What concerts are on your must see list? - GoFuckYourself.com

CarlosTheGaucho · 06-21-2010, 11:47 AM

Meaning acts you haven't seen yet,

For me:

ZZ Top (already missed them twice)

AC DC (usually sold out within 5 minutes)

Van Halen (not sure if they're touring Europe)

Jane's Addiction (hope they won't break up till I see them)

Tina Turner (although she announced retirement already)

Prince (major regret I haven't got to his concert in 3121 in Vegas 2007)

Tom Waits (last European concert in Berlin was sold out within 15 minutes)

Amputate Your Head · 06-21-2010, 11:52 AM

I would have to say none. They're too loud, too much pushing and shoving, too crowded, too expensive, too much hassle, and the studio recorded versions always sound better. But I'll happily go to any comedy show where we can sit down and enjoy it like civilized people.

Or any outdoor reggae concert where everyone is spread out on the grass and chillin' out.

dyna mo · 06-21-2010, 11:55 AM

lady gaga august 11th fuckkkkkk yeassssssssssssss!!!!!

BlackCrayon · 06-21-2010, 11:56 AM

Too many to list so I will just list ones I will see this summer..

Iron Maiden
Rush
Tom Petty
Alice Cooper
Lynyrd Skynyrd
The Dead Weather
Roger Waters (The Wall tour)

I recently saw Hank III after waiting 8 years to see him. It was the most fun I've had at a concert in years despite the pushing punk kids and barfing bikers.

I saw ACDC last year. We had good seats on the floor but the venue sucked for sound.

I could have seen ZZ Top this past Saturday but had to attend a friends birthday party instead :/

2012 · 06-21-2010, 12:00 PM

Boy George reunion tour

Bryan G · 06-21-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

lady gaga august 11th fuckkkkkk yeassssssssssssss!!!!!

Hope ypu're joking

kane · 06-21-2010, 12:01 PM

The only two I can think of right now are Roger Waters The Wall Tour and the Soundgarden reunion tour.

ottopottomouse · 06-21-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

...and the studio recorded versions always sound better....

This is the one thing that really puts me off. I hate people singing even a tiny bit out of tune.

BlackCrayon · 06-21-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

This is the one thing that really puts me off. I hate people singing even a tiny bit out of tune.

live music is real music. music without mistakes is just robotic. todays music is made so much with computers that it sounds pretty phoney.

dyna mo · 06-21-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Hope ypu're joking

not at all, it will be the 2nd show of hers we've attended. she puts on an unbelievable show that's very entertaining and the g/f gets so hot &bothered she takes it out on me after.

ottopottomouse · 06-21-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

live music is real music. music without mistakes is just robotic. todays music is made so much with computers that it sounds pretty phoney.

I suppose I like electronic music more. Would throw the same amount of money at going to a good club as people spend on going to a concert

LeRoy · 06-21-2010, 12:34 PM

Roger Waters is on my must see list

czarina · 06-21-2010, 12:39 PM

any concerts by
Jon Bon Jovi or Luis Miguel

I keep beating myself up for not going to see the 3 tenors when they were in my area. Too late now that Pavarotti is gone!

Antonio · 06-21-2010, 12:40 PM

there's a rock festival starrting tomorrow with Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Rammstein, Manowar, and Alice in Chains

I kinda wanted to go, but got lazy because I live like 4-5 hours drive away

fuzebox · 06-21-2010, 12:41 PM

ACDC. I'll make it happen even if I have to fly to Milwaukee to see em.

BlackCrayon · 06-21-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

I suppose I like electronic music more. Would throw the same amount of money at going to a good club as people spend on going to a concert

Ah, yeah I am not into electronic music at all so I can see where you are coming from regarding that genre.

GetInSpace · 06-21-2010, 12:47 PM

Rush!
Stp!
Roger waters - the wall

mineistaken · 06-21-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

AC DC (usually sold out within 5 minutes)

Tom Waits (last European concert in Berlin was sold out within 15 minutes)

Sometimes I wonder why don't they increase ticket prices? If its being sold out in minutes means you can earn way way more by higher ticket prices. Don't they have basic and smart technique to control thos process "playing" with prices and numbers of tickets being sold at said prices so that they could squeeze the most money out of it?

kane · 06-21-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Sometimes I wonder why don't they increase ticket prices? If its being sold out in minutes means you can earn way way more by higher ticket prices. Don't they have basic and smart technique to control thos process "playing" with prices and numbers of tickets being sold at said prices so that they could squeeze the most money out of it?

