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nocostporn · 12-29-2002, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Nah, this is the year those two pull out entirely

doubt it,They will roll out tiers and tiers of regulations until it seems impossible they cant control us scummy fucks lol... I give that 3-4 years... I do agree with the cutting of rebilling

Spoonie Luv · 12-29-2002, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
Well said, I've seen some large 2 big companies go busted, Main stream one's for the same kind of shit some of these porn sites are doing. And you know what, still 2 this day most don't have a clue why they went busted and I'm talking about some companies that were in business for over a 100 fucking years.

Arthur Anderson?

p1mpdogg · 12-29-2002, 11:43 AM

shit... i have password protection!

let me think on this for a sec...

mpegposter · 12-29-2002, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
shit... i have password protection!

let me think on this for a sec...

Hope you have someone else to handle your members area design for you.

I got that from clicking a link in your members area, genius.

Sad day when the lowly 'tgp posters' have to tell a 'program owner' how to correctly assemble a paysite.

Kimmykim · 12-29-2002, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

doubt it,They will roll out tiers and tiers of regulations until it seems impossible they cant control us scummy fucks lol... I give that 3-4 years... I do agree with the cutting of rebilling

Keep banking on that.

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by jennycards
I just joined PornKing's Porn4aBuck program and decided to have a look at their member's page before starting promotion. Here is what I got for spending $1 at http://www.agedladies.com

- part of their "Top 5 Features" is teen content (instead of mature)
- part of their "Top 5 Features" would show "Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource" error message
- most of the other content on that site is all but mature
- many more error messages like "We are sorry, but we cannot authorize you to enter Flirt4Free" or "Access Denied"
- never-ending pop-ups (on a member's site!!! )
- Last update on their "XXX Pix" page: May 29, 2002

By the way: The second month would cost me $37 ... so I assume I could expect some decent content for my money.

Are you this much of an idiot.

we feature the mature content then we have all our other content in the members section for when they get tired of mature most surfers are just curious when they join so we give them everything.
And its a $1 trial for a month then turns into a full memebership
Never ending pop ups in members are you crazy.

any webmaster who wants to see our members section is welcome we have more content then most. just shoot me an email and check it out for free I'm not worried.

my first reply I will continue to read

Probono · 12-29-2002, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Nah, this is the year those two pull out entirely, not because of stuff like Rogers but because the real culprits just won't be shut down.

While I think Roger should pay more attention to his members areas if this is indeed the case, I also think people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. And I also think the 'overly righteous' should realize they aren't.

Although the thread started with Roger, I did not refer to him. I have no idea nor specific interest in his sites. My comment was a generic commentary on the industry and a prediction for 2003. You might also be correct, if you are it is time for all of us to seek new vocations.

I do believe you can find a sweet spot that provides adult content to adults who will believe enough in the value that a significant percentage will renew without autorenewals. To do that you need quality not necessarily quantity and good customer support. Sounds like real business and it is.

As to the future with the charge card companies your crystal ball is as good as mine meaning neither of us know for sure but either scenario is possible.

Incidently did you ever make the move back to AZ?

p1mpdogg · 12-29-2002, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by mpegposter

Hope you have someone else to handle your members area design for you.

I got that from clicking a link in your members area, genius.

Sad day when the lowly 'tgp posters' have to tell a 'program owner' how to correctly assemble a paysite.

wow.. you are an asshole.. you are going to talk shit just cause one link isnt working? Is it possible that I am only human, and have 12 sites to manage?
idiot.

SABAI · 12-29-2002, 11:53 AM

what kind of member's area is this?
only leased feeds and upsells....

if as a surfer i ever joined i would certainly charge back....

leased content is supposed to be a bonus not the whole content of a site in my opinion

nocostporn · 12-29-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Keep banking on that.

so what to turn to? checking as the only primary billing? Something new on the horizon you're aware of?

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by jennycards
As I said ... second month for the SAME content is $37 ... this is NOT a free site.
And: I think EVERY affiliate should "stick his nose" into the business he decides to promote.

xxxpix is not our members section but a 404 error page for hacks

and our sites are not free its a $1 trial for a month that rebills at a full price after a month

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by charly
101% agreed.

If they will rip off their customers what do you think they will do to their affiliates. More people should DEMAND a password into a site before they send traffic to it.

I would because if I ran a paysite. It would be genuine and I would have nothing to hide.

