Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17250706)

huh i love the jewcat but try and let any bill go that late ... a month late and you're sent to a collection agency.

phatservers is going way beyond what any company would do here ...

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 17254462)

I'm not suggesting 4 months wasn't excessive, just suggesting there may have been a different and possbily more mutually benificial way to handle it. I think the servers should have been taken offline being so behind, just suggesting maybe having a larger gap between taking them off line and erasing the data. Just my opinion reading over what was written, not blindly defending JewCat and not hating on the hosting company whatsoever, just making a suggestion. It wasn't 4 months of radio silence, Jewcat was making efforts to catch up. Wiping the servers when you already have half the past due amount deposited and pending seems a little hardcore. That's all.

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17249592)

The backups are from February, which will save some of my older stuff, and I'm not sure how much of it yet. There's only a handful of projects I really want to see saved here, and most of the heavy work went into them starting January/February, so I dunno what will be recovered. I never chose to pay extra for backups. Again, my own fault.

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 17254462)

I'm not suggesting 4 months wasn't excessive, just suggesting there may have been a different and possbily more mutually benificial way to handle it. I think the servers should have been taken offline being so behind, just suggesting maybe having a larger gap between taking them off line and erasing the data. Just my opinion reading over what was written, not blindly defending JewCat and not hating on the hosting company whatsoever, just making a suggestion. It wasn't 4 months of radio silence, Jewcat was making efforts to catch up. Wiping the servers when you already have half the past due amount deposited and pending seems a little hardcore. That's all.

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17252066)

To clear anything up, here's the situation as of early this year. I was earning well and spending money like a mad fool late in 09 and coming into 2010. When that whole credit card fiasco hammered mainstream rebill offers I lost two of the best converting offers I had. I was getting $55/lead with payouts on demand from the network I was promoting through. Basically i got an instant payout whenever I wanted it, and I was growing fast. I was pouring money into longterm SEO projects and custom scripts to automate the building process, that wound up going nowhere. As soon as my campaigns went to hell I stopped and began spending foolishly on new PPC campaigns and burnt off a lot of money fast failing to find anything that stuck again. When offers started coming back, payouts had been significantly decreased, and finding a new offer that even converted on par was hard. That combo made making monies again difficult.

Where I was bringing in $500 daily in profit through November I was up to almost $1k/day by Christmas, almost overnight I found myself putting out hundreds a day with a negative return. I essentially went from the high point in my online career looking like the sky was the limit, to square one. You also gotta figure in my "nigga rich" spending on pointless new shit. New snowboard gear, new computer, buying rounds like crazy. Expensive Christmas gifts for the family and other dumbshit.

At this point I started experimenting with mainstream niche affiliate stores, which were doing well for small startups, but take time to build, and are slow going building up those earnings again when you're collecting 4-15% commissions. The intention was to continue rolling with this type of project. Mainstream niche stores coming into now were my primary earner. Most of which were built up SINCE the last available backup. Which leaves most of my promising projects toast.

My truck caked out on me and left me with a massive bill. Living in a resort town I continued partying spending more money that I probably shouldn't have. Expenses were racking up, and recovering my old earnings back to a point where they were enough to live off still was cutting it close. hence why I was quick to accept the offe4r of good paying job when it was offered to me again about a month back.

First priority was getting my truck running and insured again. I sent over an initial payment to cover what I could after getting my truck running again on my first paycheck, which I also hd to pay rent, insurance and my other bills out of. Getting back to work cost me a fair share to start with. new tools, new work gear, yadda yadda. I had hoped that the partial payment would buy me some til the next payday to cover my remaining debt. I guess it didn't. My fault.

The niche affiliate stores were showing promise, but take time to build up. My s4rver was down, a few people here new the situation and were waiting for things to come back up. I would have continued building them over the summer, and with things on course again, by fall I should have had a reasonable base built back up. With the start I had gone though, I just don't feel like starting over again. So be it. I'm working with a good company, collecting good paychecks on a regular schedule again, and to be honest it's kind of nice. It's not a bad life.