In many cases they could charge 3 times what they do and still sell out in minutes. It just depends on where they are and what the demand is. Many artists, however, are afraid of being looked down on by their fans and they want all of their fans, no matter how much money they make, to be able to see them live in concert. So they feel it is better for them to keep the ticket prices down a little bit, sell out fast and make everyone happy than to charge two or three times as much, make a few more dollars and piss some people off.

A perfect example of this is Pearl Jam. At the height of their fame they got in a fight with ticketmaster when they found out that ticketmaster was charging upwards of $50 as a "convenience fee" for the premium seats at the pearl jam shows. They ultimately lost the fight, but still had about 8 dates left on the short tour to play. They refunded every dollar to the people who bought the tickets and still played the shows so those shows were free for the ticket holders. The amount of press and fan love the got from that was worth more than they could have ever gotten from a little higher ticket price.

kane · 06-21-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Meaning acts you haven't seen yet,

For me:

Tom Waits (last European concert in Berlin was sold out within 15 minutes)

One of the best shows I have ever seen is Tom Waits in Seattle. The guys is a genius.

I wanted to go see him on his last tour, but he wasn't coming anywhere within 1200 miles of me.

justinsain · 06-21-2010, 05:41 PM

I've been to a lot of concerts over the years but somehow missed a KISS concert.

Wasn't my thing back when they blew up but now I'd like to see them just because I haven't.

The other thing I haven't been to is one of those big DJ shows so I'd like to experience something like Tiesto.

BigRod · 06-21-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

there's a rock festival starrting tomorrow with Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Rammstein, Manowar, and Alice in Chains

I kinda wanted to go, but got lazy because I live like 4-5 hours drive away

I would drive 4-5 hours to see that! Where are they performing?

BlackCrayon · 06-21-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

I've been to a lot of concerts over the years but somehow missed a KISS concert.

Wasn't my thing back when they blew up but now I'd like to see them just because I haven't.

The other thing I haven't been to is one of those big DJ shows so I'd like to experience something like Tiesto.

I saw them in October and it was a good show. No Ace or Peter but still good. Seeing all the fans in the makeup was pretty cool too.

CarlosTheGaucho · 06-21-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I would have to say none. They're too loud, too much pushing and shoving, too crowded, too expensive, too much hassle, and the studio recorded versions always sound better. But I'll happily go to any comedy show where we can sit down and enjoy it like civilized people.

Or any outdoor reggae concert where everyone is spread out on the grass and chillin' out.

I hear that, in fact the last tickets I bought me were seats, cause I didn't want an emo dude jumping all over in front of me

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Too many to list so I will just list ones I will see this summer..

Iron Maiden
Rush
Tom Petty
Alice Cooper
Lynyrd Skynyrd
The Dead Weather
Roger Waters (The Wall tour)

I recently saw Hank III after waiting 8 years to see him. It was the most fun I've had at a concert in years despite the pushing punk kids and barfing bikers.

I saw ACDC last year. We had good seats on the floor but the venue sucked for sound.

I could have seen ZZ Top this past Saturday but had to attend a friends birthday party instead :/

I actually checked out some Hank III and love it since I like a lot of the country / southern / blues rock stuff, thanks for the tip!

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Originally Posted by kane

The only two I can think of right now are Roger Waters The Wall Tour and the Soundgarden reunion tour.

Soundgarden would be a must too - a way best Seattle band for me personally, their music is just too good to be put into the "grunge" category, and you can hear a lot of Sabbath from their rhytm section

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

This is the one thing that really puts me off. I hate people singing even a tiny bit out of tune.

