Stephen Hill's dark life in porn

[EthnicLover]

"If porn is a joke -- and, particularly these days, it most assuredly is -- male porn stars are its punch line." "

"So-called woodsmen are paid significantly less than their female counterparts, for their efforts are treated like props on the movie sets where they perform near Herculean sex acts of which most men can only dream and more often than not end up as decapitated, frantically thrusting tubes of meat in this industry's final product."

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...rns_lost_boys/

[Elli]

That author has a wicked talent with the pen!

[Fletch XXX]

i had roomates worked so long in porn they had to inject their cocks to get wood, LOL working in porn studios taught me a lot about this industry and the true behind the scenes. Girls crying after doing anal scenes, the amount of intoxicated performers etc is mind boggling LOL seeing girls literally get off bus and start doing anal within hours and having to play psychiatrist etc, haha

[babymaker]

Great article

[TheSenator]

That is a nice article

Heres one for the woodmen out there

[Paul Markham]

Good article for those at the bottom of the pole. Both Males and females.

The lure of money is what turns on most of them.

[xNetworx]

Great read. That is very sad and interesting.

[dyna mo]

that article is entirely fucked. so hill is the victim? please.

[LeRoy]

Wow that's a great write up.

Somewhere in there it says "35.00" to nut on a girls face

[sortie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is entirely fucked. so hill is the victim? please.

Yeah, but which part of the article was a lie?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sortie

Yeah, but which part of the article was a lie?

eh? i never said it was a lie, but to cast hill as the victim of the porn bidness as some sort of rationalization for samarai chopping people up is ludicrous.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

Wow that's a great write up.

Somewhere in there it says "35.00" to nut on a girls face

And if you actually need $35 or if that's the only way for you to come on a girls face
then I guess you're fucked in life.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is entirely fucked. so hill is the victim? please.

Exactly. The guy killed one person and tried to kill several more. Also, by the looks of his MySpace and Twitter pages he LOVED his job.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by sortie

And if you actually need $35 or if that's the only way for you to come on a girls face
then I guess you're fucked in life.

To be in a porn movie, i think it's cheap.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

eh? i never said it was a lie, but to cast hill as the victim of the porn bidness as some sort of rationalization for samarai chopping people up is ludicrous.

How about you just read all that into it yourself when nobody else did.

I read an article about the reality of the guys job, if you want to turn that into
an excuse then do it yourself without blaming the messenger who made no excuse;
but simply passed on the message that his job was shit. And it was.

The guy murdered somebody; is it nonsense for people to wonder how he
got to this point?

He did what he did because he was flat broke.
The article just informs us of why he was flat broke.

[TheDoc]

That article sucks.... of course the chick taking multiple loads to the face is going to make more than the mass group of men dumping it on her. I have hired male actors "that do this as a job" - which most don't, anyway they make more than enough to live a decent life style if they didn't blow it on drugs, gym memberships/supplements and parties.

And trying to correlate the porn industry and porn men to this psychopath is pure ridiculous. By his standard, this should be happening every week or ever year, hell at least keeping up with the post office.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i had roomates worked so long in porn they had to inject their cocks to get wood, LOL working in porn studios taught me a lot about this industry and the true behind the scenes. Girls crying after doing anal scenes, the amount of intoxicated performers etc is mind boggling LOL seeing girls literally get off bus and start doing anal within hours and having to play psychiatrist etc, haha

sounds about right, not quite as glamorous as many thinks.
sure greed is big, most of the studs like their work and my guess is they would take the job at no pay at all.
btw, i think this character steve driver being called a pornstar is incorrect, i dont think he starred in any productions, he seemingly had a clipstore where he was performing but that is nowhere being a pornstar..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sortie

How about you just read all that into it yourself when nobody else did.

I read an article about the reality of the guys job, if you want to turn that into
an excuse then do it yourself without blaming the messenger who made no excuse;
but simply passed on the message that his job was shit. And it was.

The guy murdered somebody; is it nonsense for people to wonder how he
got to this point?

