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ottopottomouse · 05-22-2010, 02:35 PM

Not sure where I was bitching about piracy and spouting bullshit. Some of your posts get really confusing

Serge Litehead · 05-22-2010, 02:39 PM

Gideon, please point where lies new revenue stream in example such as this:

What about little guys? small production shops, who are pushing only 1-2mil in revenues? let say there is a stock photo company, let say they release 10-20 CD/DVDs a year, and have generous 50% gross profit. One day someone decides to utilize redundant backup of modern public torrent trackers to store these DVDs. what happens next? almost instantly their content freely available on all pirate resources with 100 thousands of downloads globally. How this small shop can monitor all such resources and go after all leeches without fair use right? - Gideon suggests for this company to use most of their profits to legally pursue criminal offenders.

I see only additional expenses occurring to the fact of piracy. how can they monetize their freely distributed content to increase their profits? please do enlighten us

lets take another example, small startup gaming company releases for sale blockbuster game, 1million bought copies, in few month 10 million playing cracked version - where are these new revenue streams you are talking about?

digitaldivas · 05-22-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012

...this fine piece of artistic genius just went on my Facebook

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon, please point where lies new revenue stream in example such as this:

What about little guys? small production shops, who are pushing only 1-2mil in revenues? let say there is a stock photo company, let say they release 10-20 CD/DVDs a year, and have generous 50% gross profit. One day someone decides to utilize redundant backup of modern public torrent trackers to store these DVDs. what happens next? almost instantly their content freely available on all pirate resources with 100 thousands of downloads globally. How this small shop can monitor all such resources and go after all leeches without fair use right? - Gideon suggests for this company to use most of their profits to legally pursue criminal offenders.

like i said not everyone will survive

mowe got timeshifted to death

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I see only additional expenses occurring to the fact of piracy. how can they monetize their freely distributed content to increase their profits?

but that because your clueless about this stuff (as proven by your copyright holders only fair use statements)

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please do enlighten us

sure 5k plus 10% of all revenue generared from the techniques.

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lets take another example, small startup gaming company releases for sale blockbuster game, 1million bought copies, in few month 10 million playing cracked version - where are these new revenue streams you are talking about?

well i would say do something like crazy taxi did, but negotiate a back end on it instead of a fully paid front end

that way the product placement would kick in for the 10 million cracked copies too.

that just 1 of over 500 we teach.

althought that one is so self evident only a complete moron would miss it.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by holograph

Gideon, please point where lies new revenue stream in example such as this:

What about little guys? small production shops, who are pushing only 1-2mil in revenues? let say there is a stock photo company, let say they release 10-20 CD/DVDs a year, and have generous 50% gross profit. One day someone decides to utilize redundant backup of modern public torrent trackers to store these DVDs. what happens next? almost instantly their content freely available on all pirate resources with 100 thousands of downloads globally. How this small shop can monitor all such resources and go after all leeches without fair use right? - Gideon suggests for this company to use most of their profits to legally pursue criminal offenders.

or how about use the newer shooting technology
upsell the better monitors/video card to the lowbies using affiliate links
and then sell them the higher real 3d stuff for the new tv.

hell offer a bundling deal and make money off the commissions.

VGeorgie · 05-22-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the grokster case choose to ignore the concept of access shifting because the sharing transaction had 1 infringement even if the downloaders rights were authorized by access shifting.

<snip>
in the case of bit torrent the fair use rights of the leacher should not be ignored

ISOhunt has an appeal based on this arguement because the judge who made the ruling wrongly used the grokster case as a base without address this fundamental difference.

<snip rest>

Stay on topic. You, as well as the bittorrent community in general, know nothing of the technology Adobe is pushing, or why, or understand their business model, or their mindset.

So, you have to dilute the topic with a bunch of other crap.

I don't really care about your interpretation of the Grokster case. You're not a subject matter expert in my eyes. Even less so when you keep posting about something, have you proved wrong, then continue to spout the same lengthy nonsense about fair use.

Case in point: You keep talking about "fair use rights." There's no such thing. Fair use is a doctrine, it's not a right. Fair use is a measured legal doctrine that tempers the rights of copyright holders. You might at least get this part of your argument correct.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 04:22 PM

Gideon, do you have a main website where musicians (and others) can check out your rates, plans, etc?

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VGeorgie

Stay on topic. You, as well as the bittorrent community in general, know nothing of the technology Adobe is pushing, or why, or understand their business model, or their mindset.

So, you have to dilute the topic with a bunch of other crap.

I don't really care about your interpretation of the Grokster case. You're not a subject matter expert in my eyes. Even less so when you keep posting about something, have you proved wrong, then continue to spout the same lengthy nonsense about fair use.

Case in point: You keep talking about "fair use rights." There's no such thing. Fair use is a doctrine, it's not a right. Fair use is a measured legal doctrine that tempers the rights of copyright holders. You might at least get this part of your argument correct.

maybe if you stopped nitpicking about word phrases and actually read the post you would see the relevance

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but that the point
if seeding becomes fair use protected (sampling ) because of the piece meal nature then adobe could sell MORE flash servers becuase it would provide equal legal protection for such tube sites.

from the exact same post you are bitching about.

