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FATPad · 12-30-2002, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings

Welcome to the real world..

I bet you fall for all those great deals from mainstream with rebates.
the cell phone is only $99 after you send in your $100 rebate which most people don't.

In everything you purchase there is some deceptive marketing

you think all the fast food chains offer 99 cent deals not knowing your going to upgrade to a supersize for only 50 cents more your crazy.
I can go on and on
do you know what all those small charges are on your phonebill
I bet you pay them all not knowing you don't have to. Etc.

Do you ever buy DVD's from the warehouse or virgin in bold it says $19.95 in small print after you send in your rebate or buy two more movies etc.

Oh and AOL's free 1000 min. CDroms they send out to everyone

these are all forms of deceptive marketing to get you to use there products or there services

So are you saying your marketing is in fact deceptive?

Kimmykim · 12-30-2002, 04:38 PM

ROFL, now this thread is getting funny.

Let's see, Columbia House, AOL, Efax, Book of the Month Club, BowFlex, a ton of shareware companies, shall I continue?

These are all purveyors of deceptive advertising using this analogy...

The bottom line is pretty simple. It is a consumers duty to read the terms of an offer before they make a purchase. It is the sellers duty to put the terms somewhere that they can be easily accessed.

There is no law that says the terms have to be in 200 point type on the join page, though there is a Visa rule that says the amount of the charge, when it recurs, how often it recurs and for what amount have to be on the join page.

And if we are going to talk about TOS -- well let's talk about Microsoft, AOL, Adobe, and every major software manufacturer out there. They use scrolling boxes for their terms on install, LONG scrolling boxes as a matter of fact.

How many of you read those terms? That's what I thought. But you still check the box, saying you've read the terms don't you? Therefore YOU, as a consumer, have put yourself in a position of blame, no one else has.

Now before some people start screaming that I am supporting cheating and defrauding surfers and cutting the heads off live bats, I am not.

I am simply bringing up the point that seems to be so deliberately overlooked by certain people. The consumer is going to do what he wants, whether it's because he's got a hand on his dick and the other one on his credit card OR because he's too fucking lazy to read the terms of service. It's pretty much irrelevant.

Now sites that say one thing on their join page disclosure and something wildly different in their terms, that I do not like and it does alot of damage. But let's don't confuse every site with being one of those sites

Pornkings · 12-30-2002, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
So are you saying your marketing is in fact deceptive?

anyone can see what we do we have nothing to hide
I still don't know what you consider deceptive
because if you think what we do is considered deceptive your better off moving to some Island.

consumers have been brain washed and screwed over in many ways not from deceptive marketing but from the bumbarding of brands, People thinking they need to buy Nike or drink Coke
because these companies have billions to do it.

the news shows us what they want us to see and its not always the full facts. Is that deceptive or misleading?

the bottom line is I don't understand what some of you bitch about so I'm trying to learn from you

Pornkings · 12-30-2002, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
ROFL, now this thread is getting funny.

Let's see, Columbia House, AOL, Efax, Book of the Month Club, BowFlex, a ton of shareware companies, shall I continue?

These are all purveyors of deceptive advertising using this analogy...

The bottom line is pretty simple. It is a consumers duty to read the terms of an offer before they make a purchase. It is the sellers duty to put the terms somewhere that they can be easily accessed.

There is no law that says the terms have to be in 200 point type on the join page, though there is a Visa rule that says the amount of the charge, when it recurs, how often it recurs and for what amount have to be on the join page.

And if we are going to talk about TOS -- well let's talk about Microsoft, AOL, Adobe, and every major software manufacturer out there. They use scrolling boxes for their terms on install, LONG scrolling boxes as a matter of fact.

How many of you read those terms? That's what I thought. But you still check the box, saying you've read the terms don't you? Therefore YOU, as a consumer, have put yourself in a position of blame, no one else has.

Now before some people start screaming that I am supporting cheating and defrauding surfers and cutting the heads off live bats, I am not.

