Well, I'd have to disagree.. Turn it off? maybe..

Imagine the stink that would come up if the Hosting would go down for even 1 day (not even talking 4 months here)

Why is the client allowed to ignore his part of the contract and the hosting company isn't?

If you can't afford to pay for hosting, get the fuck out of this business and apply to scrub toilets for your local FastFood joint. Don't dick people around.

Are we still trying to get done here?

my main hosts tos says they suspend at 3 wipe at 5 days late. for dedicated anyway.

bunch of luck dude!

Yep , doesnt surprise me.

I had never missed a past payment with "The Planet" (so not a small host) but because of a non payment ( I think it was 4-5 days) ...due to the fact I was on holiday.... my dedicated server was wiped clean and finished.....no back ups nothing.

Was it my own fault ....although I think it sucked ..yes it was. :( Looking back I could have prepaid some up front or made sure it didnt happen.

do business with www.oxeo.com they won't do a thing without first contacting you.

your "quick draw" hosting stories scare me.

well...polemic hoe

i always liked jewcat but he couldn't of been doing too well if hes 3 or 4 months behind on hosting.

good for you

Is he back yet?

What's up fix your shit and continue or it'll get even more boring over here

"doing well" can be very relative and it's hard to say what bills and obligations any given person has.

To clear anything up, here's the situation as of early this year. I was earning well and spending money like a mad fool late in 09 and coming into 2010. When that whole credit card fiasco hammered mainstream rebill offers I lost two of the best converting offers I had. I was getting $55/lead with payouts on demand from the network I was promoting through. Basically i got an instant payout whenever I wanted it, and I was growing fast. I was pouring money into longterm SEO projects and custom scripts to automate the building process, that wound up going nowhere. As soon as my campaigns went to hell I stopped and began spending foolishly on new PPC campaigns and burnt off a lot of money fast failing to find anything that stuck again. When offers started coming back, payouts had been significantly decreased, and finding a new offer that even converted on par was hard. That combo made making monies again difficult.

Where I was bringing in $500 daily in profit through November I was up to almost $1k/day by Christmas, almost overnight I found myself putting out hundreds a day with a negative return. I essentially went from the high point in my online career looking like the sky was the limit, to square one. You also gotta figure in my "nigga rich" spending on pointless new shit. New snowboard gear, new computer, buying rounds like crazy. Expensive Christmas gifts for the family and other dumbshit.

At this point I started experimenting with mainstream niche affiliate stores, which were doing well for small startups, but take time to build, and are slow going building up those earnings again when you're collecting 4-15% commissions. The intention was to continue rolling with this type of project. Mainstream niche stores coming into now were my primary earner. Most of which were built up SINCE the last available backup. Which leaves most of my promising projects toast.

My truck caked out on me and left me with a massive bill. Living in a resort town I continued partying spending more money that I probably shouldn't have. Expenses were racking up, and recovering my old earnings back to a point where they were enough to live off still was cutting it close. hence why I was quick to accept the offe4r of good paying job when it was offered to me again about a month back.

First priority was getting my truck running and insured again. I sent over an initial payment to cover what I could after getting my truck running again on my first paycheck, which I also hd to pay rent, insurance and my other bills out of. Getting back to work cost me a fair share to start with. new tools, new work gear, yadda yadda. I had hoped that the partial payment would buy me some til the next payday to cover my remaining debt. I guess it didn't. My fault.

The niche affiliate stores were showing promise, but take time to build up. My s4rver was down, a few people here new the situation and were waiting for things to come back up. I would have continued building them over the summer, and with things on course again, by fall I should have had a reasonable base built back up. With the start I had gone though, I just don't feel like starting over again. So be it. I'm working with a good company, collecting good paychecks on a regular schedule again, and to be honest it's kind of nice. It's not a bad life.