Come fall I'll take my layoff, and join what is formally referred to as the "EI Ski Team". I started in this whole business with the only intention being a way to pay for my snowboard seasons while I drank, got high, and enjoyed the slopes every day. God bless communism and it's support programs. So y, I'm essentially better off with no online income, which would hinder my employment insurance payouts, lol. So this winter I'll be snowboarding on the taxpayer's dime. Fuck it. This was never a career for me, just another job. All I've done is found a new one. Hell, it's the "Albertan Dream". Make big money for a few months, get layoff, then cruise by on EI payouts for the rest of the year.

I'll still be around in the future once in a while. But I'm an official surfer now. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17254626)

If you (or anyone else reading that may fall into the same trap) can learn anything from this, it is....

don't spend money as fast as you can make it. It is everyone's natural tendency to spend more as they make more. It is very damaging for several reasons.

1. Most people that start making "mad money" all of a sudden, it rarely lasts long. Easy come, easy go.. while maybe not the best expression because you were working hard, it does play out pretty much that way.

2. When people start making more money they dig themselves into a hole. They go buy that nice car but instead of paying cash for it, they put a little money down and finance the rest. SO what it has a $750 a month note, hell they making that now in 1 day. Then when the money runs dry they can't afford $750 a month so they lose the car, lose the little money they put into it, and destroy their credit and now have no vehicle ( <- worse then they started). You can substitute house for car in the same scenario. People also run up lots of credit card debt as they make more money because they think " I will pay it off next month" etc... Which never happens and then when the monthly payments get high right about the same time their income tanks.

3. People neglect their business and spend the money on bullshit. Like in your case you put no money aside for your future business expenses. You should have built up a reserve of at least 12 months for hosting, etc... to cover your business expenses before you started blowing money on buying expensive christmas presents. You need to have money for bad stretches to get you through them to the next good run. When you blow all of your money on bullshit and then you hit a bad stretch you wind up not being able to pay for hosting and you got out of business.

4. People make bad investments when money is flowing in. (this one I have been victim of). When you making 30K a week you get a lot more risky with your money, so what if I blow 30K on a new project, that is just one weeks check. Make stupid mistakes and lose money left and right on bad projects, when you start making a lot less you will have wished you were more safe with your business decisions. It is good to diversify and reinvest into your business, but people get so risky and carefree they almost always blow it. You need to make decisions like that is the last bit of money you have to your name, not that it was just 1 week's check if it doesn't work oh well I will make more.


if nothing else learn from your mistakes.

Originally Posted by nickutis (Post 17254573)

a guy with 80000K/year is late 4 months on HOSTING payment? i find no excuse on this shit

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17254592)

When they back it up, it doesn't really matter if they delete it off the server. They should be able to put it right back then once he is paid. If they deleted his stuff and they didn't make a copy of it then yeah, that would be harsh. But they said they backed it all up, so really if they put it back then it is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17254626)

If you (or anyone else reading that may fall into the same trap) can learn anything from this, it is....

don't spend money as fast as you can make it. It is everyone's natural tendency to spend more as they make more. It is very damaging for several reasons.

1. Most people that start making "mad money" all of a sudden, it rarely lasts long. Easy come, easy go.. while maybe not the best expression because you were working hard, it does play out pretty much that way.

2. When people start making more money they dig themselves into a hole. They go buy that nice car but instead of paying cash for it, they put a little money down and finance the rest. SO what it has a $750 a month note, hell they making that now in 1 day. Then when the money runs dry they can't afford $750 a month so they lose the car, lose the little money they put into it, and destroy their credit and now have no vehicle ( <- worse then they started). You can substitute house for car in the same scenario. People also run up lots of credit card debt as they make more money because they think " I will pay it off next month" etc... Which never happens and then when the monthly payments get high right about the same time their income tanks.

3. People neglect their business and spend the money on bullshit. Like in your case you put no money aside for your future business expenses. You should have built up a reserve of at least 12 months for hosting, etc... to cover your business expenses before you started blowing money on buying expensive christmas presents. You need to have money for bad stretches to get you through them to the next good run. When you blow all of your money on bullshit and then you hit a bad stretch you wind up not being able to pay for hosting and you got out of business.

4. People make bad investments when money is flowing in. (this one I have been victim of). When you making 30K a week you get a lot more risky with your money, so what if I blow 30K on a new project, that is just one weeks check. Make stupid mistakes and lose money left and right on bad projects, when you start making a lot less you will have wished you were more safe with your business decisions. It is good to diversify and reinvest into your business, but people get so risky and carefree they almost always blow it. You need to make decisions like that is the last bit of money you have to your name, not that it was just 1 week's check if it doesn't work oh well I will make more.


if nothing else learn from your mistakes.

