Texas ed board vote reflects far-right influences

[POed-poster]

This is just fucking retarded and makes me sick. Teaching idiotic religion is OK but not the contribution of non-whites (e.g., hispanics and blacks) is off-limits. How long are we going to allow these fucking racist neanderthals to force their idiot religion on our kids? How can people get top be so FUCKING RETARDED?

Texas ed board vote reflects far-right influences
By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press Writer

AUSTIN, Texas ? A far-right faction of the Texas State Board of Education succeeded Friday in injecting conservative ideals into social studies, history and economics lessons that will be taught to millions of students for the next decade.

Teachers in Texas will be required to cover the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers, but not highlight the philosophical rationale for the separation of church and state. Curriculum standards also will describe the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.
"We have been about conservatism versus liberalism," said Democrat Mavis Knight of Dallas, explaining her vote against the standards. "We have manipulated strands to insert what we want it to be in the document, regardless as to whether or not it's appropriate."

Following three days of impassioned and acrimonious debate, the board gave preliminary approval to the new standards with a 10-5 party line vote. A final vote is expected in May, after a public comment period that could produce additional amendments and arguments.

Decisions by the board ? made up of lawyers, a dentist and a weekly newspaper publisher among others ? can affect textbook content nationwide because Texas is one of publishers' biggest clients.

Ultraconservatives wielded their power over hundreds of subjects this week, introducing and rejecting amendments on everything from the civil rights movement to global politics. Hostilities flared and prompted a walkout Thursday by one of the board's most prominent Democrats, Mary Helen Berlanga of Corpus Christi, who accused her colleagues of "whitewashing" curriculum standards.

By late Thursday night, three other Democrats seemed to sense their futility and left, leaving Republicans to easily push through amendments heralding "American exceptionalism" and the U.S. free enterprise system, suggesting it thrives best absent excessive government intervention.

"Some board members themselves acknowledged this morning that the process for revising curriculum standards in Texas is seriously broken, with politics and personal agendas dominating just about every decision," said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, which advocates for religious freedom.

Republican Terri Leo, a member of the powerful Christian conservative voting bloc, called the standards "world class" and "exceptional."

Board members argued about the classification of historic periods (still B.C. and A.D., rather than B.C.E. and C.E.); whether students should be required to explain the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its impact on global politics (they will); and whether former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir should be required learning (she will).

In addition to learning the Bill of Rights, the board specified a reference to the Second Amendment right to bear arms in a section about citizenship in a U.S. government class.
Conservatives beat back multiple attempts to include hip-hop as an example of a significant cultural movement.

Numerous attempts to add the names or references to important Hispanics throughout history also were denied, inducing one amendment that would specify that Tejanos died at the Alamo alongside Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie. Another amendment deleted a requirement that sociology students "explain how institutional racism is evident in American society."

Democrats did score a victory by deleting a portion of an amendment by Republican Don McLeroy suggesting that the civil rights movement led to "unrealistic expectations for equal outcomes."

Fort Worth Republican Pat Hardy, a longtime teacher, voted for the new standards, but said she wished the board could work with a more cooperative spirit.

"What we've done is we've taken a document that by nature is too long to begin with and then we've lengthened it some more," Hardy said, shortly after the vote. "Those long lists of names that we've put in there ... it's just too long.

"I just think we failed to keep that in mind, it's hard for teachers to get through it all."

[StickyGreen]

The religions were created as a way to 'divide and conquer' so to speak. The religions have been deeply entrenched in cultures and families for millennia, it's going to be difficult to wake people up to the reality of this existence here on this planet...

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

The religions were created as a way to 'divide and conquer' so to speak. The religions have been deeply entrenched in cultures and families for millennia, it's going to be difficult to wake people up to the reality of this existence here on this planet...

Are humans really this fucking STUPID? By the time I was five, I had already figured out that people can't magically turn into salt, that the sun can't freeze in the sky, that snakes can't talk, and that people can't walk on water. Why are we so fucking stupid?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Are humans really this fucking STUPID?

Unfortunately, yes.

