Barefootsies

Well said sire.

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cwd

Just curious, but are any other border states intending to have laws like Arizona's?
California and New Mexico's borders are obviously smaller but Texas is huge.

heymatty

I'm a legal legal immigrant living in AZ. Go suns!

Game 5 if it's needed will be a sell out that's for sure.

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TheDoc

Texas has a tiny natural wall that slightly slows them down... other states will follow.



Border Patrol stops car loads all the time... all over the place.

The power the Police are getting, is MUCH more restricted... and the reason they're getting is because Border Patrol can't keep up even when it's the largest growing job force in Arizona.

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Nikki_Licks

Well, try and not give ID to any police officer and see what happens, I can assure you, you will get some sort of charge or face planted on the trunk of your car....that is what I was getting at.
I have been to many States and would not think of giving the police any reason to haul my ass in......they will always find something to get you on or just make your day miserable.
It's better to cooperate with them than to give them any reason to haul you in.

While it still may not be legal, they still do it ;)

That law is for a terry stop.

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justinsain

Someday it will be.

I live in Florida and I can't remember if this was only Fl or Nation wide but I heard more hispanic babies would be born this year than any other race. I heard there was a rush to make english the official language before someone made it spanish. I heard they wanted a FL license plate that said something about hispanics discovered or founded FL.

When you go to Home Depot the aisles are marked in both English and Spanish. I went to use the ATM the other day and to start the menu I had to choose between the english or spanish version. I went to 7-11 to get some doughnuts and that whole section was changed to spanish food. I understand that it's all done for business. My point is that hispanics have become so prevalent that businesses have had to adapt.

The hispanic culture favors a large family. They want several children. The dad wants a boy and will have 15 daughters and still have kids until he gets a son.

While a white family might settle for two children the hispanic family has six children that grow up and quickly start their own family with six kids and the numbers quickly add up overtaking any other race.

The vast number of the hispanic population gives them power to vote and they can elect who they want. As more hispanics come into power the face of America will change.

It's pretty much a done deal. The gates were left open and too little was done far to late.

react

All the more reason to give cops more power, eh?

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Nikki_Licks

No, but it is an understood law. Every time I have been stopped by a cop, even if it was in a parking lot, I was asked for ID. If you give cops a hard time in the States, especially since 9-11, your life will be miserable. Just my

I happen to like my freedom and let them play their games.

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dyna mo

we live in a society with rules.

pocketkangaroo

Basically your for the expansion of government on things you feel is right. That's fine, just don't call yourself small government.

And protection from what? Illegal immigrants produce crime at a much lower clip. They also aren't driving vans filled with explosives into Times Square. If this is about protection, there are a lot of countries that shouldn't be allowed to enter legal or not.

pocketkangaroo

Jerseys aren't about causes. They are about money. If making a uniform that had the nativity scene on it would bring in sales, they would make one.

TheDoc

No, I'm for protection of the people which is "exactly" what the Gov's Job is so no part of it could be an expansion.. it's entire job is this.

More illegals in jail/prison here for murder than citizens. You may want to check your fact sheets.

Protection is keeping farmers alive being murdered by illegals. It's stopping drug lords from coming onto our lands, raiding American homes. It's stopping them from attacking our Cops and Border Patrol. It's the largest number of home invasions ever in Tucson - years now, the kidnap capital Phoenix of the U.S. (only behind mexico city), so many drugs you can find cars broken down on the high way full of drugs.

That's just a .0001% of what is going on.

When you live here, you know it's not bullshit... that's why the citizens of the State support the bill.

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I'll gladly trade the Clippers for Suns anyday lol.

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TheDoc

Then don't make political statements around them and simply sell them. Don't have the owner stand up and make a statement on something he clearly didn't read.

If it was all about sales, they would have many styles, like the WWE.