Dirty Dane · 05-22-2010, 05:00 PM

It does not matter what technology is used or where it's hosted. An infringement is still an infringement. If it happens out of physical reach, you do what laws enable you to do. If it's your neighbour, you punch him in the face.
It's that simple....

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

or how about use the newer shooting technology
upsell the better monitors/video card to the lowbies using affiliate links
and then sell them the higher real 3d stuff for the new tv.

hell offer a bundling deal and make money off the commissions.

Let's see...even IF a video card/monitor distribution company were to allow you to market of off an adult site (which they don't), and even IF a consumer were to decide to buy a new set up like that from a porn vid instead of just going to bestbuy.com or amazon or just googling it up...

Then that would mean that after the time & money spent shooting a porn video, then the man hours of editing the scene, not to mention the costs of 2257 record keeping and the RISK of going to jail, and then the costs in time and money promoting it...
I'd get to make a whole 3 maybe 5% off upselling a fucking monitor or graphics card?

GG, I wouldn't get out of bed for that kind of money.

And that's one example of your "new revenue stream"?

You are just fucking dumb. I used to think you were just ignorant. I'm changing that to STUPID.

That's not a "new revenue stream" That's just a waste of real estate on a web page upselling products that don't make a fraction of what I can make SELLING PORN.

Get it? That's what we do. We SELL PORN.

Goddamn what a dumbass you are.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Let's see...even IF a video card/monitor distribution company were to allow you to market of off an adult site (which they don't), and even IF a consumer were to decide to buy a new set up like that from a porn vid instead of just going to bestbuy.com or amazon or just googling it up...

Then that would mean that after the time & money spent shooting a porn video, then the man hours of editing the scene, not to mention the costs of 2257 record keeping and the RISK of going to jail, and then the costs in time and money promoting it...
I'd get to make a whole 3 maybe 5% off upselling a fucking monitor or graphics card?

GG, I wouldn't get out of bed for that kind of money.

And that's one example of your "new revenue stream"?

You are just fucking dumb. I used to think you were just ignorant. I'm changing that to STUPID.

That's not a "new revenue stream" That's just a waste of real estate on a web page upselling products that don't make a fraction of what I can make SELLING PORN.

Get it? That's what we do. We SELL PORN.

Goddamn what a dumbass you are.

dumbass it that an example of an solution even a world class moron should see
one of the supposedly non-existent revenue streams.

our instructions are about making small changes that bring you the income stream WHEN you content get shared.

so 15 minutes work is not worth and extra 5-10% to your bottom line.

good for you.

so when i showcase the techniques with doc i will price your licience according to your claimed income level.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

dumbass it
it about making small changes that bring you the income stream WHEN you content get shared.

so 15 minutes work is not worth and extra 5-10% to your bottom line.

good for you.

so when i showcase the techniques with doc i will price your licience according to your claimed income level.

Jesus you're stupid.

I make a LOT more money without piracy. I don't know how else to explain it to you. I'll try just one more time:

Mainstream affiliate programs almost UNIVERSALLY PROHIBIT YOU FROM PROMOTING ON ADULT SITES. It's against their TOS and they will shit can you. They also do NOT pay the high 50% + that porn sites payout to affiliates. They also go out of their way to steal your return customers by immediately emailing them "offers" without your ref code.

Goddamnit GideonGallery....I've been doing this longer than you've been an adult. I've been a VERY successful affiliate (even more money than the paysite) since the mid 1990's. I've promoted both porn and mainstream...and I just don't spend 2 seconds on mainstream anymore for the reasons I just gave you.

I SELL PORN. That tiny bit of side income you're talking about can not replace the millions of dollars to be made in porn.

You don't know what you're talking about, and when you sit here and argue with someone like me who has expertise in this field you show your stupidity. You should be listening to what I'm telling you and learning. Then you could be making money instead of being a broke jackass.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VGeorgie

Case in point: You keep talking about "fair use rights." There's no such thing. Fair use is a doctrine, it's not a right. Fair use is a measured legal doctrine that tempers the rights of copyright holders. You might at least get this part of your argument correct.

oh and you might want to check the context of the phrase "fair use right"
it in the context of when a court case establishs a new form of fair use (timeshifting/format shifting/etc) and the rights that new fair use grants a person to do (the right to move the viewing time from monday to tuesday/the right to change the format of the music you paid for/etc)

in that context that working is correct btw.

still doesn't change the fact that your nitpicking missed caused you to miss the point that was being made.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

oh and you might want to check the context of the phrase "fair use right"
it in the context of when a court case establishs a new form of fair use (timeshifting/format shifting/etc) and the rights that new fair use grants a person to do (the right to move the viewing time from monday to tuesday/the right to change the format of the music you paid for/etc)

in that context that working is correct btw.

still doesn't change the fact that your nitpicking missed caused you to miss the point that was being made.

Back to armchair lawyering...

gideongallery: jackass of all trades, master of NONE

stever · 05-22-2010, 06:48 PM

i dont get it

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Jesus you're stupid.

