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People still arguing LOL...

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If only there was something they could smoke and no longer give a shit...

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marijuana very good for you

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I forgot about this thread, but looking at the last page, I see it went in the direction I predicted it would go.

It is super healthy for you guys. Keep getting high everyday, you will live forever and be happy.

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Those who like pot will always like pot;
People who have a problem with it will always have a problem with it.
Neither side will ever budge.

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Q: Does marijuana pose health risks to users?

Marijuana is an addictive drug1 with significant health consequences to its users and others. Many harmful short-term and long-term problems have been documented with its use:

The short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety2.

In recent years there has been a dramatic increase in the number of emergency room mentions of marijuana use. From 1993-2000, the number of emergency room marijuana mentions more than tripled.

There are also many long-term health consequences of marijuana use. According to the National Institutes of Health, studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

Marijuana contains more than 400 chemicals, including most of the harmful substances found in tobacco smoke. Smoking one marijuana cigarette deposits about four times more tar into the lungs than a filtered tobacco cigarette.

Harvard University researchers report that the risk of a heart attack is five times higher than usual in the hour after smoking marijuana.3

Smoking marijuana also weakens the immune system4 and raises the risk of lung infections.5 A Columbia University study found that a control group smoking a single marijuana cigarette every other day for a year had a white-blood-cell count that was 39 percent lower than normal, thus damaging the immune system and making the user far more susceptible to infection and sickness.6

Users can become dependent on marijuana to the point they must seek treatment to stop abusing it. In 1999, more than 200,000 Americans entered substance abuse treatment primarily for marijuana abuse and dependence.

More teens are in treatment for marijuana use than for any other drug or for alcohol. Adolescent admissions to substance abuse facilities for marijuana grew from 43 percent of all adolescent admissions in 1994 to 60 percent in 1999.

Marijuana is much stronger now than it was decades ago. According to data from the Potency Monitoring Project at the University of Mississippi, the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content of commercial-grade marijuana rose from an average of 3.71 percent in 1985 to an average of 5.57 percent in 1998. The average THC content of U.S. produced sinsemilla increased from 3.2 percent in 1977 to 12.8 percent in 1997.7
Q. Does marijuana have any medical value?

Any determination of a drug's valid medical use must be based on the best available science undertaken by medical professionals. The Institute of Medicine conducted a comprehensive study in 1999 to assess the potential health benefits of marijuana and its constituent cannabinoids. The study concluded that smoking marijuana is not recommended for the treatment of any disease condition. In addition, there are more effective medications currently available. For those reasons, the Institute of Medicine concluded that there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication.8

Advocates have promoted the use of marijuana to treat medical conditions such as glaucoma. However, this is a good example of more effective medicines already available. According to the Institute of Medicine, there are six classes of drugs and multiple surgical techniques that are available to treat glaucoma that effectively slow the progression of this disease by reducing high intraocular pressure.

In other studies, smoked marijuana has been shown to cause a variety of health problems, including cancer, respiratory problems, increased heart rate, loss of motor skills, and increased heart rate. Furthermore, marijuana can affect the immune system by impairing the ability of T-cells to fight off infections, demonstrating that marijuana can do more harm than good in people with already compromised immune systems.9

In addition, in a recent study by the Mayo Clinic, THC was shown to be less effective than standard treatments in helping cancer patients regain lost appetites.10

The DEA supports research into the safety and efficacy of THC (the major psychoactive component of marijuana), and such studies are ongoing, supported by grants from the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

As a result of such research, a synthetic THC drug, Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985. The Food and Drug Administration has determined that Marinol is safe, effective, and has therapeutic benefits for use as a treatment for nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy, and as a treatment of weight loss in patients with AIDS. However, it does not produce the harmful health effects associated with smoking marijuana.

Furthermore, the DEA recently approved the University of California San Diego to undertake rigorous scientific studies to assess the safety and efficacy of cannabis compounds for treating certain debilitating medical conditions.