Those that are really good put up a great show with singing in place, but it's not that many bands that would sound live better, usually those that play together forever rock, as for the live factor - for me it's like taking a photo - you got the same thing you saw on the photo but it's never the same

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

not at all, it will be the 2nd show of hers we've attended. she puts on an unbelievable show that's very entertaining and the g/f gets so hot &bothered she takes it out on me after.

I can see your brand new physique getting majorly raped, strongly supporting that!

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

I suppose I like electronic music more. Would throw the same amount of money at going to a good club as people spend on going to a concert

I guess I'm not a "club" person, a bar will do better, like I was in TAO in Vegas and everything loud you felt like being in a posh MTV video, all those girls trying way too much to look good, guidos on parade, I left after a bit

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Originally Posted by czarina

any concerts by
Jon Bon Jovi or Luis Miguel

I keep beating myself up for not going to see the 3 tenors when they were in my area. Too late now that Pavarotti is gone!

The Tenors rock - although I enjoy opera more, it's my last passion and I'm slowly getting into that, visiting the live broadcasts from the NYC Met frequently

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Originally Posted by Antonio

there's a rock festival starrting tomorrow with Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Rammstein, Manowar, and Alice in Chains

I kinda wanted to go, but got lazy because I live like 4-5 hours drive away

The same tour was around here last weekend but I passed, had to pass a couple university exams

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

ACDC. I'll make it happen even if I have to fly to Milwaukee to see em.

Last time they were in Vienna they sold out in 5 minutes

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Originally Posted by GetInSpace

Rush!
Stp!
Roger waters - the wall

I'd consider Rush too, a major rhytm section

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Originally Posted by kane

In many cases they could charge 3 times what they do and still sell out in minutes. It just depends on where they are and what the demand is. Many artists, however, are afraid of being looked down on by their fans and they want all of their fans, no matter how much money they make, to be able to see them live in concert. So they feel it is better for them to keep the ticket prices down a little bit, sell out fast and make everyone happy than to charge two or three times as much, make a few more dollars and piss some people off.

A perfect example of this is Pearl Jam. At the height of their fame they got in a fight with ticketmaster when they found out that ticketmaster was charging upwards of $50 as a "convenience fee" for the premium seats at the pearl jam shows. They ultimately lost the fight, but still had about 8 dates left on the short tour to play. They refunded every dollar to the people who bought the tickets and still played the shows so those shows were free for the ticket holders. The amount of press and fan love the got from that was worth more than they could have ever gotten from a little higher ticket price.

Very much, I don't mind paying more for a smaller venue and a smaller tour, but if I see a 50 concert streak in huge arenas where you can't see shit I'd never pay anything over $ 50 - 60

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Originally Posted by kane

One of the best shows I have ever seen is Tom Waits in Seattle. The guys is a genius.

I wanted to go see him on his last tour, but he wasn't coming anywhere within 1200 miles of me.

Have probably all his records, including a couple live bootlegs, to see him live is quite an accomplishment, last time he was in Berlin the tickets were $300 a piece

d-null · 06-21-2010, 11:58 PM

would love to see Marduk live

Exo-Geoffrey · 06-22-2010, 05:03 AM

I'm going to see Placebo tonight. Should be cool.
There are so many artists i'd like to see live that i won't have enough of 1 life.

DamianJ · 06-22-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

music without mistakes is just robotic..

No, music without mistakes is music being played by good musicians. Mistakes are for crap musicians.

DamianJ · 06-22-2010, 05:49 AM

Breakestra, this Sunday, with Chali2na and DJ Format. In a venue that holds about 750 people. That is a gig to me.

Redrob · 06-22-2010, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

there's a rock festival starrting tomorrow with Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Rammstein, Manowar, and Alice in Chains

I kinda wanted to go, but got lazy because I live like 4-5 hours drive away

AWESOME SHOW!!

Where is this festival?

CaptainHowdy · 06-22-2010, 06:25 AM

The Ronettes... and a Wagner opera.

Forest · 06-22-2010, 06:45 AM

Im seeing Roger Waters tour in Nov. Thinking about seeing RUSH in oct. ive seen them 5 time but this tour they are doing the entire Moving Pictures album which should be cool

other than that i would like to see tom petty.

