose him over Obama and McCain.

Honestly, I think it would be about the same number that actually supported him to begin with. He might have a few more votes, but I don't think it would be that many more.

I feel this way because I think for all the talk people do they really don't want things to change. They say they want change, but really they don't. If people really wanted change they wouldn't keep voting the same people into office over and over again and again. But they do.

[DaddyHalbucks]

If Skinheads tried to tell Blacks they couldn't vote.. can you imagine the shit storm of civil rights indictments and prosecutions that would be heaped on them?

[GrouchyAdmin]

It figures an illegal alien would wish to protect his own agenda..

[DaddyHalbucks]

"Kill some crackers:"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

Nancy Pelosi is "concerned" about the middle aged white women in the Tea Party:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jBvAgr_zvo8

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

"Kill some crackers:"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE

This guy will end up in a ditch one day. I am surprised they let this idiot go scott
free.

Nancy Pelosi is "concerned" about the middle aged white women in the Tea Party:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jBvAgr_zvo8

Man I can't stand that fucking bitch...fuck her

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

If Skinheads tried to tell Blacks they couldn't vote.. can you imagine the shit storm of civil rights indictments and prosecutions that would be heaped on them?

No kidding.... and if Blacks tried to tell Skinheads & Rednecks they couldn't vote, they would blow it out of proportion and say things like "hurled racial slurs" - oh the damage, oh the crime, oh the .... scary black people?

Where they like using sling shots and shooting the words at them or throwing buckets of words at them? Or was it sticks and stones that broke the bones?

Man, our race is a bunch of whinny pussies.

[TheDoc]

Naaaa, no way this would make blacks a bit nervous... I'm sure they have a token in the crowed to make blacks feel at home, just not in this picture.

Hold a racial sign and you're fine... speak racial words, and your right to protest ends. Welp, learned something new today I guess.

[brassmonkey]

im surprised this went racial(yeah right)

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

im surprised this went racial(yeah right)

You know this is the way it always goes.......

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Naaaa, no way this would make blacks a bit nervous... I'm sure they have a token in the crowed to make blacks feel at home, just not in this picture.

Hold a racial sign and you're fine... speak racial words, and your right to protest ends. Welp, learned something new today I guess.

You really believe the words you just typed? some douche bag holding a sign that reads "white slavery" is akin to someone advocating the killing of babies of another race? Are you serious? Would you consider Al Sharpton holding a sign that GW Bush wanted black slavery the same as David Duke talking shit at a public rally about killing black babies? I really want to know your rationalization for your comments posted here... should be eye-opening.

One is just an idiot, one is inciting racial violence... care to guess which is which?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

And they will vote Republican 95% of the time. Just like these new left leaning independents will vote Democrat 95% of the time.

Nothing has really changed in the last two years other than how people refer to themselves. Hell, even the so called "anti-incumbent" feelings that are supposedly filling the nation doesn't really exist. In the primary elections there were 84 incumbent candidates. 82 of them won. 1 had to go to a run-off vote and the only one that actually lost is a guy considered to be the most corrupt politician in the nation. That sounds to me like not much has changed.

Also, are these the same non-threatening Tea Party members who screamed racial names at black congressman and spit on Barney Frank? That seems like it might be at least a little bit threatening to me.

As I have said all along I will be impressed by the Tea Party when they rally behind real independent candidates and help them get elected. Until then, to me, they are just another branch of the Republican party.

You watch MSNBC don't you?
It was the anti-incumbent feeling that the democrats ran on in 06 and took the house and senate, they ran on change and well we got it didn't we?
With all the cameras rolling, they showed the video and the Tea Party offered $15k to anyone that could prove that he intentionally spat on the congressmen. They never had to pay out on that, so your statement is well for lack of better word, Bull Shit.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/il...ent-proof.html
But the black panthers, we have video on those racist assholes
Also you might be interested in the fact the Tea Party backed a democrat. I only say this is hopes you will try to educate yourself in whats going on in the world and not rely on just one news source
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_538837.html

Primaries aren't whats going to change the government, it's the general elections that are going to show. This is just parties figuring out who is going to run in their party.
So keep digging in that pile of horse shit, there's a pony in there

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Man I can't stand that fucking bitch...fuck her

I'm with you on that, with statements like, we'll know whats in the healthcare bill AFTER we sign it? She needs a new job

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

You know this is the way it always goes.......

when they run out of reason and common sense, the race card is played
Except this time, it's things like the Beer Summit and the deal with the Black Panthers that show where the racisim truely is!