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cwd

all this anger directed at the Suns...yet the Spurs wanted to wear their Los Spurs jerseys, they just couldn't get them to Phoenix in time. Or the NBA, who gave its approval to the Suns to wear the jerseys and even put out a statement disagreeing to the law. How about MLB who has voiced their concern with the law as roughly 30% of its players are hispanic.

xxweekxx

wanna know whats funny? i think this will lead to more profiling, and good luck to hispanics/etc

BUT shit tons of countries do this shit.. while i was living in panama, one night i went out to the clubs, forgot to carry my passport with me, and one the way back in a TAXI they stopped the taxi, id'ed everyone, and pulled me from the car and let everyone else go..

they knew i was american, yet, they were like if we dont see ur passport u r going to jail with us.. luckily my driver was working, i called him, he went to my house, got my passport, and brought it down.. the whole time i was sitting in the police pickup truck.lol

so this isnt such a big deal.. basically countries like panama require EVERYONE to have ID on them.. you could be walking, be a passenger, and a cop stops u, says show me your cedula(national id card), or passport, if u dont have one, enjoy jail for one night..

so america is lenient compared to a lot of other countries.. ive never ever been id'ed in usa only except when im driving, using my cc, or buying liquor.. never had a cop stop me on the road or in a taxi and ask for my id.

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NBA team is a private venture so they should be able to do whatever they want.
What is they wanted to sponsor tea party?

dyna mo

i guess the jerseys would read-

tea suns

pocketkangaroo

Like I said. It only counts as expansion if it's something you don't like.

Can you provide the statistics for this? Not saying you're wrong, but I've read that it's around the 10% area for felonies. Would be shocking to see it over 50%.

I'm not arguing the law. Your state, your rules. I just thought the whole thing was funny considering the rhetoric on that side of the aisle has been for the federal government to get smaller and leave everyone alone. I also distinctly remember a lot of talk about state rights from that side as well.

Reminds me a bit of the Governor of Texas talking about socialism and seceding from the Union. Then crying a week later that he wasn't getting flu vaccines fast enough from the federal government. The people on that side of the aisle don't want smaller government, just different government.

pocketkangaroo

It is a private company and can do what they want. If it hurts their business, then it hurts their business.

Does the free speech thing only extend to things you like? Sort of like expansion of government?

TheDoc

Let me give you a angle to look at with this law - and truly let me see if I can help you understand things more from my view point. Assume, an illegal was deported for a violent crime. Now truly a big % return, so let's say this one does. Now the Cop, see's this Illegal. He knows without asking for an ID that it's the same Illegal.

Under current law, the Cop can't do anything. Even though the person is breaking 2 federal laws, first being here again and being here as a criminal. He has to wait for him to break the law again, to arrest him.

Now, honestly can you say that is safe for society knowing this happens every single day?




The stats are who is in jail here now. It isn't going to show up on crime statistics but you probably can check the Local news stations here, that's how I hear it. One thing to keep in mind, border crimes are processed by border patrol, some are deported. Once this law goes through, we can process them through the State and see the real statistics for once. Also a big number of local unsolved crimes are contributed to Illegals, because most are along the border.

Moving on.. I will give my stance; The Gov has at least 500+ (i'm sure way more) things that are totally wasteful, border security and protecting American Citizens is not one of them - War is wasteful. But keeping our farmers alive, that's not wasting money.

I support State Rights, I voted Ron Paul - but I don't agree with everything he says. However I'm from Texas, the majority are a bunch of idiots in that State, that's one reason why I left. I agree with ya though... it's like everyone expecting this to be free.

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Correct, which is allowed to use our State Name and City, requires police for traffic control, security for terrorism through state services, is given franchise rights, business registration, huge tax breaks, and I'm sure the list goes on.

Yeah he has the media in front of him and he can open his mouth... but it doesn't mean he should. If he wanted the team to put on the jerseys and wished everyone a happy cinco de mayo, nobody would have said crap.

Free speech doesn't seem to extend to kids that have American flag shirts in School. You can't stand up and claim you're going to kill someone - even if your not. If you work for a Company, you can't go out and bash the Company or Boss Online and keep your job. Not all Books are allowed to be published. You know, if you really think about it - it's like Free Speech has limits.

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And the Phoenix Suns win again! Suns lead the Spurs 3 to 0!

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TheDoc

It's totally the jersey's... That's why the other team wanted them too.

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SBJ

they only wore the los suns jersey the last game so they won 2 out of 3 with their normal jersey's.. The Suns will go onto the next round and hopefully beat the Lakers

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TheDoc

Hehe, aye I know... and I hope they beat the Lakers too.

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xxweekxx

good game by suns bench.. i can see suns beating lakers.. . but i dont see suns beating cavs.. too much lebron..

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