It's also important to realize that the campaign to allow marijuana to be used as medicine is a tactical maneuver in an overall strategy to completely legalize all drugs. Pro-legalization groups have transformed the debate from decriminalizing drug use to one of compassion and care for people with serious diseases. The New York Times interviewed Ethan Nadelman, Director of the Lindesmith Center, in January 2000. Responding to criticism from former Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey that the medical marijuana issue is a stalking-horse for drug legalization, Mr. Nadelman did not contradict General McCaffrey. "Will it help lead toward marijuana legaization?" Mr. Nadelman said: "I hope so."
Q. Does marijuana harm anyone besides the individual who smokes it?

Consider the public safety of others when confronted with intoxicated drug users:

Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, the ability to concentrate, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and signs on the road.11

In a 1990 report, the National Transportation Safety Board studied 182 fatal truck accidents. It found that just as many of the accidents were caused by drivers using marijuana as were caused by alcohol -- 12.5 percent in each case.

Consider also that drug use, including marijuana, contributes to crime. A large percentage of those arrested for crimes test positive for marijuana. Nationwide, 40 percent of adult males tested positive for marijuana at the time of their arrest.
Q. Is marijuana a gateway drug?

Yes. Among marijuana's most harmful consequences is its role in leading to the use of other illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine. Long-term studies of students who use drugs show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. While not all people who use marijuana go on to use other drugs, using marijuana sometimes lowers inhibitions about drug use and exposes users to a culture that encourages use of other drugs.

The risk of using cocaine has been estimated to be more than 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.12
In Summary:

Marijuana is a dangerous, addictive drug that poses significant health threats to users.

Marijuana has no medical value that can't be met more effectively by legal drugs.

Marijuana users are far more likely to use other drugs like cocaine and heroin than non-marijuana users.

Drug legalizers use "medical marijuana" as red herring in effort to advocate broader legalization of drug use.
1Herbert Kleber, Mitchell Rosenthal, "Drug Myths from Abroad: Leniency is Dangerous, not Compassionate" Foreign Affairs Magazine, September/October 1998. Drug Watch International "NIDA Director cites Studies that Marijuana is Addictive." "Research Finds Marijuana is Addictive," Washington Times, July 24, 1995.
2National Institue of Drug Abuse, Journal of the American Medical Association, Journal of Clinical Phamacology, International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, Pharmacology Review.
3"Marijuana and Heart Attacks" Washington Post, March 3, 2000
4I. B. Adams and BR Martin, "Cannabis: Pharmacology and Toxicology in Animals and Humans" Addiction 91: 1585-1614. 1996.
5National Institute of Drug Abuse, "Smoking Any Substance Raises Risk of Lung Infections" NIDA Notes, Volume 12, Number 1, January/February 1997.
6Dr. James Dobson, "Marijuana Can Cause Great Harm" Washington Times, February 23, 1999.
72000 National Drug Control Strategy Annual Report, page 13.
8"Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Institute of Medicine, 1999.
9See footnotes in response to question 4 regarding marijuana's short and long term health effects.
10"Marijuana Appetite Boost Lacking in Cancer Study" The New York Times, May 13, 2001.
11Marijuana: Facts Parents Need to Know, National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health.
12Marijuana: Facts Parents Need to Know, National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health.

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cam_girls

YOU ARE FRICKING BRAINWASHED DUDE!

VERY LOW danger, addiction, and health threat.
MANY REAL medical uses as attributed by millions.
Gateway theory is mainly due to being illegal so you interact with drug dealers, and most hard drug users say alcohol got them started.

We know it's not perfect, neither is caffeine.

YOU ARE A SUCKER FOR BULLSHIT. Have you even tried it? It's very pleasant.

Agent 488

you prob lost your nut because you smoked you are not helping the pro-weed case here.

cam_girls

fuck you, I can't help it if you're too stupid to understand something new not on your tv.

cam_girls

You're a hypocrite anyway, if you were pro pot you wouldn't point anything out about me. YOU are causing the harm.

Agent 488

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Look who's out to get me!

X37375787

After 6 years of abstinence I tried to smoke weed again last week on my roof with a friend. Needless to say, I got super high and was freaking out. Everything seemed on time delay, I had a hard time not completely flipping out about the effect.

Pass, not for me. But I am not going to judge anyone who wants to get high off their ass. If it floats your boat, knock yourself out.

CarlosTheGaucho

The problem with pretty much every chronic pot smoker is that they just can't stay under the radar.