[sexdatesj]

OBAMA IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING IDIOT! Far worse then Bush!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by charlie g

You really believe the words you just typed? some douche bag holding a sign that reads "white slavery" is akin to someone advocating the killing of babies of another race? Are you serious? Would you consider Al Sharpton holding a sign that GW Bush wanted black slavery the same as David Duke talking shit at a public rally about killing black babies? I really want to know your rationalization for your comments posted here... should be eye-opening.

One is just an idiot, one is inciting racial violence... care to guess which is which?

Yes, I believe in absolute freedom of speech. I don't see why we should limit his speech about violence or his thoughts, when movies, music, games, etc are far more violent and expressive than him.

Was your freedoms harmed by the inciting of racial violence? No, just like the guys sign didn't hurt anyone - that doesn't excuse them from racist shit stains.

Do you support limited freedom of speech when it doesn't match your beliefs?

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You watch MSNBC don't you?
It was the anti-incumbent feeling that the democrats ran on in 06 and took the house and senate, they ran on change and well we got it didn't we?
With all the cameras rolling, they showed the video and the Tea Party offered $15k to anyone that could prove that he intentionally spat on the congressmen. They never had to pay out on that, so your statement is well for lack of better word, Bull Shit.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/il...ent-proof.html
But the black panthers, we have video on those racist assholes
Also you might be interested in the fact the Tea Party backed a democrat. I only say this is hopes you will try to educate yourself in whats going on in the world and not rely on just one news source
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_538837.html

Primaries aren't whats going to change the government, it's the general elections that are going to show. This is just parties figuring out who is going to run in their party.
So keep digging in that pile of horse shit, there's a pony in there


I'm with you on that, with statements like, we'll know whats in the healthcare bill AFTER we sign it? She needs a new job

I'm not interested in getting into a debate about racial tensions, black panthers or whether or not the Tea Party is racists.

Here is what will happen:

Most Tea Party members are republicans. They admit it. They will vote republican. The republicans will gain seats in the house and senate. Historically speaking the party that wins the white house then loses an average of 28 seats in the house and 4 seats in the senate in the follow mid-term election. I think they will lose more than that in the house and will probably lose control of the house. I don't think the democrats will lose control of the senate, but I think it will be close and they will end up with just a 2 -4 seat majority.

What will this change? Will the republicans suddenly force the president to stop spending? Maybe. But they themselves have always spent money too so it isn't like they are suddenly the fiscally conservative people they make themselves out to be. Is this time different? Do they really mean it this time? I doubt it. When things are good economically the republicans run on platform of moral change. When things are bad they run on a platform of less government, less taxes and less spending. Of course they never deliver.

I'm not saying the democrats do either. Both parties are liars, cheats, frauds and . . . well. . . politicians. What we are going to get is more of the same. Party A fucked things up so Party B gets elected. Party B hasn't fixed it yet so Party A gets another chance and we play the game over and over and over again.

My original point in this thread is that I feel the republican party is in a downward slide. They are relevant today and they will be for the next few elections, but as the make-up of this country changes and society mutates they are going to have to either make some changes or broaden their appeal if they want to continue to be relevant. Maybe them losing relevance is a good thing. Maybe we will eventually end up with three parties. We will have the democrats, the republicans which represent the very conservative and the tea party (or whatever they end up named) that is more in the middle and is more libertarian.

Maybe I'm wrong. But if I were the head of the republican party and I saw the types of changes that are coming about in this country from a racial make-up and ideology standpoint, I would be worried.

[PenisFace]

Americans are wacky

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, I believe in absolute freedom of speech. I don't see why we should limit his speech about violence or his thoughts, when movies, music, games, etc are far more violent and expressive than him.

Was your freedoms harmed by the inciting of racial violence? No, just like the guys sign didn't hurt anyone - that doesn't excuse them from racist shit stains.