No problem I will show any webmaster our members sections
we don't rip our customers off or any webmasters
infact we give them a month trial for a $1 what more do you want.

we have enough content inside to keep them busy for months daily. and our chargebacks and credits are under 1%

we have been doing paysites for 7 years I think we understand what we are doing.

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 12:06 PM

"You don't have permission to access /members/videos/ on this server. "

... it´s the only error there is, nice membersection, pretty much like ours ...

" I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something..

I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined...

You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program.

Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site. Are you a customer service spokesman or a business man/girl? Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today. "

... fucking hell, 800 posts of pure crap and bullshit and out of a suddend this guy starts making sense ... never make your judgements too fast, me enjoyed that post !!

p1mpdogg · 12-29-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by funkmaster
"You don't have permission to access /members/videos/ on this server. "

... it´s the only error there is, nice membersection, pretty much like ours ...

" I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something..

I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined...

You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program.

Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site. Are you a customer service spokesman or a business man/girl? Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today. "

... fucking hell, 800 posts of pure crap and bullshit and out of a suddend this guy starts making sense ... never make your judgements too fast, me enjoyed that post !!

lol all my posts have been crap? come on man!

I have had atleast 5 good posts in my career as p1mpdogg

MagicksAntics · 12-29-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by jennycards
But it IS my problem if they are charging $37 for poor content and screwing my customers. Or am I the only one in this industry caring about CRM??

I was under the impression that once the surfer purchases a membership to the SPONSOR'S site that they are the SPONSOR'S customer. The sponsor is responsible for surfer support, content, billing, and any other problems that may arise. You are not...thus the surfer is their customer, not yours.

However, the surfer IS yours up until you send him somewhere else. If you do not agree with a sponsor runs his or her program, then it is your responsibility to not send your surfer there.

You don't like it, then don't send your traffic there, simple as that. If you can't find a sponsor that you do like, then you can go get a domain, find reliable hosting, pay for the site and banner design, buy the content, set up the billing, build the member's areas, build the exit structure, answer all complaints from your customers, update the member's areas, deal with spam complaints from your affiliates spamming your site, deal with fraud, absorb your own chargebacks, pay for your hosting, pay for your bandwidth, deal with uunet, track your upsells, promote it, pay your graphics designers, programmers, PR and marketing people, oh, and I almost forgot: Try to make a profit.

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by funkmaster
... take from pornkings site:

- For each dollar trial join, we pay you $25.
- Initiate 25-49 joins, get an extra $100.
Over 50, get a bonus of $250!
- No deductions (*they may sign up for a trial and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs),
- Easy stats and payments made twice a month

... so what´s the problem, it does not say you will get payed on recurings, and I guess it´s their damn right to reccure at 37$ when paying out $25 to affiliates, well if they don´t reccure their members ... it ain´t your problem.

... and to add, it´s nothing new that most membersections are more than just poor. I am not talking about pornkings here (the errors you got look more like a database fuckup than a ripp off to me). damn it, when I started back in 97´I used to send thraffic to sites that didn´t even have a membersection and nobody cares, does the name xpics ring a bell ??

... I would agree with you if you were going to send your traffic to a reccuring partnership program, that´s a complete different story ...

exactly funkmaster

Infact I'm proud of our members section how do you think I can give them a $1 trial for a month 45% rebill after the month.

infact this is just one of the ezines in our members section 5% of the content we have in our members section

we are going to start updating this ezine again and we are giving this to our webmasters for free
http://www.strokemag.com/members/
the first 5 links in nav bar are upsells the issue's have a ton of content we updated it for 2 years and stopped a while back
this only refeclts 5% of the content inside

if someone wants to see the members section no prob but we pay you on trial no active or revshare

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 12:13 PM

... well, it reads 802 under your nick ... that still leaves you with 2 decent posts ... maybe "800 posts of crap&bullshit" was a bad call ... make that 780 ... hahaha ...

Fletch XXX · 12-29-2002, 12:18 PM

Hey Roger, where did you get all the horoscopes?

I am looking for something like that.