And Americans seem to be leading the way in that category...

[EdgeXXX]

You come to an adult webmaster board to discuss religion and politics and then proceed to slam others for being stupid? Look, if you just come here to vent that's fine and I have no problem with that, but honestly, most of the time you do it in a holier-than-thou, overly judgmental way that ends up coming off the exact same way as those you are bitching about. Take away the issues themselves and there is almost no difference between an ultraconservative and an ultraliberal. I've got nothing against you personally, just saying.

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

You come to an adult webmaster board to discuss religion and politics and then proceed to slam others for being stupid? Look, if you just come here to vent that's fine and I have no problem with that, but honestly, most of the time you do it in a holier-than-thou, overly judgmental way that ends up coming off the exact same way as those you are bitching about. Take away the issues themselves and there is almost no difference between an ultraconservative and an ultraliberal. I've got nothing against you personally, just saying.

Do you own this forum? If not then why would anyone give a shit if it's "fine" with you that people come here to vent? People are going to do whatever they want regardless of what you think... just saying...

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Do you own this forum? If not then why would anyone give a shit if it's "fine" with you that people come here to vent? People are going to do whatever they want regardless of what you think... just saying...

Did I ever say they couldn't? If everyone is free to express their views and opinions as they wish, as you have so brilliantly pointed out, wouldn't that include me as well?

[StickyGreen]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

Did I ever say they couldn't? If everyone is free to express their views and opinions as they wish, as you have so brilliantly pointed out, wouldn't that include me as well?

Yes, that includes you as well, but then I can tell you how that paragraph you wrote was completely pointless in regards to the topic of the thread. Oh well... carry on...

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

You come to an adult webmaster board to discuss religion and politics and then proceed to slam others for being stupid? Look, if you just come here to vent that's fine and I have no problem with that, but honestly, most of the time you do it in a holier-than-thou, overly judgmental way that ends up coming off the exact same way as those you are bitching about. Take away the issues themselves and there is almost no difference between an ultraconservative and an ultraliberal. I've got nothing against you personally, just saying.

First off, I am not an ultra anything. I am just as pissed off when PETA tries to shove its agenda down our throats. I am all about letting people live their lives without interference from others, but the problem is that right wing bible thumpers won't do that. I have no problems with the belief in a higher power, even if it is based on blind faith, so long as people don't try to push their shit on me. If you had bothered to read the article, you would see that this is nothing but an attempt by church brainwashed zombies to push religion in the classroom. Are you for or against that?

Second, there is a very simple solution to your dilemma. Nobody is FORCING you to read my posts, and yet here you are, whining and bitching like a four year old. You more than prove the point that Americans are stupid fucking morons. Go FUCK yourself, asshole!

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Yes, that includes you as well, but then I can tell you how that paragraph you wrote was completely pointless in regards to the topic of the thread. Oh well... carry on...

I am sure he will.

[Bill8]

Texans are passive by nature, so they get what they deserve.

Much like the rest of this country in decline.

[theking]

Conservatives attempt to push their agenda down your throat just the same as liberals attempt to push their agenda down your throat. Both sides equally think the other side is stupid. There is nothing new about this...get over it...Doctor.

[Bill8]

From the blue.

"Among other vital corrections to the historical record, the school board: "managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among the conservatives on the board because he coined the term ?separation between church and state.?) "

[burntfilm]

Whoever controls the simple minds controls the world...?

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

You come to an adult webmaster board to discuss religion and politics and then proceed to slam others for being stupid? Look, if you just come here to vent that's fine and I have no problem with that, but honestly, most of the time you do it in a holier-than-thou, overly judgmental way that ends up coming off the exact same way as those you are bitching about.

I agree. Happens way to often with people who despise religion, They become just as intolerant of others beliefs as the obsessed fanatics they rave about.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by theking

Conservatives attempt to push their agenda down your throat just the same as liberals attempt to push their agenda down your throat. Both sides equally think the other side is stupid. There is nothing new about this...get over it...Doctor.

Fuck Off, Pathfinder!