I make a LOT more money without piracy. I don't know how else to explain it to you. I'll try just one more time:

Mainstream affiliate programs almost UNIVERSALLY PROHIBIT YOU FROM PROMOTING ON ADULT SITES. It's against their TOS and they will shit can you. They also do NOT pay the high 50% + that porn sites payout to affiliates. They also go out of their way to steal your return customers by immediately emailing them "offers" without your ref code.

Goddamnit GideonGallery....I've been doing this longer than you've been an adult. I've been a VERY successful affiliate (even more money than the paysite) since the mid 1990's. I've promoted both porn and mainstream...and I just don't spend 2 seconds on mainstream anymore for the reasons I just gave you.

I SELL PORN. That tiny bit of side income you're talking about can not replace the millions of dollars to be made in porn.

You don't know what you're talking about, and when you sit here and argue with someone like me who has expertise in this field you show your stupidity. You should be listening to what I'm telling you and learning. Then you could be making money instead of being a broke jackass.

yeah we had this same arguement when we talked about product placement
you argued product placement would work in porn at all
until you realized that signage would work just as well to sell your own porn site.

then you claimed you were creative for copying waynes world.

i am sort of suprise you are so dumb you don't see how the same point applys here.

like i said good to know
i will make sure when i licience the techniques to you, i will price them up to the level of income you claim to be making. 500-600x what everyone else pays should be reasonable.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

yeah we had this same arguement when we talked about product placement
you argued product placement would work in porn at all
until you realized that signage would work just as well to sell your own porn site.

then you claimed you were creative for copying waynes world.

i am sort of suprise you are so dumb you don't see how the same point applys here.

like i said good to know
i will make sure when i licience the techniques to you, i will price them up to the level of income you claim to be making. 500-600x what everyone else pays should be reasonable.

FUCKING IDIOT...

I NEVER wanted to do "product placement"

What I said was I could do like waynes world and promote the actual site that the vid is playing from and make it funny. That's not product placement.

Once again you are trying to sidestep what I just told you about that little upsell you're apparently basing your entire theories on.

Here is the reality since you don't know anything about marketing or online marketing or the porn business:
All of your longwinded ignorant posts come down to this...You are calling a shitty upsell with a low percentage payout a "new revenue stream"

You are NOT coming up with a way to increase sales to my paysite. You are just talking a shit upsell that doesn't payout as well.

In other words...you're both dumb and ignorant.

What a loser! No wonder you can't make any money.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:05 PM

Let's count all the ignorant things gideongallery has said just in this one thread:

1. Showed he has ZERO knowledge of streaming technology

2. Showed once again he has ZERO knowledge of how affiliate programs work

3. Showed again that he has ZERO knowledge of surfer habits and trends

4. Showed that he has ZERO knowledge of what mainstream affiliate programs will or won't allow.

5. Showed that he still has delusions of grandeur and thinks he is smarter than everyone who actually is in this business...when in reality he is hands down the dumbest poster on GFY (and that's not easy to do)

EDIT: Oh and I forgot about the fact that he also showed his skills using the "lawyer license" he got out of a box of cracker jacks

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:17 PM

gideongallery, get your ass back in here and argue some more!

Fuck, I must be losing my touch

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:25 PM

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:29 PM

Now where did gideongallery go?

Probably working on that torrent recorder that was his last get rich quick scheme a few months ago.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

FUCKING IDIOT...

I NEVER wanted to do "product placement"

What I said was I could do like waynes world and promote the actual site that the vid is playing from and make it funny. That's not product placement.

Once again you are trying to sidestep what I just told you about that little upsell you're apparently basing your entire theories on.

Here is the reality since you don't know anything about marketing or online marketing or the porn business:
All of your longwinded ignorant posts come down to this...You are calling a shitty upsell with a low percentage payout a "new revenue stream"

You are NOT coming up with a way to increase sales to my paysite. You are just talking a shit upsell that doesn't payout as well.

In other words...you're both dumb and ignorant.

What a loser! No wonder you can't make any money.

robbie the wayne's world bit you were talking about is actually part of MBA program at western as an example of product placement

it specifically the concept of signage.
using it to internally promote a your own site or an external site or product doesn't change the fact that it still signage.

you argued for months product placement would never work in porn because coke/pepsi/whatever mainstream sponsor would not allow it.

and no matter how many times
that arguing product placement would not work in porn because coke would not pay for product placement was as valid as saying that there was no market for tampons because you could sell them at a gay bar.

how stupid do you have to be to not realize that you are making the same arguement all over again.

let me put it another way
just because you fill a vending machine in the mens washroom with tampons and they don't sell doesn't mean that vending machine idea was a bad idea.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:39 PM

There you go again...

I NEVER said anything about Wayne's World in the first place in that long ago thread. YOU DID.

I said, hmmmm....how about taking that concept and tweaking it on the vids so it would allow someone surfing an illegit tube to at least know where that video came from because the illegit tube resized the vid so the watermark doesn't show.

It was just one of a million things I think about and somehow you've latched onto that as some kind of "proof" in your delusional mind that YOU are a genius?