Like you can read this troll and the "reactions" and basically re-read it again and wonder - are some of those "reactions" really written by actual sane adults?

It also takes zero time to receive personal insults and all other forms of pot rage, It's like if you want to steal crack from a crackhead.

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pot rage?

what's next, people talking about pot in a pot thread?

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Trolls and Tools in this thread count:

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ASW

hell yea i 110% agree with you wtf is this guy talking about he must have been homeschool an not interduced to the reall world cuz i think 95% of america smoke's pot lol bill clinton was the flippin president an he even said he smoked pot he said he didnt inhal but we all know thats a lie lol this guy need to get a life how bout talk about why theres no fucking job's or why the crime rate is so high for real man get a flippin life

ASW

hell yea i 110% agree with you wtf is this guy talking about he must have been homeschool an not interduced to the reall world cuz i think 95% of america smoke's pot lol bill clinton was the flippin president an he even said he smoked pot he said he didnt inhal but we all know thats a lie lol this guy need to get a life how bout talk about why theres no fucking job's or why the crime rate is so high for real man get a flippin life

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This is what Marijuana will do to your brain. Marijuana is a poison.

nico-t

yes it is, friend of mine was addicted to weed.

Amputate Your Head

Your friend was psychologically addicted then because he had a weak mind. Marijuana is not physically addictive.

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proof the miracle weed makes you smarter.

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This pic turns me on

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BFT3K

Pot is not even on the list...

http://4mind4life.com/blog/2008/02/2...l-brain-cells/

CarlosTheGaucho

Just get stoned as much as you can and everything will be all right

It's the only guaranteed way to become an "übermensch" I bet Nietsche would get even more persuasive if there was the miracle herb in place.

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one time a girl from work for the dole was supposed
to come around with a stick around noon but she
arrived about 4pm. Mum was due home at 5:30 so
I thought I'd straighten out in time and rolled a joint.
I took one puff and thought fuck she'll tell easy so
I put it out and made a coffee. I was zoning in and out
of feeling hit and drank the coffee and lied down and
put the radio on loud. Travis 'Sing' came on and I
swear it was the greatest tune of all time. Those banjo
licks were sweet and after the song was over I thought
how awesome I was. I mellowed out in time before mum
came home and since then I only need to smoke about
the size of a match head and the tiny stick lasted for
weeks.

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CarlosTheGaucho

Yeah there's more truth than ever on the internet these days, even more truth than in the mirror

I'm always amazed how generally smart people get extremely ridiculous and absurd once they're trying to justify their weed habit

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It can be used to power cars, make clothing, paper, medical, grown pretty much anywhere and more. Talk about going "green" literally. But those "oppressors" that you speak of can't control everyone if they can grow something in their back yard which does all those things.

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marijuana has so many uses, clothes, rope, gasoline, plastics, fertilizer, sundials, a space shuttle, the statue of liberty, but the government banned it because of a conspiracy by ... no you dumb hippy marijuana is good to smoke and that's about it! no one is going to pay $5000 for a tub of pongee margarine.

DamianJ

Marijuana clearly has a negative effect on ones ability to stop feeding trolls.

This thread is worse than the football/handegg or Windows/Mac threads.

Guys, looksie here, if one person likes pot/god/osx/football you will NEVER persuade them they are wrong and you are right.

So, go do a blog post, submit a gall, work on a new tour, do SOMETHING other than argue pointlessly :D

CarlosTheGaucho

We have a winner, I'll stop now and let the pot people live the "better" life

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Amputate Your Head

It's funny to me how people are always trying to convince other people that, the path they are on will lead them to ruin. "Smoke weed you'll end up living in a cardboard box son." You said something before about people "preaching the gospel of pot" or something.... but I find it is usually the other way around. Zealots trying to save the world from themselves. Even with this short one-line post you have here. You're inferring that the pot smokers will have a damaged life, or less-than-as-good-a-life-as-your-own if they continue. It's subtle, but it's there. People will say they don't care if other people smoke weed or not, but then continue with the patronizing you're-less-of-a-human-than-I talk.