Come fall I'll take my layoff, and join what is formally referred to as the "EI Ski Team". I started in this whole business with the only intention being a way to pay for my snowboard seasons while I drank, got high, and enjoyed the slopes every day. God bless communism and it's support programs. So y, I'm essentially better off with no online income, which would hinder my employment insurance payouts, lol. So this winter I'll be snowboarding on the taxpayer's dime. Fuck it. This was never a career for me, just another job. All I've done is found a new one. Hell, it's the "Albertan Dream". Make big money for a few months, get layoff, then cruise by on EI payouts for the rest of the year.

I'll still be around in the future once in a while. But I'm an official surfer now. :1orglaugh

That, my friends, is a typical sad story and a Life Lesson for those still in the Adult Business.

Good luck man, seriously, and see you 'round the towns!

You had no backup? :helpme

I wouldn't give up If I was you. I think you have learned something and you can be more successful in the future.

Remember kids, always do backups, never put all eggs into one basket, never give up, if you feel hammered work even harder. Live to win.

There is an old backup. I'll see what comes out of it. There are a couple projects that I started right around then that may be salvageable. More than likely I'll just sell off whatever is remaining. The promising earners I had together were all newer niche stores built since the last backup.

I might change my mind in a while and see where I can continue going with that game plan. but t the moment I'm looking at the very least taking an extended break from things. A lot of it depends what I see come out of these old backups. If there's anything decent leftover I'll probably just move it to a cheap virtual server and let it live itself out and collect whatever change it brings in.

Hit me up Jewcat, I have something for you. :thumbsup

hunnert quittins...

So do you want to put sites on my server or no?

You don't use BACKUPS in your dedicated SERVER?

.

..............good luck!

I'm not suggesting 4 months wasn't excessive, just suggesting there may have been a different and possbily more mutually benificial way to handle it. I think the servers should have been taken offline being so behind, just suggesting maybe having a larger gap between taking them off line and erasing the data. Just my opinion reading over what was written, not blindly defending JewCat and not hating on the hosting company whatsoever, just making a suggestion. It wasn't 4 months of radio silence, Jewcat was making efforts to catch up. Wiping the servers when you already have half the past due amount deposited and pending seems a little hardcore. That's all.

This is how I see it. I have tons of data stored all over the place that come together in a nice, neat place called my server.

If my host ever wiped my shit out without telling me I would not sit down, nor accept that it was my fault. Fucking A, times are tough, sometimes people steal all your money, sometimes your site doesn't do well, sometimes... well whatever...

If a host took down my site, fine. If a host deleted all my shit there would be fuckin' hell to pay. And I'm not talking about obscene phone calls...

fuck this shit!

ALWAYS have *local* backups not just remote backups with the same hosting/server company as I have seen many suggesting. If your sites change often and are not static there is little excuse not to have at least one local or otherwise off-site backup that is no more than a month old. You never know what can happen with your host or what they will do. Mistakes can be made as well as misunderstandings. If you don't have a local or offsite backup which is no more than a month old, start working on it right now or first thing in the morning. Better yet try to automate it completely. For example You can have your server admin set up some scripts to do the job on the remote end and place the backups in a special directory and then set something up on your local machine to download the backups from the server on a regular basis to a special hard drive. If you use Linux at home you might even set up sshfs ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSHFS ) to directly (by mounting a local HDD on the remote server) place the backups in a local subdirectory for you. Note possible security implications of doing this however.

Anyway, Good luck Angry Jew Cat.

a guy with 80000K/year is late 4 months on HOSTING payment? i find no excuse on this shit

They said they had everything backed up and would give it to you when you paid up. You said you just paid up. So what is the problem, they can put everything back how it was ?

When they back it up, it doesn't really matter if they delete it off the server. They should be able to put it right back then once he is paid. If they deleted his stuff and they didn't make a copy of it then yeah, that would be harsh. But they said they backed it all up, so really if they put it back then it is irrelevant.