I wasn't looking to try and upsell anything in my vids. I was just looking for any way to get a surfer to come to MY paysite from MY stolen vid because the thieves don't bother linking back to us in any way at all.

Dude, it's really doesn't amount to anything. In fact, I haven't even done it yet. When I do it, it's just going to be ONE update. One scene that revolves around that funny idea. And yeah, it'll be campy and hopefully amusing just like Wayne's World was.

The HUGE difference is this...I'll actually be filming and making something NEW. Whereas someone with your limited scope would simply steal actual Waynes World footage and try changing the words they are speaking and calling it a "parody"

Now stop trying to change the subject:
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT ALL THE THINGS I POINTED OUT. Matter of fact...you are just completely lost in this business. That's why you are what you are and that's why you occupy your current station in life.

As Bob Dylan once sang: "Can't you see, it's not my problem"

Do yourself a favor. Go get a job. It's what you are destined for. You're a worker bee. Nothing more.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:55 PM

ok gideongallery...come back here.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I didn't really mean that part about you being nothing more than a worker bee.

Now give me a hug and wipe the tears out of your beady little eyes. We're still buddies!

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

There you go again...

I NEVER said anything about Wayne's World in the first place in that long ago thread. YOU DID.

I said, hmmmm....how about taking that concept and tweaking it on the vids so it would allow someone surfing an illegit tube to at least know where that video came from because the illegit tube resized the vid so the watermark doesn't show.

It was just one of a million things I think about and somehow you've latched onto that as some kind of "proof" in your delusional mind that YOU are a genius?

I wasn't looking to try and upsell anything in my vids. I was just looking for any way to get a surfer to come to MY paysite from MY stolen vid because the thieves don't bother linking back to us in any way at all.

ok please explain to me what exactly about this statement do you not understand

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using it to internally promote a your own site or an external site or product doesn't change the fact that it still signage.

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Dude, it's really doesn't amount to anything. In fact, I haven't even done it yet. When I do it, it's just going to be ONE update. One scene that revolves around that funny idea. And yeah, it'll be campy and hopefully amusing just like Wayne's World was.

The HUGE difference is this...I'll actually be filming and making something NEW. Whereas someone with your limited scope would simply steal actual Waynes World footage and try changing the words they are speaking and calling it a "parody"

Now stop trying to change the subject:
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT ALL THE THINGS I POINTED OUT. Matter of fact...you are just completely lost in this business. That's why you are what you are and that's why you occupy your current station in life.

As Bob Dylan once sang: "Can't you see, it's not my problem"

Do yourself a favor. Go get a job. It's what you are destined for. You're a worker bee. Nothing more.

i am not going to waste time explaining to you copying someone elses scene but just changing the context to porn is not creating something new. By definition the fact that you copied means it a deriviative work and not something new.

nor am i again explain to you how insanely stupid the arguement that the only way to use your content to make a parody is to not use the content at all is.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 07:57 PM

gideon? Damn it...

Okay, if anybody sees gideongallery would you please tell him to come back to the thread? Tell him I'm sorry and I didn't mean to say those harsh words to him.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i am not going to waste time explaining to you copying someone elses scene but just changing the context to porn is not creating something new. By definition the fact that you copied means it a deriviative work and not something new.

I'll make sure to tell The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppeling and the list goes on and on that they didn't create anything new when they took all those old blues licks, changed the tempo and arrangement and lyrics and wrote new songs.

And I'll fire off a letter to George Lucas letting him know that since Star Wars was just a cowboy western movie (he said so himself) set in the future in a different galaxy...that he didn't create anything new either.

You really have no clue about any of this do you? That's why I love fucking with you. You just show your stupidity over and over and over again.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

nor am i again explain to you how insanely stupid the arguement that the only way to use your content to make a parody is to not use the content at all is.

Because I'm right.

Does Saturday Night Live use actual footage of other's work when doing a parody skit?
No, they have talent.

Did Weird Al Yankovich use actual recordings of other artists or did he re-record it himself? He actually re-recorded it himself from scratch because he's talented.

Do all those new Hustler parody DVD's use actual footage from the television shows they parody?
No, they shoot it themselves.

You on the other hand have no talent. You just take the easy way every time. The only parodies that you seem to love are the ones that only require a person to make a pretty funny joke up.

Whoopty doo.

A child could do that.

You don't have the skill set to do REAL parody. Accept it. You, and most people out there...are incapable of doing anything other than stealing footage and simply changing the words. I'm so impressed with that ~yawn~

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'll make sure to tell The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppeling and the list goes on and on that they didn't create anything new when they took all those old blues licks, changed the tempo and arrangement and lyrics and wrote new songs.

And I'll fire off a letter to George Lucas letting him know that since Star Wars was just a cowboy western movie (he said so himself) set in the future in a different galaxy...that he didn't create anything new either.