I am simply bringing up the point that seems to be so deliberately overlooked by certain people. The consumer is going to do what he wants, whether it's because he's got a hand on his dick and the other one on his credit card OR because he's too fucking lazy to read the terms of service. It's pretty much irrelevant.

Now sites that say one thing on their join page disclosure and something wildly different in their terms, that I do not like and it does alot of damage. But let's don't confuse every site with being one of those sites

Fuckin aah break it down

sinfulone · 12-30-2002, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

LOL this industry lives and dies by the payment processing, thinking anything else is just kidding yourself. It doesn't make a rats ass what you have if no one can pay you for it.

Are you going to be in Vegas?

Could this be love at first bite? I like you!

What you're saying is true.... but
consider for sec. that we don't live
and die by any set of rules. Since I'm
strangly attracted to your name
I'll give you our strategy in a nutshell.

Here's the industry right now -----------
there's no breathing room and that's
real bad, and it's going to get worse if
something isn't done.

Read this article, you may not agree
with all of it but it's worth your time.

http://www.sinamotion.com/sinamotion_large_005.htm

Our strategy: I have two.
The one we prefer is to partner with
one the honest sponsers and do this.

----sponser----
|

|
----the rest-----

Now we have a situation that is good.
It's called the chase and the reason
why it's a good thing is because it
puts the industry back into an active
state of innovation.

You studied economics... this industry
was born from innovation and the
last 5-6 year's it has been in the
second phase called imitation.

I'm seeing signs that tell me that the
imitation phase is maxed out which
if not corrected 2003 might be the year
the industry enters the third phase
which is FALLOUT.

---plan#2---
We'll create our own sponser program.
or we'll put the traffic senders in
business for free and they can pay us
back a % of their earnings. We have
access to 100's of hours of exclusive
content from around world including
our own.
------------------------------------------------

My partner and I are very nice people
and we're here to help and we have
the firepower and experience to do it.
It would be great if you old timer's
could find the energy again to roll up
your sleeves and help us out. I'm not
convinced there's enough time for us
to do it alone. But we will try if that
become's our only option.

[Vegas]
I'll be there for a day or so, my partner
will be there for a week. Is this an
invite to hang out naked in the hot tub
with you?

T.C.

Pornkings · 12-30-2002, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jennycards
As I said ... second month for the SAME content is $37 ... this is NOT a free site.
And: I think EVERY affiliate should "stick his nose" into the business he decides to promote.

Who said it was free lets have all the webmasters check it out
Its $1 for a month trial that we pay webmasters $25 on.and then it rebills at a full price so we pay you out up front and we don't make our money till month later
http://www.agedladies.com/defaultD.php?id=50097510

the best deal in town

sinfulone · 12-30-2002, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings

Sounds great I thought your comments were directed towards us
if we don't meet in LA we can meet in Vegas.
I tried to email you but it bounced back

Yesterday was a reaction day I
responded to a few messages. In your
case you just happen to be innocently
caught in the crossfire. I should of
done a little investigating first but I
guess I got a little trigger happy. The
purpose of my messages are to see
who runs and hides and who doesn't,
it works really well. I now have you
and KimmyKim seperated from the
pack. I also noticed that you didn't get
much support from the other sponsers
and that tells me a lot also.

If people take a moment and study
Pornkings program it's really easy
to come to two conclusions.

1 - His program is workable without
having to shave. The word "FREE"
is a powerful incentive for any
consumer.

2 - He's basically giving up out of his
own pocket instead of offering you
something that would be coming
out of your pocket by shaving.

Another thing to keep in mind is that
the programs that offer you a pie in
the sky put a lot of pressure on an
honest businessman. It always results
in them absorbing more loss for their
choice of operating honestly. If the
industry lose's it's sponser's like
Pornkings for lack of your support you
will be the biggest suckers that have
ever lived.

DearAbby · 12-30-2002, 07:08 PM

I like dialers

Wenchy · 12-30-2002, 07:09 PM

While I, in no way, condone "shady" business practices, I have an observation to make...