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

Obviously you dont, but some people care about where they send their surfers...You should think about it from a surfer standpoint and maybe you might be a better webmaster and like the title says,yes that kinda shit hurts the industry...If you have to rely on terms of service loopholes and small print to make your money,you DON'T belong

Have you seen our members section they get there money's worth.

plus most surfers will cancel no matter what. we have had members sections with every single piece of content and some with barely any and it didn't matter

plus we have had exclusive amateurs with them chatting and it didn't retain more.

the only company that I know of that has more content then us is FM's sites he buys everyone's content.

mpegposter · 12-29-2002, 12:21 PM

If you honestly think chargebacks/refunds/ratios aren't tracked by account on a PPS you can continue to send hits to sites that offer nothing in the way of content (or all plugin content that is listed on millions of other sites) you are out of your mind. Pimpdogg's site is a good example of that, except he removed the pw access after I pointed out the errors. Should really clean your own house before you try to show it off.

Sending good surfers to sites that suck will result in refunds/chargebacks. They will be passed along to you in the form of account termination, shaving sales to make up for refunds, etc. I don't see anyone who runs a program with exclusive content sticking up for PornKings. If you want to cut costs and go with common plugins, broken links, and tons of upsells, be our guest. But don't expect to be praised for the quality of your sites.

Kimmykim · 12-29-2002, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

so what to turn to? checking as the only primary billing? Something new on the horizon you're aware of?

The truly forward looking site owners have been diversifying their billing processes for the past year, credit cards are not the be all, end all of the business model you know.

Before there were cc's online, there was porn online, and after the cc's are gone, the porn won't be. That much I will promise you.

probono, I'm back in Phoenix, have been for a couple weeks, where are you again?

As for the gripes about Rogers site -- let's all contemplate this point.

At least Rog is smart enough to put as much content into his sites as possible. It is FAR WORSE, MUCH WORSE, for a surfer to buy a membership and find out a site has 2000 pics and 10 videos and this is what he's being billed 30 bucks a month for, than to have a site with additional content that's not identical to what the tour promised, provided there is adequate content to satisfy the tour claims.

Surfers are a curious lot, if they weren't then why in the hell would guys taking a straight tour click on a gay link off the exit console????

Darin · 12-29-2002, 12:25 PM

I keep forgetting to push Rogers programs. This thread reminded me, THANKS!

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

won't be going that far but I'll be unvieling a program soon,was supposed to be the first of the year but I really slacked off lol ... $25/month no trial,no crossbilling no upsells,$25 PPS or 60/40 revshare to the webmaster...absolutley no bullshit will be implented in my program,in the end its just going to end up being a hassle so I'm going to make it as simple and clean as possible...I've noticed there are A LOT of people on the come up that are succeeding using the simple and clean approach...

if I fail,bring this thread back up and laugh at me... but I doubt it

Trust me I will

I'll be the first to test it out. and post how it converts.

surfers have plenty of time to cancel if they are unhappy they have a month damn.

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by RottenPug
I would really like to see what pornkings has to say in regards to this. I mean every time a sponsor is brought up they are the first to say use our program (not a dig just the truth).

And I will say it again use our Program. LOL
Best conversions on the net.

I had someone wake me up for this.

Any webmaster talking shit right now I would be more than happy to have a contest on our members sections with. lets see who can talk the talk. I'm not worried

the battle of the members sections who's on?

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

so what to turn to? checking as the only primary billing? Something new on the horizon you're aware of?

thats for us to know and you to find out.

Probono · 12-29-2002, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

probono, I'm back in Phoenix, have been for a couple weeks, where are you again?

In Tucson. I would enjoy buying you lunch and learning a bit about your perspective on the future. We have been at this in our own quiet way for seven years and still have a great deal to learn.

Drop me a note with your email at lee at dreamnet.com

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by MagicksAntics

I was under the impression that once the surfer purchases a membership to the SPONSOR'S site that they are the SPONSOR'S customer. The sponsor is responsible for surfer support, content, billing, and any other problems that may arise. You are not...thus the surfer is their customer, not yours.

However, the surfer IS yours up until you send him somewhere else. If you do not agree with a sponsor runs his or her program, then it is your responsibility to not send your surfer there.

You don't like it, then don't send your traffic there, simple as that. If you can't find a sponsor that you do like, then you can go get a domain, find reliable hosting, pay for the site and banner design, buy the content, set up the billing, build the member's areas, build the exit structure, answer all complaints from your customers, update the member's areas, deal with spam complaints from your affiliates spamming your site, deal with fraud, absorb your own chargebacks, pay for your hosting, pay for your bandwidth, deal with uunet, track your upsells, promote it, pay your graphics designers, programmers, PR and marketing people, oh, and I almost forgot: Try to make a profit.

Right on

Kimmykim · 12-29-2002, 12:50 PM

probono, you've got mail

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Hey Roger, where did you get all the horoscopes?