If no one cares if others smoke or not, why is it still illegal? And why hasn't the crusade switched to something else people are doing daily that's "bad" for them? It's because it has nothing to do with ganja being "bad" for someone or not. If that were the case, you'd be harping on people for fast food and soft drinks and cigarette smoking and driving unsafe and drinking too much and everything else under the sun. So it's not "caring" about the well-being of another that drives these attitudes, as it is brow-beaten propaganda you've been fed and taught to hate this specific plant no matter what.

Seriously... do you honestly care what some person on the other side of the country might be smoking right at this minute? Of course not. But you still hate and fear that plant, don't you? The training is complete in some people.

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CarlosTheGaucho

I don't hate pot, drugs in general or anything else, although I admit I might like to provoke time from time.

So I have my little beef with potheads and their never ending knowledge of how weed makes them supersonic and how great it is to smoke weed - it's basically just another form of human idiocy - to identify yourself with a miracle herb and live in denial for as long as possible.

And if I'd be glad if my kids didn't smoke weed if I ever had any?

Yes I would, unfortunately it's hardly gonna happen, cause it's just another dumbing drug that's too easy to get and too easy to abuse, mission accomplished, freedom is here - there will soon be an asshole offering free weed samples at every corner.

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BFT3K

Why don't you spend your time hating on a drug that is REALLY bad for you, like aspertame...

http://www.sweetpoison.com/

At least then you would be doing something productive.

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Amputate Your Head

Thing is, I would feel the same way I do now about any plant a government criminalized. (Except maybe cilantro.... I hate that stuff.) If our government outlawed garlic, I'd be just as incredulous. It's dumb for a governing body to point a finger to the public and say, "You can't have this thing growing out of the ground because we said so. Not because we want to keep it for ourselves... but just because we decided you shouldn't have it. Don't question, just heed."

With propaganda like this for a few decades... it's no wonder attitudes still reflect unwarranted fear and paranoia about it:

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Ok then..............

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BFT3K

I like that this guy got AIDS from "sharing used marijuana"

CarlosTheGaucho

I've always been a fan of propaganda, I've lived through communism turning into pseudocapitalism, I've even read the diaries of Joseph Goebbels so believe me I have an idea what propaganda means.

And I don't even live in US and here NO ONE cares about weed, you don't hear about it in media, they just don't care at all it's not important at all, weed is the lowest priority they're busy stealing money and don't care about harassment of the public citizen that much, although it's illegal, it's not criminalized and the use is massive.

The only reason why I take this stand is an empiric experience - I've seen far too many totally disfunctional potheads in my life to eat the "miracle herb" bullshit, people that used to be a more or less functional part of the society and now you just can't hold a conversation with them anymore cause it gets embarrassing.

Pro-weed propaganda will hardly help my case.

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Amputate Your Head

The exact same thing could be said for people on alcohol, all over the world. But that doesn't make all people that drink non-functional or impossible to have a conversation with. Maybe while they are actively drunk it does, (slurring speech, etc), but you wouldn't lump all drinkers into one group, why with marijuana?

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I honestly can't decide if those are real or made up

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The Homeland Security one and the one with the dude in the suit are made up. The rest are real.

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CarlosTheGaucho

For sure, I never disputed that

95 pct. of marijuana use is say recreational

5 pct. is say pathological (although I'd say it's more, smoking that crap daily is not exactly a non habit)

(let's consider all as adults)

As I mentioned before, that 5 pct. are those that shout the loudest, that are everywhere on the internet, in pubs I don't know where, and those that I have a little problem with

You can't see pathological drunks or serious coke abusers running around with huge signs telling "GET DRUNK" or "GET HIGH" yet it's a daily part of reality that you get to see the weed crusaders preaching the new weed order and the art of getting high

While I seriously don't see that much of a use in advocating a use of a drug, don't even see anything very cool about it either, like if you're 18 you can feel like a big boy that you drank a beer and tell your friends about it, but seriously, 30 + year old guys sharing their "mindblowing" experiences with weed on a daily basis?

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Amputate Your Head

Well, but so what? I'm (and everyone else) bombarded with advertising on a daily basis about all kinds of shit. I've got 60 TV channels dedicated solely to pushing vitamins and weight loss and you name it, every single day. Most of the crap I'm not interested in, and so I tune it out. I don't push to have it all criminalized. Why should I have to listen to Richard Simmons preach about how dancing to the oldies has saved his life and so many others?

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