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I agree. Happens way to often with people who despise religion, They become just as intolerant of others beliefs as the obsessed fanatics they rave about.

Fuck off, bible thumper. Tell it to make believe Jesus!

[Sausage]

Isn't it funny how athiests are 'experts' on religion.

Regardless of whether you are an athiest, agnostic, christian, muslim, whatever ... if you tell others what to believe you need a rotating cactus firmly planted up your ass. Mind your own fucking business.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by Sausage

Isn't it funny how athiests are 'experts' on religion.

Regardless of whether you are an athiest, agnostic, christian, muslim, whatever ... if you tell others what to believe you need a rotating cactus firmly planted up your ass. Mind your own fucking business.

Is that what you tell make believe Jesus every night? Isn't it amazing how so many bible thumpers are such fucking hypocrites that they would come here of all places? Are you trying to save our lost souls, thumper? Or are you just getting more stroke material for later?

And FYI, I am NOT an atheist. Moreover, it hardly takes an expert to realize that religion is full of complete shit. When was the last time you had a conversation with a talking snake? If you believe in any of the bullshit in the bible, you are mentally retarded. It is really just that simple.

Now, go say your prayers before Jesus strikes you down for looking at porn.

[theking]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Is that what you tell make believe Jesus every night? Isn't it amazing how so many bible thumpers are such fucking hypocrites that they would come here of all places? Are you trying to save our lost souls, thumper? Or are you just getting more stroke material for later?

And FYI, I am NOT an atheist. Moreover, it hardly takes an expert to realize that religion is full of complete shit. When was the last time you had a conversation with a talking snake? If you believe in any of the bullshit in the bible, you are mentally retarded. It is really just that simple.

Now, go say your prayers before Jesus strikes you down for looking at porn.

You are aware...are you not Doctor...that your obsession is bordering on psychosis?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

You come to an adult webmaster board to discuss religion and politics and then proceed to slam others for being stupid? Look, if you just come here to vent that's fine and I have no problem with that, but honestly, most of the time you do it in a holier-than-thou, overly judgmental way that ends up coming off the exact same way as those you are bitching about. Take away the issues themselves and there is almost no difference between an ultraconservative and an ultraliberal. I've got nothing against you personally, just saying.

Hahahah QFT. While I'm not fully supportive of this, I sure as hell would love it added to the college curriculum to combat liberal arts degrees that make university students and the new generation dumb as hell.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by theking

You are aware...are you not Doctor...that your obsession is bordering on psychosis?

The guy is beyond psychotic. He's mentally ill and incompetent. If I ever thought about becoming atheist, I'd look at him, then instantly become ultra religious..

[POed-poster]

Why are there so many fucking retards on this board? Neither The Demon nor Pathfinder are adult webmasters. They are just fucking trolls.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by The Demon

The guy is beyond psychotic. He's mentally ill and incompetent. If I ever thought about becoming atheist, I'd look at him, then instantly become ultra religious..

I am not an atheist, IDIOT! I just don't believe in your ridiculous Judeo-Christian moronic genocidal god. FUCK YHWH, and FUCK YOU TOO. Go pray to lil make believe Jesus.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Why are there so many fucking retards on this board? Neither The Demon nor Pathfinder are adult webmasters. They are just fucking trolls.

I assure you, you would get banned for your low IQ and mental illness before I ever get banned.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I assure you, you would get banned for your low IQ and mental illness before I ever get banned.

Get a clue, CUNT. YOUR MORON GOD exists only in your idiotic, racist little mind. Lawyer my ass. I have ten times the IQ you have. Smart people don't believe in talking snakes. Go suck YHWH's dick.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Get a clue, CUNT. YOUR MORON GOD exists only in your idiotic, racist little mind. Lawyer my ass. I have ten times the IQ you have. Smart people don't believe in talking snakes. Go suck YHWH's dick.