You really have no clue about any of this do you? That's why I love fucking with you. You just show your stupidity over and over and over again.

i really have to find the post you made about

wayne's world did something new and unique they decryed product placement while doing product placement (that was what made the scene funny)

you claimed that doing the EXACT SAME thing but just changing the context to porn was something new and creative.

you are basically trying to denegrate the actual creative work or real artist to try and justify your copycat bullshit as some how creative

although i would have to agree with you on star wars thing but considering that

Quote:

George Lucas has acknowledged the influence of The Hidden Fortress on Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, particularly in the technique of telling the story from the points of view of the film's lowliest characters, C-3PO and R2-D2.[

at least he has the integrity to admit the influence.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i really have to find the post you made about

wayne's world did something new and unique they decryed product placement while doing product placement (that was what made the scene funny)

you claimed that doing the EXACT SAME thing but just changing the context to porn was something new and creative.

you are basically trying to denegrate the actual creative work or real artist to try and justify your copycat bullshit as some how creative

although i would have to agree with you on star wars thing but considering that

at least he has the integrity to admit the influence.

You don't read very well do you? But enough of this foolishness. I keep showing you the sky is blue and you keep denying it over and over. lol

How about you address the original post you made here? And the fact that you showed you don't know what the hell you are talking about?

You keep trying your best to sidestep me. It's funny. And you are entertaining the hell out of me with your know it all attitude about entertainment with absolutely nothing to back you up. No experience, no talent.

You are the perfect example of a couch potato who watches too much television and thinks he could do it better.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Because I'm right.

Does Saturday Night Live use actual footage of other's work when doing a parody skit?
No, they have talent.

Did Weird Al Yankovich use actual recordings of other artists or did he re-record it himself? He actually re-recorded it himself from scratch because he's talented.

Do all those new Hustler parody DVD's use actual footage from the television shows they parody?
No, they shoot it themselves.

You on the other hand have no talent. You just take the easy way every time. The only parodies that you seem to love are the ones that only require a person to make a pretty funny joke up.

Whoopty doo.

A child could do that.

You don't have the skill set to do REAL parody. Accept it. You, and most people out there...are incapable of doing anything other than stealing footage and simply changing the words. I'm so impressed with that ~yawn~

ok smart guy if changing the context of a movie by layering in new subtitles why did the eff win their arguement that this

was a parody

you only prove your a clueless moron when you argue that the court define definition of a "parody" is not a parody.

of course if you want to argue about creative and creating something new

there are only two creative or new downfall parodies

the very first one which recast the serious movie into a comedic commentary/parody about an issue.

and eff one which turned it into a DMCA trap that both explained why it was a valid fair use within the video and made itself a target of the abuser of the DMCA(sending take downs without actually check if it was fair use-- which the explaination within the video proved)

everyone else are not new, not creative , derivative works which are still valid parodies.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

ok smart guy if changing the context of a movie by layering in new subtitles why did the eff win their arguement that this

was a parody

you only prove your a clueless moron when you argue that the court define definition of a "parody" is not a parody.

of course if you want to argue about creative and creating something new

there are only two creative or new downfall parodies

the very first one which recast the serious movie into a comedic commentary/parody about an issue.

and eff one which turned it into a DMCA trap that both explained why it was a valid fair use within the video and made itself a target of the abuser of the DMCA(sending take downs without actually check if it was fair use-- which the explaination within the video proved)

everyone else are not new, not creative , derivative works which are still valid parodies.

That's a sample, part, or whatever they call it... made for the purpose of a parody, which is why it's fair use. If you ripped the entire movie and did that it would be copyright infringement.

Which is why all the examples Robbie are different.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 08:31 PM

Re way above...

Self product placement... might as well just toss a stamp on the video, it would be more effective. Otherwise it better have a hell of a hook for it to catch anyone.

Porn has product placement in it though, when you're a major studio/production company and you pay several people to sit around all day already, it's not a big deal to have them seek product placement as a side task. It's just one more thing you can do to help pay for content, it dang sure isn't buying you any new toys, cars or houses.

When it comes to upsells, non-adult products bomb... landing pages, sandwich, whatever you want to try. Then the amount of time it takes to find a hot offer in mainstream that would do well in porn, you could have made 100x more just putting up killer porn sites instead either way.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

ok smart guy if changing the context of a movie by layering in new subtitles why did the eff win their arguement that this
was a parody

you only prove your a clueless moron when you argue that the court define definition of a "parody" is not a parody.

of course if you want to argue about creative and creating something new

there are only two creative or new downfall parodies

the very first one which recast the serious movie into a comedic commentary/parody about an issue.

and eff one which turned it into a DMCA trap that both explained why it was a valid fair use within the video and made itself a target of the abuser of the DMCA(sending take downs without actually check if it was fair use-- which the explaination within the video proved)

everyone else are not new, not creative , derivative works which are still valid parodies.

That's a funny vid. Nothing more. It's somebody coming up with some funny subtitles.

Again, I'm not impressed. Anybody with a good sense of humor could have done that. Not much else was required which is why you THINK of it as real parody

A true comedian or comedic group who take pride in their craft and worked their way up doing standup at shit hole clubs would find it funny as hell too. Doesn't mean that they would ever equate what they do with that funny subtitled video.

YOU might think it's all the same. But real artists know better.

Again, I'm showing you the sky is blue and you just keep repeating the same thing over and over and over and over.