Supz · 06-22-2010, 06:46 AM

Got tickets for an upcoming Nas & Damian Marley Show, Gonna also probably get some Jay-Z/Eminem Tickets at Yankee Stadium.

The only band that was ever on my must see list was Guns & Roses. I had the chance to see them already.

kektex · 06-22-2010, 07:17 AM

This december I saw AC/DC live in Argentina twice. Incredible show, would love to see them again.

I saw Guns N Roses (actually Axl Rose and friends hehe) this year. Nice show, but it's still not Guns without Slash for me.

I would love to see Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. Roger Waters too.

BlackCrayon · 06-22-2010, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob

AWESOME SHOW!!

Where is this festival?

This looks like it..

http://sonispherefestivals.com/

Lucky fuckers! I have seen most of those bands but not in one weekend!

And fucking Pentagram! I didn't know they still toured. I'd love to see them.

closer · 06-22-2010, 07:25 AM

I'd rather buy the DVD and enjoy it without the shuffling and pushing around @ 1/5th the price

cwd · 06-22-2010, 07:30 AM

U2

I finally was all set to see them this summer...so excited...and then Bono had his surgery and all summer dates were put off till next year...the wait continues...

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-02-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo-Geoffrey

I'm going to see Placebo tonight. Should be cool.
There are so many artists i'd like to see live that i won't have enough of 1 life.

I gotta admit Placebo are the only ultimate glam emo bullshit band that I totally loved when they happened at the break of 90's / 00's that androgyne dude just rocks they're like Bowie in the 70's just much darker but they're the only true "emo" shit out there

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Breakestra, this Sunday, with Chali2na and DJ Format. In a venue that holds about 750 people. That is a gig to me.

I'm sure you guys have a major club scene in Britain, not exactly a big club person but I sure enjoyed a few parties where the DJ's actually played their very own creative mixes, and I like old school Chicago Deep house from the 80's

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

No, music without mistakes is music being played by good musicians. Mistakes are for crap musicians.

Those that are really good can make mistakes sound better than perfection

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Originally Posted by Redrob

AWESOME SHOW!!

Where is this festival?

As BlackCrayon says (could I get your name it's actually silly to use a nick like this

)

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

The Ronettes... and a Wagner opera.

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Originally Posted by Supz

Got tickets for an upcoming Nas & Damian Marley Show, Gonna also probably get some Jay-Z/Eminem Tickets at Yankee Stadium.

The only band that was ever on my must see list was Guns & Roses. I had the chance to see them already.

Never seen them, but I will next time they're around

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Originally Posted by kektex

This december I saw AC/DC live in Argentina twice. Incredible show, would love to see them again.

I saw Guns N Roses (actually Axl Rose and friends hehe) this year. Nice show, but it's still not Guns without Slash for me.

I would love to see Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. Roger Waters too.

I'd love to see Smashing too but in their cca 1996 original line up, they were in Prague recently and someone told me they sucked

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

This looks like it..

http://sonispherefestivals.com/

Lucky fuckers! I have seen most of those bands but not in one weekend!

And fucking Pentagram! I didn't know they still toured. I'd love to see them.

I had to pass, had some college exams to pass, not exactly a super big fan of trash anymore but I'd love to see Slayer

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Originally Posted by cwd

U2

I finally was all set to see them this summer...so excited...and then Bono had his surgery and all summer dates were put off till next year...the wait continues...

Never a huge fan of them, although sure have respect for their, especially 80's work

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justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	I've been to a lot of concerts over the years but somehow missed a KISS concert. Wasn't my thing back when they blew up but now I'd like to see them just because I haven't. The other thing I haven't been to is one of those big DJ shows so I'd like to experience something like Tiesto.

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Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	Got tickets for an upcoming Nas & Damian Marley Show, Gonna also probably get some Jay-Z/Eminem Tickets at Yankee Stadium. The only band that was ever on my must see list was Guns & Roses. I had the chance to see them already.

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kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	This december I saw AC/DC live in Argentina twice. Incredible show, would love to see them again. I saw Guns N Roses (actually Axl Rose and friends hehe) this year. Nice show, but it's still not Guns without Slash for me. I would love to see Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. Roger Waters too.

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