[POed-poster]

Originally Posted by The Demon

[iBAIT SHOVED BACK UP YOUR PROBABLY VERY TORN UP ASSHOLE

You are nothing but a fucking idiot troll who doesn't belong here. I can promise you any day of the week that I have more brains than you do. I don't even have to prove it. The fact that you are a fucking conservative moron and I am liberal is all I need to show. Liberals are MUCH SMARTER than stupid moron ghost in the sky Jesus thumpers. Now please go bend over and let YHWH send his love up your worn out ass.

[POed-poster]

Does any of this bother any of you? Here we have a case of right wing nuts trying to force their ideology on children and nobody seems to give a shit, except the conservative trolls. Too buy with 'hit this' threads and when the next big convention will be, eh? Enjoy it now cos you won't have it for long. The jesus thumper are coming to take it all away from you.

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Liberals are MUCH SMARTER than stupid moron ghost in the sky Jesus thumpers.

Thats too funny

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Fuck off, bible thumper. Tell it to make believe Jesus!

I'm not a bible thumper. You just tell people who don't agree with you to fuck off? How does that make you any better than the religious fantatics you rave about in every single thread?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Does any of this bother any of you? Here we have a case of right wing nuts trying to force their ideology on children and nobody seems to give a shit, except the conservative trolls.

It's only texas.

If texans weren't so passive they'd secede. All hat, no cattle.

Getting into chickfights with religion trolls is pointless.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Thats too funny

HAHAHA indeed. If I was a liberal, I'd hang my head in shame. I think this kid's IQ makes the whole collective bunch of left wingers retarded.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Bill8

It's only texas.

If texans weren't so passive they'd secede. All hat, no cattle.

Getting into chickfights with religion trolls is pointless.

Hey, you seem to be the only one on this forum that agrees with this guy. Please fax over your mental illness papers. Then again, I'd take religious trolls over secularist liberal buffoons

[Bill8]

Thinking its kinda crazy for texans to be anti-jefferson because he introduced the american ideal of seperation of church and state has nothing to do with thinking hair pulling with religion trolls is pointless.

If you're a religion troll, thats your business. I may think it's idiotic, but that's my business.

If you can convince texans to hate the idea of separation of church and state, more power to you. anything that hurts texas is probably good for my part of the country.

Do I think that texans violating the constitution by imposing religious teachings on students is wrong and probably illegal?

yes. but it's fucking texas, for christs sake. nobody expects anything different from texas.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Bill8

Thinking its kinda crazy for texans to be anti-jefferson because he introduced the american ideal of seperation of church and state has nothing to do with thinking hair pulling with religion trolls is pointless.

If you're a religion troll, thats your business. I may think it's idiotic, but that's my business.

If you can convince texans to hate the idea of separation of church and state, more power to you. anything that hurts texas is probably good for my part of the country.

Do I think that texans violating the constitution by imposing religious teachings on students is wrong and probably illegal?

yes. but it's fucking texas, for christs sake. nobody expects anything different from texas.

I'm not sure if that was english or pure bullshit. Where did the whole "religion troll" nonsense come from? Furthermore, when did I say I agree with this? I didn't? Oh ok. Thanks.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Hahahah QFT. While I'm not fully supportive of this, I sure as hell would love it added to the college curriculum to combat liberal arts degrees that make university students and the new generation dumb as hell.

holy shit, you might be the stupidest person I've ever seen on this board... I mean, just in strict IQ terms. I've seen crazier, but I don't think I've ever seen dumber.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by dig420

holy shit, you might be the stupidest person I've ever seen on this board... I mean, just in strict IQ terms. I've seen crazier, but I don't think I've ever seen dumber.

Digg, come now. I've already given you the "stupidest gfyer" title. Or rather, one of them. Repeating it back to me makes you look the part. The fact that you would randomly post that without any logical backing further advances my point. Perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate your incompetence?

[dig420]

Originally Posted by The Demon

Digg, come now. I've already given you the "stupidest gfyer" title. Or rather, one of them. Repeating it back to me makes you look the part. The fact that you would randomly post that without any logical backing further advances my point. Perhaps you should take a step back and evaluate your incompetence?