He did what he did because he was flat broke.
The article just informs us of why he was flat broke.

you obviously failed to either read the conclusion, or comprehend it.

i said the editorial is fucked and i stand by that. people can wonder all they want but the fact is he murdered that person, not the porn bidness, not his mama, not the way he was raised, not his fucking 3rd grade teacher.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sortie

How about you just read all that into it yourself when nobody else did.

right.
/

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Exactly. The guy killed one person and tried to kill several more. Also, by the looks of his MySpace and Twitter pages he LOVED his job.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

That article sucks.... of course the chick taking multiple loads to the face is going to make more than the mass group of men dumping it on her. I have hired male actors "that do this as a job" - which most don't, anyway they make more than enough to live a decent life style if they didn't blow it on drugs, gym memberships/supplements and parties.

And trying to correlate the porn industry and porn men to this psychopath is pure ridiculous. By his standard, this should be happening every week or ever year, hell at least keeping up with the post office.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Exactly. The guy killed one person and tried to kill several more. Also, by the looks of his MySpace and Twitter pages he LOVED his job.

Someone wants to create a motivational with his photo?

[dyna mo]

Hill's story is that of one more mentally unstable man knocked even further off-balance by the recession, who, facing unemployment, went on a deadly rampage. Nowadays, it's a porn star-turned-ninja who symbolizes the dashed hopes of Americans on the skids.

are you fucking kidding me.

poor, poor stephen hill. unlike the other 100s of millions of people struggling in 2010 who figure out other ways to survive, he instead went on a justified killing rampage due to being under-valued in the porn bidness.

that makes it ok and him a martyr for the rest of us.

[Evil Chris]

Good read that...

This last bit was quite well put:

Over the years, I have found that all porn stars have one thing in common: an overwhelming, desperate desire to be loved. Many of the men who work in the porn business are neither fools nor thugs. They love women and crave social acceptance to such a profound degree that they are willing to go to any lengths -- even subjugating themselves to the unknowable, undeniable demands of their own penises -- to, for one fleeting moment, feel that, in some way, they mattered to someone.

[slayer69]

well written article

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

are you fucking kidding me.

poor, poor stephen hill. unlike the other 100s of millions of people struggling in 2010 who figure out other ways to survive, he instead went on a justified killing rampage due to being under-valued in the porn bidness.

that makes it ok and him a martyr for the rest of us.

dyna mo I am 100% with you on this so I'll jump in...

To take another person's life no matter WHAT the conditions, other than self defense, is inexcusable. There are MILLIONS of people out there who take far more abuse on a daily basis, have had far worse upbringings, and live in complete fucking poverty... yet they don't kill anyone...

FREE WILL BITCHES!!! There are no fucking excuses for ending someone else's life.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

There are no fucking excuses for ending someone else's life.

lack of imagination.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

lack of imagination.

I didn't realize imaginary reasons justified murder... silly me!

[sortie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you obviously failed to either read the conclusion, or comprehend it.

i said the editorial is fucked and i stand by that. people can wonder all they want but the fact is he murdered that person, not the porn bidness, not his mama, not the way he was raised, not his fucking 3rd grade teacher.

What you said makes sense for a person who can only process one nugget of logic
at a time.

The rest of us can see the whole story without taking one part of the story
and then burying our head in the sand about the rest of the story.

You think the "rest of the story" is an excuse; but it's just the "rest of the story".

Also, you should know that the US criminal law systems does allow for "mitigating circumstances" in determining the action on a crime.
His life events may or may not be a "mitigating circumstance".
But you can't deem it either way without hearing the WHOLE story first.

[JayDeeZee]

Originally Posted by Elli

That author has a wicked talent with the pen!

Stephen Hill has wicked talent with a sword

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sortie

What you said makes sense for a person who can only process one nugget of logic
at a time.

The rest of us can see the whole story without taking one part of the story
and then burying our head in the sand about the rest of the story.

You think the "rest of the story" is an excuse; but it's just the "rest of the story".