I am looking for something like that.

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php

Fletch sign up and I'll give you stroke mag for free.
its not the greatest but it has a lot of content that will help your retention stroke mag goes deep and we are going to start updating it again in 2003.remember stokemag is only 5% of our content inside our members section

I will find out where we got the horoscopes on monday for you.
hit me up on ICQ to remind me 161759738

49thParallel · 12-29-2002, 01:02 PM

Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share.

The rest of my traffic I actually do send to History Killer / Popup Killer sites.

My own small site that I tried was also a no b.s. $9.95 a month site. And my ad was a complete and accurate screen shot of the members area. But, I can make more using Danni's sites..so why bother.

So go ahead...start digging for dirt...

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel
Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share.

The rest of my traffic I actually do send to History Killer / Popup Killer sites.

My own small site that I tried was also a no b.s. $9.95 a month site. And my ad was a complete and accurate screen shot of the members area. But, I can make more using Danni's sites..so why bother.

So go ahead...start digging for dirt...

you send to dannicash or use there members section I don't get it?

whats your retention on $9.95 a month and who do you process with?
I have a small site as well megaporn.com which is $6.95 a month no BS.

lets put both our members sections up and see what the webmasters prefer your 9.95 0r our $6.95
this way we can put all this to rest just a little competetion are you up for it?

Fletch XXX · 12-29-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings

Fletch sign up and I'll give you stroke mag for free.
its not the greatest but it has a lot of content that will help your retention stroke mag goes deep and we are going to start updating it again in 2003.remember stokemag is only 5% of our content inside our members section

I will find out where we got the horoscopes on monday for you.
hit me up on ICQ to remind me 161759738

No.

Nothing is free.

I was just looking for the content place or wherever man.

I rather set up my own email script and do my own ezine. I have more content than I need right now, I have toonist friends, writer friends I dont need to give my traffic away man.

;)

Mark · 12-29-2002, 01:56 PM

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pay your graphics designers, programmers, PR and marketing people..

Uh oh.. shit, I knew I forgot to do something this month..

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
Jennycards-

I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something..

I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined...

That's possible ... I behaved just like an ordinary surfer .... those usually don't care where the pop-up was coming from.

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You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program.

I never complained about their behaviour towards webmasters but towards their customers.

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Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site.

Legally spoken you are right. But with every banner ad I am kind of recommending something so I am somewhat responsible too.

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Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today.

[/B]

Sad enough.

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 02:13 PM

"Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share. "

... what the hell is questionable about the t&t´s ... it says 24h ... that´s onethousandandfourty minutes of time to cancle ...

how about a url of your sites big boy ??

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
Are you this much of an idiot.

You are welcome.

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Never ending pop ups in members are you crazy.

Maybe just as crazy as an average customer of yours.

Pornking, I would really appreciate discussing this in a business-like manner and omitting any personal offences.

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
xxxpix is not our members section but a 404 error page for hacks

It's a link from your member' area ... very much on the top ... and what the heck are those "hacks"you are talking about??

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and our sites are not free its a $1 trial for a month that rebills at a full price after a month

Just what I said.

49thParallel · 12-29-2002, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings

you send to dannicash or use there members section I don't get it?

whats your retention on $9.95 a month and who do you process with?
I have a small site as well megaporn.com which is $6.95 a month no BS.

lets put both our members sections up and see what the webmasters prefer your 9.95 0r our $6.95
this way we can put all this to rest just a little competetion are you up for it?

I send my traffic to dannicash. My own website is something I play with now and then. It's 100% holio feeds... But the dannicash sites are my bread and butter. And the popup killer /history killer software is also a nice suppliment.

And retention....I don't do rebills...I actually send out an email saying "your membership is about to expire - do you want to renew". They have to renew, it is not automatic. Some do, some don't.

But, anyhow, my whole purpose of posting on threads like this is because the business tactics of many of the webmasters (a polite way of saying thiefs) is disgusting. And I don't do anything "for what the webmasters prefer" nor do I care what you do, unless it's scamming. My business is for the customers..and I treat them like gold.

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by MagicksAntics
You don't like it, then don't send your traffic there, simple as that. If you can't find a sponsor that you do like, then you can go get a domain, find reliable hosting, pay for the site and banner design, buy the content, set up the billing, build the member's areas, build the exit structure, answer all complaints from your customers, update the member's areas, deal with spam complaints from your affiliates spamming your site, deal with fraud, absorb your own chargebacks, pay for your hosting, pay for your bandwidth, deal with uunet, track your upsells, promote it, pay your graphics designers, programmers, PR and marketing people, oh, and I almost forgot: Try to make a profit.