When was the last time any of you met anyone who actually read each and every word of gloppy legalese on a mortgage or loan contract (car, boat, student loan promissory note, etc.), rental agreement from Blockbuster or the local Rent-To-Own store, etc? How many people actually read through their cable, satellite, or phone bills and know and understand exactly what they're being charged for? How many people actually KNOW that if you get hit with a foul ball or broken bat at a baseball game, neither the team nor the stadium can be held liable (it's right there on your ticket, by the way)?

My point is simply this: A vast majority of consumers only want to know the bottom line... how much is my payment, when is it due, what goods/services do I receive for my money. Car manufacturers, for example, NEVER put the terms of the warranty in the original contract, but just try getting warranty service if you don't follow their rules (which may or may not be referrenced in the vehicle owner's manual)! How many homeowners suddenly receive a notice in the mail regarding a 10-year balloon payment of $12,500 and have to scramble like hell to pull the cash together or risk losing their house?

The problem as I see it is that Joe Consumer knows damned good and well the legal system and the courts will back him up if he screams "foul" loudly enough. Doesn't matter that he didn't use common sense or read the fine print... if he thinks he's been wronged by some evil business owner, he can take them to court or get Visa to give him six months' credit for a one-month membership. I fail to see why ANY business, mainstream, adult, or internet, should have to babysit its customers. The onus should be on the consumer to prove they read the fine print, not on the business to defend why they have it. Ignorance should never be a viable defense.

The bottom line is that, while we may not like it, there is very little that goes on in the adult industry that hasn't been being done by mainstream businesses for years. Sure, there are some adult companies (and I'm not singling anyone out here) which have made it a habit to push the envelope to the extreme and I certainly don't agree with that tactic at all, but I still believe it's just the same old dance step with a funky new twist.

drops · 12-30-2002, 07:17 PM

Or this sweet ass site.. http://www.orgyfucked.com for a buck.

Troels · 12-30-2002, 07:25 PM

Hey Pornking.

I'd like to compare memberareas... like I said in another thread I have yet to see one bigger than ours.

I admit I haven't been to CyberErotica's for years so they may very well have an enormous area.

I did go to a MaxCash one though - and it was very dissapointing.

Could be fun. Hit me on icq if you want: 44957551

If you indeed have a bigger one ;) I'll happily admit it in this thread.

Brad Mitchell · 12-30-2002, 07:28 PM

<cough>

...there are many 'sins'...

...but there is only one sinempire... just so we're clear

Brad

sinfulone · 12-30-2002, 07:34 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimmykim
[B]oh sinfulone, did you actually read any of these? or did you just decide to post what appears to be a larger list than it really is?

---------------------------------------------

Are you kidding I didn't get to bed until
5am as it was I would of been up all
day reading that stuff. I just did a
search for adult entertainment and I
knew that I could trust you to tell me
what you found. I believe you.

But wouldn't you agree that having
your name come up at the ftc,
regardless wether you're fined or not
leans toward the fact that you're
operating in way that's causing this
industry a lot of attention it doesn't
need.

:D

goBigtime · 12-30-2002, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
... you guys should run your own program, and sit next to every surfer that signs up "oh carefull henry, this is a crossbill, you better don´t tick that ..." ... and .. "oh sir, please remember to cancle, or you will get rebilled" ...

Cross selling and rebilling of people who are too lazy to cancel wasn't the issue -- outright FRAUD was. You were cheering support for webmasters that essentially have no members area.
Lets stay focused and stick to the subject eh ;)

See, shit like that isn't good for the industry, and like someone else said during all the VISA stuff - if we don't police the industry ourselves to some degree, someone will police it for us. (IE, VISA, the feds, or the consumers themselves).

I'm actually very surprised you have the stance you do. AFAIK Marks Bookmarks is/was a pretty big site... you're no newbie thats for sure.

Has anyone ever seen the insite of one of FM's members areas? They have like *everything* available leased-content wise & why not.. I remember one time reading (in AVN maybe?) about their something like over 250,000 members.