Also, you should know that the US criminal law systems does allow for "mitigating circumstances" in determining the action on a crime.
His life events may or may not be a "mitigating circumstance".
But you can't deem it either way without hearing the WHOLE story first.

i am not sure why you had to make this personal. fact is, we are all free to interpret the author's opinion. i recall from college many heated debates while critiquing required reading in class discussion, thank god the instructor was present to keep it civil so i am familiar with how discussion like this can get personal quickly.

you are free to continue to make this about my *perceived* lack of ability to process information if you like, i should not of gotten hooked in and made my comment to you about your missing the conclusion, for that i apologize.

[Riffhard]

And everyone's eyes are blueeeeeeeee

And nobody wants to diieeeeeeeee.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by JayDeeZee

Stephen Hill has wicked talent with a sword

had

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

I didn't realize imaginary reasons justified murder... silly me!

Well english is not my first language, and that's why it's a little hard for me to answer.

But to summarize my ideas: more your life is cool, more you have friends, money, girlfriends, more people think that you are a cool and a nice guy and less you have reason to think that some people have problems.

Notice that someone who is actually a true psychopath, someone who suffers from a lack of empathy, is just unable to understand why other are suffering. Here that's the problem: you are unable to understand why someone could do something like that, probably because you born with a silverspoon in mouth (i don't mean to be offensive here, but that's my opinion).
Psychologic sufferance is hard to see, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

[Black Ops]

Though most of you will disagree, it's mostly fucked up people who fuck on film and if they are not already fucked up, they will be by the time they are finished. Not a lot of happy endings to porn stories.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

Well english is not my first language, and that's why it's a little hard for me to answer.

But to summarize my ideas: more your life is cool, more you have friends, money, girlfriends, more people think that you are a cool and a nice guy and less you have reason to think that some people have problems.

Notice that someone who is actually a true psychopath, someone who suffers from a lack of empathy, is just unable to understand why other are suffering. Here that's the problem: you are unable to understand why someone could do something like that, probably because you born with a silverspoon in mouth (i don't mean to be offensive here, but that's my opinion).
Psychologic sufferance is hard to see, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Hahah silver spoon my ass! Abusive alcoholic father, parents divorced at 13, my dad never bothered to call me or talk to me for 10 years, single mother on a teacher's salary with two kids... chicken on the bone nearly every night for dinner...

A true chemical imbalance leading to a psychological disorder is rare but certainly possible... the amount of times those disorders lead to murder... VERY SMALL...

This guy was not a psychopath... he was "troubled". And being "troubled" does not justify murder in my eyes in the slightest.

Oh and sorry for the word play I didn't know English wasn't your first language ;) For what it's worth your English is better than many people from whom English IS a first language, hahhahahh

[pornmasta]

Well thanks.

Here is 2 examples:

Why someone would kill other people?
If the reason that explains why someone wants to commit suicide is the other people.
A solution for your problem could be to kill the other, since it's also at least a virtual suicide.
btw:
img692.imageshack.us/img692/3373/googlesuggestion.jpg

Another reason: I don't live next to hollywood, but he was an actor, and what wants to be an actor? He wants to be famous! and now you can see him on TV.

Previously i gave a psychological explanation, no here is a sociologic one:
The society shows you stars that are supposed to be your idealized self, and you want to look like them, but finally at the end you are a jobless and homeless failure.
A solution for your problem, since there is a big crisis and since you have really no hope could be to find a final way to be famous...
A murder and the final chase, just like in a movie!


Well, for me it's easy to understand.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

Well thanks.

Here is 2 examples:

Why someone would kill other people?
If the reason that explains why someone wants to commit suicide is the other people.
A solution for your problem could be to kill the other, since it's also at least a virtual suicide.
btw:
img692.imageshack.us/img692/3373/googlesuggestion.jpg

Another reason: I don't live next to hollywood, but he was an actor, and what wants to be an actor? He wants to be famous! and now you can see him on TV.

Previously i gave a psychological explanation, no here is a sociologic one:
The society shows you stars that are supposed to be your idealized self, and you want to look like them, but finally at the end you are a jobless and homeless failure.
A solution for your problem, since there is a big crisis and since you have really no hope could be to find a final way to be famous...
A murder and the final chase, just like in a movie!