That's exactly what I have been doing for 2 years now.

Still I am looking for sponsors to convert part of the traffic that does not subscribe to our site.

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 02:29 PM

"My business is for the customers..and I treat them like gold."

... yes, we know that by now ... so please post some url from where your traffic is going to dannis ... but hey, you won´t ... will ya ?

49thParallel · 12-29-2002, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by funkmaster
"Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share. "

... what the hell is questionable about the t&t´s ... it says 24h ... that´s onethousandandfourty minutes of time to cancle ...

how about a url of your sites big boy ??

But your trial is only for 1 day ( you still haven't confirmed if that is 24 hours - or at the end of day, as in midnight.),...Even if it is 24 hours, your T & C's say they have to cancel 24 hours before end of trial...So, are you saying they have to cancel at the same second they take out the membership...hmm something doesn't compute here.

And which part of the above paragraph was beyond the processing power of your pea like brain....I use Dannicash...that's who I send traffic to...[url]www.dannicash.com[url] ... check out there programs...surf away big boy

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by jennycards
Maybe just as crazy as an average customer of yours.

Pornking, I would really appreciate discussing this in a business-like manner and omitting any personal offences.

then don't make false accusations.

we don't have endless pop ups and we don't have pop ups in our members sections.

we have more content and exclusive content then most sites out there and we give them a $1 Trial for a month.

what type of sponsor are you looking for.
we have great sites, a great promotion and we convert the best what more do you need.

if you wanted to discuss this in a business type manner you could have emailed me,ICQ,AIM or called me. all my contact info is on pornkings.com.

Pornkings · 12-29-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by jennycards
Just what I said.

your card must have declined and you got our 404. we don't have xxxpix in our members area did it look like this
www.xxxpix.com if it did you got declined and got our members section with all upsells

49thParallel · 12-29-2002, 02:35 PM

Mark...here is the url...since you seem to have a hard time figuring out that Dannicash is an affiliate program....
Check it out...no trials...no pop-ups...no cross sells...and awesome quality. A good example of how the adult industry should be run....

http://www.danni.com/directors/dannicash?dcwid=

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings

your card must have declined and you got our 404. we don't have xxxpix in our members area did it look like this
www.xxxpix.com if it did you got declined and got our members section with all upsells

In fact I paid by PayPal ... subscription was confirmed.
I just wanted to check back but username doesn't work any more ... what a coincidence.

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 02:40 PM

"Even if it is 24 hours, your T & C's say they have to cancel 24 hours before end of trial.."

... well, than we will change that to "within", thanks for letting me know ...

funkmaster · 12-29-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by 49thParallel

http://www.danni.com/directors/dannicash?dcwid= [/B]

... hahaha, you don´t get it, do you?

I would like to see one of your own domains, you know a website where traffic hits before it get´s to danni´s. is this so hard to understand, or have you got something to hide??

p1mpdogg · 12-29-2002, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by jennycards
In fact I paid by PayPal ... subscription was confirmed.
I just wanted to check back but username doesn't work any more ... what a coincidence.

I dont understand you.. Are you with some civil rights group or anti e-commerce group or something? wtf is your problem with making money? I look at your site for 9.95 a month.. and I KNOW you are not making money.. atleast not enough to live on and pay your bills... Im not guessing either.

What is so hard to understand about this being a business?

businesses usually try and make profit.. not the other way around. This is no different than real life everyday joe on the street selling hotdogs.. the hotdog is 99 cents.. but you gott buy the ketcup/mustard.. napkins and a drink right? Many fast food places now charge for condiments (sp*?)

my point is.. NOTHING is what it seems.. there is true deception.. and there is creative marketing/advertising.. the 2 are different. But you seem to have failed either economics or business class... because you sure have a problem with profitablilty.

mpegposter · 12-29-2002, 02:49 PM

Amazing jenny, all these passwords magically disappearing!

Sponsors name-calling, scrambling to fix all the errors their thousands of members see on a daily basis (right before they charge back.)