If you (or anyone else reading that may fall into the same trap) can learn anything from this, it is....

don't spend money as fast as you can make it. It is everyone's natural tendency to spend more as they make more. It is very damaging for several reasons.

1. Most people that start making "mad money" all of a sudden, it rarely lasts long. Easy come, easy go.. while maybe not the best expression because you were working hard, it does play out pretty much that way.

2. When people start making more money they dig themselves into a hole. They go buy that nice car but instead of paying cash for it, they put a little money down and finance the rest. SO what it has a $750 a month note, hell they making that now in 1 day. Then when the money runs dry they can't afford $750 a month so they lose the car, lose the little money they put into it, and destroy their credit and now have no vehicle ( <- worse then they started). You can substitute house for car in the same scenario. People also run up lots of credit card debt as they make more money because they think " I will pay it off next month" etc... Which never happens and then when the monthly payments get high right about the same time their income tanks.

3. People neglect their business and spend the money on bullshit. Like in your case you put no money aside for your future business expenses. You should have built up a reserve of at least 12 months for hosting, etc... to cover your business expenses before you started blowing money on buying expensive christmas presents. You need to have money for bad stretches to get you through them to the next good run. When you blow all of your money on bullshit and then you hit a bad stretch you wind up not being able to pay for hosting and you got out of business.

4. People make bad investments when money is flowing in. (this one I have been victim of). When you making 30K a week you get a lot more risky with your money, so what if I blow 30K on a new project, that is just one weeks check. Make stupid mistakes and lose money left and right on bad projects, when you start making a lot less you will have wished you were more safe with your business decisions. It is good to diversify and reinvest into your business, but people get so risky and carefree they almost always blow it. You need to make decisions like that is the last bit of money you have to your name, not that it was just 1 week's check if it doesn't work oh well I will make more.


if nothing else learn from your mistakes.

Good luck to you.

Good luck AJC!

Hey Angry Jew Cat, if you are really leaving the business and you have no use for your backups, you can send them my way ;) I have some dormant domains that could use some content :winkwink:

One of your best posts ever Will. Excellent points, and I can attest to all that you wrote. I have made ALL of the above mistakes with the first flush of success with Mister Peabody World, tho the $ was more like $300 a day rather than $30,000. LOL Still, same principles apply.

Now I know better and, I think/hope/pray, just in time.

I just started the job again last month after working online exclusive for quite a while. Obviously I have no problem paying for things now. As soon as i collected my first check back, I fixed my truck, paid my insurance, paid rent, nd sent in a partial payment for my the debt on my hosting. Covered the rest owing on my second check. Leading up to this times were getting tough. Thus why I didn't waste any time jumping at the job again when it was offered to me. They called me in the morning. I packed by bags and was out the door the next day. It's a good job, no doubt about it, sort of whyI'm not giving too much of a shit that things are gone. I can work right through the year and make a healthy $80k/year, or I can take an optional winter layoff and collect employment insurance. I'll be soaking up the benefits of socialism and snowboarding on EI. Woo hoo.

Things are paid up, waiting to see what comes of the backups still. They are a little old and most of my newer work is probably turfed. Still waiting to see.

Looking back on it now, the biggest mistake I made was believing that it wouldn't end, or that I could recover quickly from things going down. Wasn't the case. Shit pretty much came to a screaming halt the moment I lost my one specific offer at $55/lead. That offer was hot hot hot.

In reality I got lucky and hit the right spot at the right time, and ade a good run of it for a couple months. Truthfully I was probably about 2 months late for the really sweet spot, but I did get a taste of what it's like.

That sucks. Good luck with your new job. I hope that everything works out for you.

now you can spend ALL DAY at /b/ ! you got the life pimp !



keep on truckin playa :thumbsup

Don't most dedicated server plans ask you for a credit card to auto-bill monthly instead of making the customer pay monthly bills separately each month via a web based form or snail mail?

Why would it be a old backup? The host probably took an image of the drive before the cleaned it off.