I'm pretty sure you don't build up a membership base that way by scamming people. Not to mention (again) that our industry is under fucking attack.

Hmm but then maybe this is one of those DVD player threads set out to rile everyone up

goBigtime · 12-30-2002, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wenchy
The bottom line is that, while we may not like it, there is very little that goes on in the adult industry that hasn't been being done by mainstream businesses for years. Sure, there are some adult companies (and I'm not singling anyone out here) which have made it a habit to push the envelope to the extreme and I certainly don't agree with that tactic at all, but I still believe it's just the same old dance step with a funky new twist.

The bottom line is this -- we are not in an industry pushing mortages, used cars, or even government approved (

)killers like alcohol and tobacco.

Noooo, we are in a far worse industry, the scum of the earth (to the bush administration), we are the the biggest contributers to the demoralization of the nation and the world (to the bush administration), and every poorly thought out step we take is going to be looked at and dealt with like no other inudstry (by the.. err

.. you know)

Keep in mind, Ashhahahahaha went as far as to have a statue covered up because he felt they were obscene or pornographic or some shit - probably at a cost of like $8000 to tax payers

The bottom line is: THEY DO NOT LIKE US. And as they are proving throughout the world, this isn't an Administration that just sits hand's tied by little old things like constitutional laws. If they want to get you.. you better fucking run and hide in the side of a mountain or something.

drops · 12-30-2002, 08:45 PM

we pushed billions of dollars into the economy.. they say that they dont like us to make the activist happy..

just like anyone in his right mind in this business.. its all about the CASH MONEY..

Money Talks.. Bull Shit walks..

mpegposter · 12-30-2002, 09:13 PM

In that I hope the targets of this thread can find their way to the door.

Pornkings · 12-30-2002, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

Cross selling and rebilling of people who are too lazy to cancel wasn't the issue -- outright FRAUD was. You were cheering support for webmasters that essentially have no members area.
Lets stay focused and stick to the subject eh ;)

See, shit like that isn't good for the industry, and like someone else said during all the VISA stuff - if we don't police the industry ourselves to some degree, someone will police it for us. (IE, VISA, the feds, or the consumers themselves).

I'm actually very surprised you have the stance you do. AFAIK Marks Bookmarks is/was a pretty big site... you're no newbie thats for sure.

Has anyone ever seen the insite of one of FM's members areas? They have like *everything* available leased-content wise & why not.. I remember one time reading (in AVN maybe?) about their something like over 250,000 members.

I'm pretty sure you don't build up a membership base that way by scamming people. Not to mention (again) that our industry is under fucking attack.

Hmm but then maybe this is one of those DVD player threads set out to rile everyone up

You need to get your facts straight have you seen our members area or are you just talking members area'a in general? becasue this thread was targeted towards us.
Jenny cards got our 404 members section not our full members section.
we have alot of content we have built up over the years we even removed alot and update all the time

Pornkings · 12-30-2002, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drops
Or this sweet ass site.. http://www.orgyfucked.com for a buck.

Great Promo

I need to bump you up on our exits

kaylacam · 12-31-2002, 10:25 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Whine whine whine...you do not like a sponsor/affiliate program, don't use them; can't prove it, don't slander them.

Gee...takes a CAM GIRL to make it simple?!

drops · 12-31-2002, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings

Great Promo I need to bump you up on our exits

Ya. Can we do this?. We're about 2 or 3 days behind =)

I like that #1 spot, please .

Que? · 12-31-2002, 01:42 PM

Quote:

I'm starting to think that the reason many of you are in this business is because you simply lack the intelligence to make it in the real world.

No they here cuz the web is the perfect forum for a scamartist.
A virtual heaven for decieving, tricking, lying, stealing and so on and so forth.

To be readily exploited by those with little or no conscience and regards for fellow man. And which is likely to continue until uncle Sam takes them by the ear .

Some of you should read up on the term rationalizing

Ps. And yeah, making millions on quality and honesty is as always alot harder, and beyond most WM's ability. Stealing, cheating and lying however is something learned in infancy.

p1mpdogg · 12-31-2002, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Que?