Here let me help you:

gideongallerys entire thoughts: vcr, cloud, timeshifting, the hitler video with subtitles, waynes world
Now take those words and repeat them over and over.

You still haven't addressed the FACT that you are dead wrong on this thread. And you also don't address what I said about some of the greatest songwriters in rock history using old blues licks and creating new music that stands on it's own.

According to you...they have no talent and are just copying stuff.

Sorry gideongallery. But this entire thread shows again that you don't know what you are talking about on pretty much any subject.

Which isn't surprising because you have never DONE anything to have the wisdom and knowledge that only experience can bring.

You watch television. That pretty much sums up your entire "career". And as was already said earlier...you THINK the internet is your vcr

What a clown!

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 08:35 PM

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it amazing how far you got try and justify the idiotic statement that copying waynes world in porn is somehow creative

in your world micheal angelo didn't invent a new type of scaffolding so that he could paint the roof of the chapel without closing it down.

i am a computer programmer, and as such know the difference between your made up definition of creativity and real creativity.

HTTP, html, tcp/ip, xml, silverlight, NAS, Bit torrent, and hundreds of other technology were creatively built from the simple 1 0 of binary.

they all did something new, something that was not done before. something that was creative.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

btw

"There's nothing you can do that can't be done"

the statement is not a true statement

want proof

be the first person to run the 4 minute mile

someone did that, and no one else can do it, being first doing something different then everyone else in the world could do, that is the only place of true creativity.

Everyone else is copycatting losers.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ayne%27s+world

you don't understand what true creativity is

and

you are still trying to argue that vending machine in a guys washroom is a bad idea because you couldn't sell any tampons with that machine

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you don't understand what true creativity is

and

you are still trying to argue that vending machine in a guys washroom is a bad idea because you could sell any tampons.

Nope, YOU are the only one talking about vending machines and tampons.

And you are the one who has never created one thing.

Just want to get those facts straight for the hundreds of webmasters we are entertaining with this thread. I love you gideongallery.

Serge Litehead · 05-22-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

on a side note, how about timeshifting that sandwich

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope, YOU are the only one talking about vending machines and tampons.

And you are the one who has never created one thing.

Just want to get those facts straight for the hundreds of webmasters we are entertaining with this thread. I love you gideongallery.

if your so stupid that you don't see how arguing that an idea won't work at all because you can't sell mainstream products

is not exactly the same bullshit arguement as saying vending machines in men's washroom wont work (=porn) at all because you can't sell tampons (=mainstream product) in them

then you really are an idiot

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

if your so stupid that you don't see how arguing that an idea won't work at all because it won't work with mainstream products

is not exactly the same bullshit arguement as saying vending machines in men's washroom wont work (=porn) at all because you can't sell tampons (=mainstream product) in them

there really is no helping you at all.

Yep, I'm the stupid one here.

So again I will say to you THE SKY IS BLUE. And you haven't proved that you can do one thing other than talk when it comes to selling PORN.

I don't give a damn if your shit might work on a mainstream site to make pennies. I care if it can sell MY PORN SITE. It can't. And your whole idea is nothing more to me than an shitty upsell that would be better used to upsell another porn site...which we all already do and do it far better than your "genius" idea.

loser

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's a sample, part, or whatever they call it... made for the purpose of a parody, which is why it's fair use. If you ripped the entire movie and did that it would be copyright infringement.

Which is why all the examples Robbie are different.

nope the change of context not the length makes it fair use.

gideongallery · 05-22-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep, I'm the stupid one here.

So again I will say to you THE SKY IS BLUE. And you haven't proved that you can do one thing other than talk when it comes to selling PORN.

I don't give a damn if your shit might work on a mainstream site to make pennies. I care if it can sell MY PORN SITE. It can't. And your whole idea is nothing more to me than an shitty upsell that would be better used to upsell another porn site...which we all already do and do it far better than your "genius" idea.

loser

cool so we agree after i am done with doc example your price for the info is 10,000 greater than everyone else

not really a problem since it will never work anyway.

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

cool so we agree after i am done with doc example your price for the info is 10,000 greater than everyone else

not really a problem since it will never work anyway.

gideongallery, I sincerely hope that your ideas DO work.

I never discount anybody or underestimate them.

I just know that you have never said one thing on gfy that has led me to believe you have a clue. But that doesn't mean you don't.

For all I know you may just be playing dumb on here. I enjoy these debates with you, but they are so one-sided it's like beating up a guy with no arms or legs (probably why I enjoy it so much lol )

But I really do have nothing but well wishes for you to be successful and if your ideas work and make more money than people did BEFORE piracy then I will be the first to congratulate you and I will defend you to the death on GFY and help you in any way that I can.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

nope the change of context not the length makes it fair use.

"In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, e.g., a few sentences of a text for a book review, the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use"

Thus fair use is a sample, and a copy of a whole is not a sample - unless it's for personal use.

"If you're copying an entire work, it's not fair use. While copying an entire work may make it harder to justify the amount and substantiality test, it does not make it impossible that a use is fair use."

That limit being, personal use for time shifting. Not anything else.