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17252141)

There is an old backup. I'll see what comes out of it. There are a couple projects that I started right around then that may be salvageable. More than likely I'll just sell off whatever is remaining. The promising earners I had together were all newer niche stores built since the last backup.

I might change my mind in a while and see where I can continue going with that game plan. but t the moment I'm looking at the very least taking an extended break from things. A lot of it depends what I see come out of these old backups. If there's anything decent leftover I'll probably just move it to a cheap virtual server and let it live itself out and collect whatever change it brings in.

Originally Posted by Alky (Post 17258872)

Why would it be a old backup? The host probably took an image of the drive before the cleaned it off.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17254626)

If you (or anyone else reading that may fall into the same trap) can learn anything from this, it is....

don't spend money as fast as you can make it. It is everyone's natural tendency to spend more as they make more. It is very damaging for several reasons.

1. Most people that start making "mad money" all of a sudden, it rarely lasts long. Easy come, easy go.. while maybe not the best expression because you were working hard, it does play out pretty much that way.

2. When people start making more money they dig themselves into a hole. They go buy that nice car but instead of paying cash for it, they put a little money down and finance the rest. SO what it has a $750 a month note, hell they making that now in 1 day. Then when the money runs dry they can't afford $750 a month so they lose the car, lose the little money they put into it, and destroy their credit and now have no vehicle ( <- worse then they started). You can substitute house for car in the same scenario. People also run up lots of credit card debt as they make more money because they think " I will pay it off next month" etc... Which never happens and then when the monthly payments get high right about the same time their income tanks.

3. People neglect their business and spend the money on bullshit. Like in your case you put no money aside for your future business expenses. You should have built up a reserve of at least 12 months for hosting, etc... to cover your business expenses before you started blowing money on buying expensive christmas presents. You need to have money for bad stretches to get you through them to the next good run. When you blow all of your money on bullshit and then you hit a bad stretch you wind up not being able to pay for hosting and you got out of business.

4. People make bad investments when money is flowing in. (this one I have been victim of). When you making 30K a week you get a lot more risky with your money, so what if I blow 30K on a new project, that is just one weeks check. Make stupid mistakes and lose money left and right on bad projects, when you start making a lot less you will have wished you were more safe with your business decisions. It is good to diversify and reinvest into your business, but people get so risky and carefree they almost always blow it. You need to make decisions like that is the last bit of money you have to your name, not that it was just 1 week's check if it doesn't work oh well I will make more.


if nothing else learn from your mistakes.

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 17249442)

Don't your host have a backup?

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 17263562)

Never trust your host when it comes to backups. I learned it the hard way.

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17249485)

It's all my own damn fault for keeping shitty backups, and getting abehind on a payment. Amerinoc switched to their new payment ticket system, I kept sending in my payments directly, which apparently means they weren't tracked in the system. I always pay by eCheck which added and extra 6-8 days for payment to clear. Used to get a lot of leeway with Phatservers and hosted with them for a long time. If I got behind a month, I just doubled up the next month and it was never problem. Now you get automatically wiped after 45 days overdue by the system with no human review. Combine my month behind, with the pyment not tracked by the system and my eCheck setting me back, I surpassed their threshhold and everything got shitcanned. Apparently there's some old backups kicking around, not sure I even care at this point, but I'll see what's left over.

I got a solid $80k/year job right now doing track inspection for CN. I only planned on working til the end of summer, but with this turn I think I might just bite the bullet and kiss the net goodbye and run with it.

I dunno. Pretty much put the nail int he coffin of my internet career though. I haven't even started totaling the total value of what I've lost.

If anyone followed what I was saying about my poor money management at the end of last year, they'd know I made a lot of money in a short period doing some mainstream stuff, and spent it all very poorly on investments which were left half finished and unusable until they were finished. Pretty sure all that is gone, along with a lot of other stuff. I have rough backups kicking around for a lot of stuff, but it will take a lot of time to put it all back together and get things back in order. Don't know if I care to do it.

Poor management on my part sunk the ship.