No they here cuz the web is the perfect forum for a scamartist.
A virtual heaven for decieving, tricking, lying, stealing and so on and so forth.

To be readily exploited by those with little or no conscience and regards for fellow man. And which is likely to continue until uncle Sam takes them by the ear .

Some of you should read up on the term rationalizing

then wtf are you doing here?

jammyjenkins · 12-31-2002, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drops

Ya. Can we do this?. We're about 2 or 3 days behind =)

I like that #1 spot, please .

you fucking scam artist

explain these terms:

Special Offer To New Members!!!
Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to Really Amateur - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.
Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to Orgy Fucked - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

(Please be patient after submitting the form.. this might take up to 2 minutes)

Your trial membership for Orgy Fucked - One Month Trial Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $1.00 for 30 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $39.95 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

and the two cross sells are black text on dark brown background so you can't even read them

you are a fucking scammer!!!

Kimmykim · 12-31-2002, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sinfulone
Could this be love at first bite? I like you!

What you're saying is true.... but
consider for sec. that we don't live
and die by any set of rules.

LOL love is a strong word for someone that's just started posting here, give it a week or two ;)

So I read your article. It's not bad, but there are a couple flaws in it - the first one being that you overestimate the importance of content, and the second being that you underestimate the surfer (yes, I know that is hard to do but it is possible) --

everyone producing content would love to think that content is the be all, end all of the industry. It's not. I am not discounting its importance by any means, but the bottom line is that content doesn't influence the guy who's a habitual cancel on trial kind of surfer. While it may entice him to join again and cancel yet another trial, it does not make him stay. After all, why should he? If he's got a fast connection he can download what he wants -- then come back in a month, two weeks, whatever your minimum time to let him trial again is and repeat the cycle.

Once a surfer figures out that he can cancel on trial and still get his rocks off enough to make him happy, he will NOT buy a monthly membership to the typical paysite, and I don't blame him. As a matter of fact if you updated every day I still don't think it would sway surfers to recur... sites that don't have trials usually recur better than those with trials, but even if they don't a significant amount more money is made from charging 29 bucks up front than charging three bucks and trying to turn it into 39.

In any business you calculate the best return on your investment -- that would be how to get the most money out of it in a specified period of time.

And yes, I agree that this business has some bad guys, but it's not unique to this industry either.

jimmyD · 12-31-2002, 04:52 PM

You guys think sinfulone has a lot to say here? You should try spending live, quality time with him.

And it's even worse when he's mostly right. Of course, most of you have already seen that.

jimmyD

http://www.simplyjimmyd.com
HOME OF THE NEWLY BORN JIZZ BIZZ MESSAGE BOARD THAT WILL SOON UNDERGO CYBER-METAMORPHISIS

http://www.sinamotion.com
HOME OF THE BRAVE

Pornkings · 12-31-2002, 05:32 PM

I luv when people post who don't have sig's!
except for a few who are well known.

You guys gonna hammer on sponsors and paysites
start with all the free shit out there and everything else wrong in the world. Just don't burn the hand that feeds ya.

I'm over this thread some of you just don't get it.
But most of you do.

Have A Happy New year. See ya in Vegas

Pornkings.com make money and feel good about it.

Pornkings · 12-31-2002, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

you fucking scam artist

explain these terms:

(Simple these are cross sales as you can see and read it in plain day how else did you cut and paste it.)

Special Offer To New Members!!!
Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to Really Amateur - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.
Click here to signup for a 1 day trial Membership to Orgy Fucked - One Day Trial Membership for $1.00. After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

(Please be patient after submitting the form.. this might take up to 2 minutes)

(this is the site you join for a one month trial Your price is $1.00 for 30 days.)

Your trial membership for Orgy Fucked - One Month Trial Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $1.00 for 30 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $39.95 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

and the two cross sells are black text on dark brown background so you can't even read them

you are a fucking scammer!!!