The only reason that "clip" is allowed is because it's a small sample and a parody not subject to dmca. Again point was, your example is vastly different than Robbie's.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Gideon, do you have a main website where musicians (and others) can check out your rates, plans, etc?

With all the crazy going on... what is your Website that musicians can find you on to get exposure and such?

Robbie · 05-22-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

With all the crazy going on... what is your Website that musicians can find you on to get exposure and such?

I'd like to know too. I'm in the middle of shooting music vids for two of my songs and if gideongallery can really do these things I'd like to work with him on it.

Does it really exist? Or is it more delusion?

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd like to know too. I'm in the middle of shooting music vids for two of my songs and if gideongallery can really do these things I'd like to work with him on it.

Does it really exist? Or is it more delusion?

My Dad started playing 40ish years ago... has a band today, knows a ton of amazing amazing amazing bands and songs... just like you I'm sure.

These guys have no idea about anything Internet and a good friends giving them advice is a hell of a push for someone that has talent.

Dirty Dane · 05-22-2010, 09:45 PM

gideongallery, before you can even argue with fair use, you first have to understand the concept of establishing fair use. If you are profiting from someone elses work without their consent, the profit factor will completely remove fair use. It doesn't matter where or who is hosting the file, if you profit from it you are guilty of infringement. Period.
If you embed something from YouTube, wrap your ads around it, you make money off it. It doesn't matter if YouTube host it, the original uploader has consent or not. If you do not have consent, you are subject to infringement. You publish it on your website.
If the source of what you embed, hotlink or whatever, is splitted into 1 million parts, your output will still be the same. Nothing change.

As a matter of fact, reducing costs will eliminate the fair use argument even more. The more you profit, the less you can argue "non-profit".
The host will also still have same obligations to comply with copyright laws. If they (as in P2P) only provide 1 byte of data, they still conspire. Just like in criminal cases, no one is excempt from conspiracy, unless they are not part of the international agreement.

TheDoc · 05-22-2010, 09:53 PM

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gideongallery · 05-23-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

"In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, e.g., a few sentences of a text for a book review, the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use"

Thus fair use is a sample, and a copy of a whole is not a sample - unless it's for personal use.

"If you're copying an entire work, it's not fair use. While copying an entire work may make it harder to justify the amount and substantiality test, it does not make it impossible that a use is fair use."
That limit being, personal use for time shifting. Not anything else.

The only reason that "clip" is allowed is because it's a small sample and a parody not subject to dmca. Again point was, your example is vastly different than Robbie's.

google steve smith playhouse

nuff said

gideongallery · 05-23-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

gideongallery, before you can even argue with fair use, you first have to understand the concept of establishing fair use. If you are profiting from someone elses work without their consent, the profit factor will completely remove fair use. It doesn't matter where or who is hosting the file, if you profit from it you are guilty of infringement. Period.

you sir as a moron
fair use does not disappear just because you make money
vcr sold for 1k each yet timeshifting is still a fair use
hundreds of artist make money from parodies and parodies are still a fair use
commentaries are sold and have advertising around them again it is still a fair use
micheal moore made millions from his documentaries which used other people copies of speaches to make his commentaries.

how many times have pointed out the 1/5 of the US economy is dependent on fair use. You can make money from fair use

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If you embed something from YouTube, wrap your ads around it, you make money off it. It doesn't matter if YouTube host it, the original uploader has consent or not. If you do not have consent, you are subject to infringement. You publish it on your website.
If the source of what you embed, hotlink or whatever, is splitted into 1 million parts, your output will still be the same. Nothing change.

As a matter of fact, reducing costs will eliminate the fair use argument even more. The more you profit, the less you can argue "non-profit".
The host will also still have same obligations to comply with copyright laws. If they (as in P2P) only provide 1 byte of data, they still conspire. Just like in criminal cases, no one is excempt from conspiracy, unless they are not part of the international agreement.

you really need to read the law and case law a little better because you are totally clueless about this concept.

05-22-2010, 02:35 PM	#101
ottopottomouse She is ugly, bad luck. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,177	Not sure where I was bitching about piracy and spouting bullshit. Some of your posts get really confusing __________________ ↑ see post ↑ 13101

05-22-2010, 02:39 PM	#102
Serge Litehead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind the scenes Posts: 5,190	Gideon, please point where lies new revenue stream in example such as this: What about little guys? small production shops, who are pushing only 1-2mil in revenues? let say there is a stock photo company, let say they release 10-20 CD/DVDs a year, and have generous 50% gross profit. One day someone decides to utilize redundant backup of modern public torrent trackers to store these DVDs. what happens next? almost instantly their content freely available on all pirate resources with 100 thousands of downloads globally. How this small shop can monitor all such resources and go after all leeches without fair use right? - Gideon suggests for this company to use most of their profits to legally pursue criminal offenders. I see only additional expenses occurring to the fact of piracy. how can they monetize their freely distributed content to increase their profits? please do enlighten us lets take another example, small startup gaming company releases for sale blockbuster game, 1million bought copies, in few month 10 million playing cracked version - where are these new revenue streams you are talking about? __________________ SilverCrocodile.com Adult web design since '05 Last edited by Serge Litehead; 05-22-2010 at 02:42 PM..