Do you support limited freedom of speech when it doesn't match your beliefs?

My beliefs have nothing to do with this Doc. I do not agree this man should be sent to jail because he was not committing a crime. My issue was with your photograph. One clearly advocates violence, the other does not. You imply black people should be frightened by a white guy holding a sign (that does not advocate violence). How you can equate the two instances shows how far race relations still need to come.

Originally Posted by charlie g

You really believe the words you just typed? some douche bag holding a sign that reads "white slavery" is akin to someone advocating the killing of babies of another race? Are you serious? Would you consider Al Sharpton holding a sign that GW Bush wanted black slavery the same as David Duke talking shit at a public rally about killing black babies? I really want to know your rationalization for your comments posted here... should be eye-opening.

One is just an idiot, one is inciting racial violence... care to guess which is which?

Al Sharpton is one of the biggest racist there is to date. He never apologized for his remarks and actions in the Tawana Brawley case. Al Sharpton riles people up to the point they do stupid shit and yes that is just as scary as David Duke talking about killing black babies.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_...pe_allegations


Tawana Brawley (born 1972) is an African American woman from Wappinger, New York. In 1987, at the age of 15, she received national media attention in the US for accusing six white men, some of whom were police officers, of having raped her. The accusations soon earned her notoriety, which was inflamed by Brawley's advisors (including the Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason), the statements of various public officials, and intense media attention. After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of an attack. The New York prosecutor whom Brawley accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by charlie g

My beliefs have nothing to do with this Doc. I do not agree this man should be sent to jail because he was not committing a crime. My issue was with your photograph. One clearly advocates violence, the other does not. You imply black people should be frightened by a white guy holding a sign (that does not advocate violence). How you can equate the two instances shows how far race relations still need to come.

Are you implying blacks aren't frightened by large groups of mostly older white males, some of which are holding racist signs? That's the point of the photograph. If you want I could swap it out with some skinheads, kkk members, etc groups in our Country that express the racist views in a bit more direct violent messages.

It's all the same though, neither are actually being violent and both are being racists using the message to push fear into others that are all already racist. One just has a different set of balls than the other.

[charlie g]

Are blacks scared by this sign????? Please, some white guy holding a sign that reads "white slavery" intimidates blacks? Really ridiculous.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by kane

...The black and Latino populations in this country are going to increase by 300-400% over the next 12-15 years. Both parties desperately want those voters.

The black population though are American and here legally.. The majority of them and their ancestors were born here.. They're as american as apple pie and they belong here.. They helped build this nation, they contributed to America... the latter group however are more akin to a plaque of locusts and leaches..

Every political candidate deserves to gain black voters and represent their interests and wants because those people EARNED that right.. The latter group however, if here via ILLEGAL means, don't deserve SHIT.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm not interested in getting into a debate about racial tensions, black panthers or whether or not the Tea Party is racists.

Here is what will happen:

Most Tea Party members are republicans. They admit it. They will vote republican. The republicans will gain seats in the house and senate. Historically speaking the party that wins the white house then loses an average of 28 seats in the house and 4 seats in the senate in the follow mid-term election. I think they will lose more than that in the house and will probably lose control of the house. I don't think the democrats will lose control of the senate, but I think it will be close and they will end up with just a 2 -4 seat majority.

What will this change? Will the republicans suddenly force the president to stop spending? Maybe. But they themselves have always spent money too so it isn't like they are suddenly the fiscally conservative people they make themselves out to be. Is this time different? Do they really mean it this time? I doubt it. When things are good economically the republicans run on platform of moral change. When things are bad they run on a platform of less government, less taxes and less spending. Of course they never deliver.

I'm not saying the democrats do either. Both parties are liars, cheats, frauds and . . . well. . . politicians. What we are going to get is more of the same. Party A fucked things up so Party B gets elected. Party B hasn't fixed it yet so Party A gets another chance and we play the game over and over and over again.

My original point in this thread is that I feel the republican party is in a downward slide. They are relevant today and they will be for the next few elections, but as the make-up of this country changes and society mutates they are going to have to either make some changes or broaden their appeal if they want to continue to be relevant. Maybe them losing relevance is a good thing. Maybe we will eventually end up with three parties. We will have the democrats, the republicans which represent the very conservative and the tea party (or whatever they end up named) that is more in the middle and is more libertarian.