Good thread, a shame it has been dominated by a select few who all use the same types of deceptive marketing practices.

jennycards · 12-29-2002, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
if you wanted to discuss this in a business type manner you could have emailed me,ICQ,AIM or called me. all my contact info is on pornkings.com. [/B]

I don't have a problem with your specific program (though I was ready to promote it ... that's why all that started); as the subject of this thread reads, it's about the industry as a whole.

Pornking, I am sure your program is good for webmasters and not the worst for customers and I dont question your honesty.

Nevertheless, I am sure our industry will change significantly over the next few years (if not months) and programs like yours will not survive (I have no doubt you are going to run another successful program by that time though).

12-29-2002, 11:43 AM	#53
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	shit... i have password protection! let me think on this for a sec... __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

12-29-2002, 11:53 AM	#59
SABAI Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: footmaniac.com Posts: 2,880	what kind of member's area is this? only leased feeds and upsells.... if as a surfer i ever joined i would certainly charge back.... leased content is supposed to be a bonus not the whole content of a site in my opinion __________________

12-29-2002, 12:18 PM	#68
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Hey Roger, where did you get all the horoscopes? I am looking for something like that. http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php http://www.strokemag.com/gallery/mag...pornoscope.php __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

12-29-2002, 12:21 PM	#70
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	If you honestly think chargebacks/refunds/ratios aren't tracked by account on a PPS you can continue to send hits to sites that offer nothing in the way of content (or all plugin content that is listed on millions of other sites) you are out of your mind. Pimpdogg's site is a good example of that, except he removed the pw access after I pointed out the errors. Should really clean your own house before you try to show it off. Sending good surfers to sites that suck will result in refunds/chargebacks. They will be passed along to you in the form of account termination, shaving sales to make up for refunds, etc. I don't see anyone who runs a program with exclusive content sticking up for PornKings. If you want to cut costs and go with common plugins, broken links, and tons of upsells, be our guest. But don't expect to be praised for the quality of your sites. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

12-29-2002, 12:25 PM	#72
Darin Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 345	I keep forgetting to push Rogers programs. This thread reminded me, THANKS! __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-29-2002, 12:06 PM	#63
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"You don't have permission to access /members/videos/ on this server. " ... it´s the only error there is, nice membersection, pretty much like ours ... " I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something.. I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined... You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program. Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site. Are you a customer service spokesman or a business man/girl? Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today. " ... fucking hell, 800 posts of pure crap and bullshit and out of a suddend this guy starts making sense ... never make your judgements too fast, me enjoyed that post !!

12-29-2002, 12:13 PM	#67
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... well, it reads 802 under your nick ... that still leaves you with 2 decent posts ... maybe "800 posts of crap&bullshit" was a bad call ... make that 780 ... hahaha ...

12-29-2002, 12:50 PM	#78
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	probono, you've got mail

12-29-2002, 01:02 PM	#80
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share. The rest of my traffic I actually do send to History Killer / Popup Killer sites. My own small site that I tried was also a no b.s. $9.95 a month site. And my ad was a complete and accurate screen shot of the members area. But, I can make more using Danni's sites..so why bother. So go ahead...start digging for dirt...

12-29-2002, 02:13 PM	#85
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"Marks'...I'm still waiting on an explanation of your"questionable" T & C's. And as far as showing you my sites...go to Dannicash. That's who I use...no trials...no b.s. and top rate quality. And pure rev share. " ... what the hell is questionable about the t&t´s ... it says 24h ... that´s onethousandandfourty minutes of time to cancle ... how about a url of your sites big boy ??

12-29-2002, 02:29 PM	#90
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"My business is for the customers..and I treat them like gold." ... yes, we know that by now ... so please post some url from where your traffic is going to dannis ... but hey, you won´t ... will ya ?

12-29-2002, 02:35 PM	#94
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Mark...here is the url...since you seem to have a hard time figuring out that Dannicash is an affiliate program.... Check it out...no trials...no pop-ups...no cross sells...and awesome quality. A good example of how the adult industry should be run.... http://www.danni.com/directors/dannicash?dcwid=

12-29-2002, 02:40 PM	#96
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"Even if it is 24 hours, your T & C's say they have to cancel 24 hours before end of trial.." ... well, than we will change that to "within", thanks for letting me know ...

12-29-2002, 02:49 PM	#99
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Amazing jenny, all these passwords magically disappearing! Sponsors name-calling, scrambling to fix all the errors their thousands of members see on a daily basis (right before they charge back.) Good thread, a shame it has been dominated by a select few who all use the same types of deceptive marketing practices. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!