Well, for me it's easy to understand.

None of these excuse murder even in the slightest... while it may explain it it certainly does NOT excuse it.

[AmeliaG]

If that is who I think it is from the attitude, I did a Playboy job with that writer many years ago and Sharon Mitchell and Chloe were complaining about how incredibly disrespectful she was to them. I wasn't there for the part they described, so I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. In the intervening years, she has used up the benefit of the doubt because she really seems to seek out the bad in things and willfully ignore the positive.

I am totally baffled and put off by people who deliberately seek out porn, so they can pat themselves on the back for being above it. Despite publishing erotic material, I am uncomfortable with parts of the Porn Valley approach. So I don't use that business model or create for those companies. I am never ever going to have to convince someone to take it in the ass. But I don't seek out opportunities to be on set over and over for things I am not comfortable with. Why does anyone do that?

I am not going to roll around in what I find unpleasant and try to be an expert in icky sex. That just seems messed up to me.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

None of these excuse murder even in the slightest... while it may explain it it certainly does NOT excuse it.

well yes there is no moral way to kill, excepted perhap's war or self defense... or ... religion lol ?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

If that is who I think it is from the attitude, I did a Playboy job with that writer many years ago and Sharon Mitchell and Chloe were complaining about how incredibly disrespectful she was to them. I wasn't there for the part they described, so I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt. In the intervening years, she has used up the benefit of the doubt because she really seems to seek out the bad in things and willfully ignore the positive.

I am totally baffled and put off by people who deliberately seek out porn, so they can pat themselves on the back for being above it. Despite publishing erotic material, I am uncomfortable with parts of the Porn Valley approach. So I don't use that business model or create for those companies. I am never ever going to have to convince someone to take it in the ass. But I don't seek out opportunities to be on set over and over for things I am not comfortable with. Why does anyone do that?

I am not going to roll around in what I find unpleasant and try to be an expert in icky sex. That just seems messed up to me.

she also tends to write with a *look at me, i'm in the porn loop and you are not* style all while looking down her nose at it.

[EthnicLover]

WOW! I didn't think this article would strike such a chord with so many people.

I appreciated the length and analysis of the article, even though I didn't agree with her general thought process. It is interesting to note that the article's author, Susannah Breslin, has written on the porn industry for quite some time and may hold some level of empathy for porn actors and actresses.

With that being said I felt she was carving out this pocket of pity for Hill, which he does not deserve, considering he killed one man and tried to kill others. It seems more to me that Hill was mentally unstable and would have snapped under similar circumstances in a non-porn setting.

"Hill's story is that of one more mentally unstable man knocked even further off-balance by the recession..."

Yes, he appears to have been unstable but the economy has nothing to do with him wielding a sword and stabbing people. He threatened bodily harm to a teachers aide 12 years ago, so his ultimate demise should not come as a surprise.

R.I.P. Herbert Hin Wong

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that article is entirely fucked. so hill is the victim? please.

Ever notice how the mainstream media follows the same tired "script" when covering adult entertainment? Sad shit, no?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Black Ops

Though most of you will disagree, it's mostly fucked up people who fuck on film and if they are not already fucked up, they will be by the time they are finished. Not a lot of happy endings to porn stories.

I don't know what it's like in the Valley, here in Czech and the UK most of the people fuck on film are not used if they're fuck ups.

This guy was a fuck up before he got involved in porn, losing his job and accommodation probably had more to do with him going on a rampage than anything else. He could of been in any profession and acted the same way.

[seeandsee]

35$ to cum on girl face, is that for real, that is cheaper than cheap job

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

35$ to cum on girl face, is that for real, that is cheaper than cheap job

A lot of guys would pay money to put a mask on and "anonymously" blow a load in a girl's face

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Ever notice how the mainstream media follows the same tired "script" when covering adult entertainment? Sad shit, no?

indeed. i guess on a positive note, it reinforces my lack of faith in media. well, maybe that's not so positive eh!