05-22-2010, 04:22 PM	#107
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Gideon, do you have a main website where musicians (and others) can check out your rates, plans, etc? __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

05-22-2010, 06:48 PM	#115
stever Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,715	i dont get it __________________ Brutal Bucks has extreme sites that convert!

05-22-2010, 07:05 PM	#118
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Let's count all the ignorant things gideongallery has said just in this one thread: 1. Showed he has ZERO knowledge of streaming technology 2. Showed once again he has ZERO knowledge of how affiliate programs work 3. Showed again that he has ZERO knowledge of surfer habits and trends 4. Showed that he has ZERO knowledge of what mainstream affiliate programs will or won't allow. 5. Showed that he still has delusions of grandeur and thinks he is smarter than everyone who actually is in this business...when in reality he is hands down the dumbest poster on GFY (and that's not easy to do) EDIT: Oh and I forgot about the fact that he also showed his skills using the "lawyer license" he got out of a box of cracker jacks __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com Last edited by Robbie; 05-22-2010 at 07:08 PM..

05-22-2010, 05:00 PM	#109
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	It does not matter what technology is used or where it's hosted. An infringement is still an infringement. If it happens out of physical reach, you do what laws enable you to do. If it's your neighbour, you punch him in the face. It's that simple....

05-22-2010, 07:17 PM	#119
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	gideongallery, get your ass back in here and argue some more! Fuck, I must be losing my touch __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 07:25 PM	#120
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	__________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 07:29 PM	#121
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Now where did gideongallery go? Probably working on that torrent recorder that was his last get rich quick scheme a few months ago. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 07:39 PM	#123
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	There you go again... I NEVER said anything about Wayne's World in the first place in that long ago thread. YOU DID. I said, hmmmm....how about taking that concept and tweaking it on the vids so it would allow someone surfing an illegit tube to at least know where that video came from because the illegit tube resized the vid so the watermark doesn't show. It was just one of a million things I think about and somehow you've latched onto that as some kind of "proof" in your delusional mind that YOU are a genius? I wasn't looking to try and upsell anything in my vids. I was just looking for any way to get a surfer to come to MY paysite from MY stolen vid because the thieves don't bother linking back to us in any way at all. Dude, it's really doesn't amount to anything. In fact, I haven't even done it yet. When I do it, it's just going to be ONE update. One scene that revolves around that funny idea. And yeah, it'll be campy and hopefully amusing just like Wayne's World was. The HUGE difference is this...I'll actually be filming and making something NEW. Whereas someone with your limited scope would simply steal actual Waynes World footage and try changing the words they are speaking and calling it a "parody" Now stop trying to change the subject: YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT ALL THE THINGS I POINTED OUT. Matter of fact...you are just completely lost in this business. That's why you are what you are and that's why you occupy your current station in life. As Bob Dylan once sang: "Can't you see, it's not my problem" Do yourself a favor. Go get a job. It's what you are destined for. You're a worker bee. Nothing more. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 07:55 PM	#124
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	ok gideongallery...come back here. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I didn't really mean that part about you being nothing more than a worker bee. Now give me a hug and wipe the tears out of your beady little eyes. We're still buddies! __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 07:57 PM	#126
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	gideon? Damn it... Okay, if anybody sees gideongallery would you please tell him to come back to the thread? Tell him I'm sorry and I didn't mean to say those harsh words to him. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-22-2010, 08:31 PM	#133
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Re way above... Self product placement... might as well just toss a stamp on the video, it would be more effective. Otherwise it better have a hell of a hook for it to catch anyone. Porn has product placement in it though, when you're a major studio/production company and you pay several people to sit around all day already, it's not a big deal to have them seek product placement as a side task. It's just one more thing you can do to help pay for content, it dang sure isn't buying you any new toys, cars or houses. When it comes to upsells, non-adult products bomb... landing pages, sandwich, whatever you want to try. Then the amount of time it takes to find a hot offer in mainstream that would do well in porn, you could have made 100x more just putting up killer porn sites instead either way. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 05-22-2010 at 08:32 PM..

05-22-2010, 09:45 PM	#147
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	gideongallery, before you can even argue with fair use, you first have to understand the concept of establishing fair use. If you are profiting from someone elses work without their consent, the profit factor will completely remove fair use. It doesn't matter where or who is hosting the file, if you profit from it you are guilty of infringement. Period. If you embed something from YouTube, wrap your ads around it, you make money off it. It doesn't matter if YouTube host it, the original uploader has consent or not. If you do not have consent, you are subject to infringement. You publish it on your website. If the source of what you embed, hotlink or whatever, is splitted into 1 million parts, your output will still be the same. Nothing change. As a matter of fact, reducing costs will eliminate the fair use argument even more. The more you profit, the less you can argue "non-profit". The host will also still have same obligations to comply with copyright laws. If they (as in P2P) only provide 1 byte of data, they still conspire. Just like in criminal cases, no one is excempt from conspiracy, unless they are not part of the international agreement.

05-22-2010, 09:53 PM	#148
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