These are not our sites but I would say 90% of the sponsors have cross sales including us.
If a sufer wants they can uncheck or check the box if they choose to get the other sites in the cross sale.

If they have a credit card, I'm sure they can read if they don't notice the cross sale boxes then they are blind
you noticed it..

Peace out and Happy New Year

jammyjenkins · 12-31-2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings

These are not our sites but I would say 90% of the sponsors have cross sales including us.
If a sufer wants they can uncheck or check the box if they choose to get the other sites in the cross sale.

If they have a credit card, I'm sure they can read if they don't notice the cross sale boxes then they are blind
you noticed it..

Peace out and Happy New Year

try using your eyes, the post wasn't directed at you

there's cross-sells, and there's outright deception. read his terms again. check out his order page

you can't read the fucking cross sell text. and you're signing up to the same site TWICE. One month for $1 then recurring. And 1 DAY for $1 then recurring. And then another site for $1 for one day then recurring.

drops is a scammer and a retard

goBigtime · 12-31-2002, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornkings

You need to get your facts straight have you seen our members area or are you just talking members area'a in general? becasue this thread was targeted towards us.
Jenny cards got our 404 members section not our full members section.
we have alot of content we have built up over the years we even removed alot and update all the time

My posts are regarding fraud in our industry. The thread may have started in regards to your dollar-site members areas, but it's sort of spun into a more generalized discussion at this point

.

But for anyone reading, if the shoe fits wear it.
And most scammers that I know of and talk to wear it proudly

I guess what it boils down to is in the end it's going to be the consumers that determine if they have been scammed out of their money or not by complaining to their banks or the processor. And (eventually) the new CC regulations, tracking, reporting & analysis of chargebacks and credits (lets not forget those credits that have been saving us for years) will weed people out of the industry.

Just something for people to keep in mind.

Pornkings · 12-31-2002, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jammyjenkins

try using your eyes, the post wasn't directed at you

there's cross-sells, and there's outright deception. read his terms again. check out his order page

you can't read the fucking cross sell text. and you're signing up to the same site TWICE. One month for $1 then recurring. And 1 DAY for $1 then recurring. And then another site for $1 for one day then recurring.

drops is a scammer and a retard

Well this thread was started in slamming us with wrong information
and people only read the first and last page. so they will automaticly think we are scammers

and i checked out orgyfucked and reallyamateur and I can see the crosssell text just fine
the click here for access button is below the crosssell info so how can they miss it?
Its not even in fine print so whats the problem?
I can see that its black on gray but its not that difficult to read
thats just my opinion everyone has there own.

12-30-2002, 07:09 PM	#159
Wenchy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mile High City Posts: 231	While I, in no way, condone "shady" business practices, I have an observation to make... When was the last time any of you met anyone who actually read each and every word of gloppy legalese on a mortgage or loan contract (car, boat, student loan promissory note, etc.), rental agreement from Blockbuster or the local Rent-To-Own store, etc? How many people actually read through their cable, satellite, or phone bills and know and understand exactly what they're being charged for? How many people actually KNOW that if you get hit with a foul ball or broken bat at a baseball game, neither the team nor the stadium can be held liable (it's right there on your ticket, by the way)? My point is simply this: A vast majority of consumers only want to know the bottom line... how much is my payment, when is it due, what goods/services do I receive for my money. Car manufacturers, for example, NEVER put the terms of the warranty in the original contract, but just try getting warranty service if you don't follow their rules (which may or may not be referrenced in the vehicle owner's manual)! How many homeowners suddenly receive a notice in the mail regarding a 10-year balloon payment of $12,500 and have to scramble like hell to pull the cash together or risk losing their house? The problem as I see it is that Joe Consumer knows damned good and well the legal system and the courts will back him up if he screams "foul" loudly enough. Doesn't matter that he didn't use common sense or read the fine print... if he thinks he's been wronged by some evil business owner, he can take them to court or get Visa to give him six months' credit for a one-month membership. I fail to see why ANY business, mainstream, adult, or internet, should have to babysit its customers. The onus should be on the consumer to prove they read the fine print, not on the business to defend why they have it. Ignorance should never be a viable defense. The bottom line is that, while we may not like it, there is very little that goes on in the adult industry that hasn't been being done by mainstream businesses for years. Sure, there are some adult companies (and I'm not singling anyone out here) which have made it a habit to push the envelope to the extreme and I certainly don't agree with that tactic at all, but I still believe it's just the same old dance step with a funky new twist. __________________ <br><a href="http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=920346-0000&PA=581865&HTML=http://www.1000facials.com/webmasters/" target="_blank"><b>Looking for Amateur Reality Sites?<br><img src="http://banner.1000facials.com/1000facials_120x60_01.gif"><br>One Man... One Camera... One Mission<br></b></a>