Maybe I'm wrong. But if I were the head of the republican party and I saw the types of changes that are coming about in this country from a racial make-up and ideology standpoint, I would be worried.

You really didn't answer anything I stated
The GOP has been moving more to conservatism and away from the religious right, people have had enough of that and the GOP has been pushing that, so you stated that the GOP is not relevant is Bull Shit, their numbers aren't shrinking, the Democrats are. Check Rasmussen.
What Bush did to the GOP, Obamanation is doing to the Democrats right now.
Tea Party movement? It's not the GOP they are backing, they are backing conservatives. So if a GOP hopeful of their support wants to be elected, they must prove they have conservative views.

Right now I think we have the most out of touch president we have ever had and I can tell you that if he looses the house to the GOP this November, the spending will stop, some of his fuck ups will loose funding and he's going to have to play ball with the party he has been bashing for the last 2 years, just like Bill Clinton did, or he will be a one term president

I think he is arrogant, a racist, giving the BS with the Black Panthers and the Beer Summit BS. And I'm getting tired of the President of the US telling us what he is doing will work, I want results, I want to see some sign of it working. The only way the unemployment % has gone down is because funding has stopped for so many. The unemployment % is based on how many people are collecting unemployment and many have been unemployed so long that they are dropping off the map!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, I believe in absolute freedom of speech. I don't see why we should limit his speech about violence or his thoughts, when movies, music, games, etc are far more violent and expressive than him.

Was your freedoms harmed by the inciting of racial violence? No, just like the guys sign didn't hurt anyone - that doesn't excuse them from racist shit stains.

Do you support limited freedom of speech when it doesn't match your beliefs?

Freedom of Speech should be absolute, to a point
Protesting at cemeteries, that's something people should have their collective asses beat for.
If people want to be a racist, they have that right, I mean the President has shown he is, why can't everyone else?
I love when a black guy gets called a racist, they get all pissy.They think because they are black, they special consideration, fuck them

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You really didn't answer anything I stated
The GOP has been moving more to conservatism and away from the religious right, people have had enough of that and the GOP has been pushing that, so you stated that the GOP is not relevant is Bull Shit, their numbers aren't shrinking, the Democrats are. Check Rasmussen.
What Bush did to the GOP, Obamanation is doing to the Democrats right now.
Tea Party movement? It's not the GOP they are backing, they are backing conservatives. So if a GOP hopeful of their support wants to be elected, they must prove they have conservative views.

Right now I think we have the most out of touch president we have ever had and I can tell you that if he looses the house to the GOP this November, the spending will stop, some of his fuck ups will loose funding and he's going to have to play ball with the party he has been bashing for the last 2 years, just like Bill Clinton did, or he will be a one term president

I think he is arrogant, a racist, giving the BS with the Black Panthers and the Beer Summit BS. And I'm getting tired of the President of the US telling us what he is doing will work, I want results, I want to see some sign of it working. The only way the unemployment % has gone down is because funding has stopped for so many. The unemployment % is based on how many people are collecting unemployment and many have been unemployed so long that they are dropping off the map!

Our problems run much deeper than anyone in office can fix. The politicians will be the last to figure this out. (or at least the last to openly admit it.) The 'Pit of Despair' that Bush dug for us is deep. The stimulus didn't work, the low interest rates didn't work, bailing out Wall Street and mortgage lenders didn't work (for us anyway), nothing has worked.... so now what? What do we try next?

You can falsely prop up a failing economy for only so long. The money is gone. We just need to accept it now. It's time for the final stage.

* 1. Denial and Isolation.
* 2. Anger.
* 3. Bargaining.
* 4. Depression.
* 5. Acceptance.

[CynBabes]

I think the stance Arizona has taken in funny considering it was just a few years ago that 3 of their republican senators were trying to pass an "amnesty" bill, the Kolbe-McCain-Flake Immigant Worker Visa Bill, which would have not only allowed the illegals who are here to stay, but would have allowed American business's to "import" as many illegal workers and they wanted/needed.