12-30-2002, 07:17 PM	#160
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12-30-2002, 07:28 PM	#162
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12-30-2002, 08:45 PM	#166
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12-30-2002, 09:13 PM	#167
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12-30-2002, 04:38 PM	#152
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	ROFL, now this thread is getting funny. Let's see, Columbia House, AOL, Efax, Book of the Month Club, BowFlex, a ton of shareware companies, shall I continue? These are all purveyors of deceptive advertising using this analogy... The bottom line is pretty simple. It is a consumers duty to read the terms of an offer before they make a purchase. It is the sellers duty to put the terms somewhere that they can be easily accessed. There is no law that says the terms have to be in 200 point type on the join page, though there is a Visa rule that says the amount of the charge, when it recurs, how often it recurs and for what amount have to be on the join page. And if we are going to talk about TOS -- well let's talk about Microsoft, AOL, Adobe, and every major software manufacturer out there. They use scrolling boxes for their terms on install, LONG scrolling boxes as a matter of fact. How many of you read those terms? That's what I thought. But you still check the box, saying you've read the terms don't you? Therefore YOU, as a consumer, have put yourself in a position of blame, no one else has. Now before some people start screaming that I am supporting cheating and defrauding surfers and cutting the heads off live bats, I am not. I am simply bringing up the point that seems to be so deliberately overlooked by certain people. The consumer is going to do what he wants, whether it's because he's got a hand on his dick and the other one on his credit card OR because he's too fucking lazy to read the terms of service. It's pretty much irrelevant. Now sites that say one thing on their join page disclosure and something wildly different in their terms, that I do not like and it does alot of damage. But let's don't confuse every site with being one of those sites

12-30-2002, 07:08 PM	#158
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12-30-2002, 07:25 PM	#161
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Hey Pornking. I'd like to compare memberareas... like I said in another thread I have yet to see one bigger than ours. I admit I haven't been to CyberErotica's for years so they may very well have an enormous area. I did go to a MaxCash one though - and it was very dissapointing. Could be fun. Hit me on icq if you want: 44957551 If you indeed have a bigger one ;) I'll happily admit it in this thread.

12-30-2002, 07:34 PM	#163
sinfulone So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 46	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimmykim [B]oh sinfulone, did you actually read any of these? or did you just decide to post what appears to be a larger list than it really is? --------------------------------------------- Are you kidding I didn't get to bed until 5am as it was I would of been up all day reading that stuff. I just did a search for adult entertainment and I knew that I could trust you to tell me what you found. I believe you. But wouldn't you agree that having your name come up at the ftc, regardless wether you're fined or not leans toward the fact that you're operating in way that's causing this industry a lot of attention it doesn't need. :D

12-31-2002, 10:25 AM	#170
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12-31-2002, 04:52 PM	#176
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12-31-2002, 05:32 PM	#177
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	I luv when people post who don't have sig's! except for a few who are well known. You guys gonna hammer on sponsors and paysites start with all the free shit out there and everything else wrong in the world. Just don't burn the hand that feeds ya. I'm over this thread some of you just don't get it. But most of you do. Have A Happy New year. See ya in Vegas Pornkings.com make money and feel good about it. __________________ Pornkings.com Last edited by Pornkings; 12-31-2002 at 05:41 PM..