If you weren't so fucking stupid, you wouldn't need further 'logical backing'. TeH StUpid is written all over every post you make. The problem is, you're too fucking stupid to recognize it.

Get it, stupid?

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by dig420

If you weren't so fucking stupid, you wouldn't need further 'logical backing'. TeH StUpid is written all over every post you make. The problem is, you're too fucking stupid to recognize it.

Get it, stupid?

Welp, I rest my case. Thanks for the laugh Digg. I'm glad I can count on you to fill in for thedoc when he's not around. Definitely enjoy talking to someone inferior to me in every facet of life.

[theking]

Originally Posted by POed-poster

Why are there so many fucking retards on this board? Neither The Demon nor Pathfinder are adult webmasters. They are just fucking trolls.

And you..."Doctor"...are an ignorant liar.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I'm not sure if that was english or pure bullshit. Where did the whole "religion troll" nonsense come from? Furthermore, when did I say I agree with this? I didn't? Oh ok. Thanks.

Then what's your fuckin problem? Why are you wasting my time?

You are either pro-jefferson or anti-jefferson. pro separation of church and state, or against it. pro-constitution, or against it. Choose a fucking side.

or continue your hairpulling, I don't fucking care. Don't mistake me for someone who gives a shit about your drama. Like I said, that hairpulling is pussy bullshit.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Bill8

Then what's your fuckin problem? Why are you wasting my time?

You are either pro-jefferson or anti-jefferson. pro separation of church and state, or against it. pro-constitution, or against it. Choose a fucking side.

or continue your hairpulling, I don't fucking care. Don't mistake me for someone who gives a shit about your drama. Like I said, that hairpulling is pussy bullshit.

He's a fucking idiot contrarian who's starved for attention, just like most of his tea-partying buddies. He doesn't know wtf he believes in, he just knows he likes it when people react to his idiot speeches.

[GatorB]

Not to worry Texas already has pretty lousy education and in 20-25 when the average Texans makes a mildly retarded person seem like a genius and the average workers makes minimum wage maybe they'll finally see the errors of their ways. Common sense sensetells you that the states thaty have hte MOST educated people are the ones that are better off why some state would want to delibertly down down it's population is beyond me. People spend all their time worrying about the rise of Islamic conservatism, but Americans need to worry about the rise of Christian conservatism. That's is the threat to our freedom and prosperity.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by dig420

He's a fucking idiot contrarian who's starved for attention, just like most of his tea-partying buddies. He doesn't know wtf he believes in, he just knows he likes it when people react to his idiot speeches.

ad hominem, attacking the messenger, is a weak tactic, no matter which side uses it.

Admittedly it often temporarily influences the weak-minded, but it's a poor choice in the long run.

So, if you are forced to respond to ad hominem, switch to something substantive as soon as possible.

ad hominem is a girl's tactic.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Bill8

ad hominem, attacking the messenger, is a weak tactic, no matter which side uses it.

Admittedly it often temporarily influences the weak-minded, but it's a poor choice in the long run.

So, if you are forced to respond to ad hominem, switch to something substantive as soon as possible.

ad hominem is a girl's tactic.

stfu retard.

[Vendzilla]

States can make there own set of standards, if people that live there don't like it, they can move or do something about it. Others in other states that like it can move there.

Texas has a better unemployment rate than most liberal states and after visiting Texas, I would have to say they are more patriotic than any other state in the union

California is a liberal state, we have a shitty education system. My daughter survived it. My nephew had a learning disability and had to move to Pennsylvania to find out about it. Now he's a straight "A" student.

I believe in god, not religion

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by dig420

He's a fucking idiot contrarian who's starved for attention, just like most of his tea-partying buddies. He doesn't know wtf he believes in, he just knows he likes it when people react to his idiot speeches.

Except I've embarrassed you plenty of time so if I'm an idiot contrarian, then you're beyond retarded. Now if you want to continue embarrassing yourself, please keep posting. Someone of your stupidity is definitely humorous though

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Bill8

ad hominem, attacking the messenger, is a weak tactic, no matter which side uses it.

Admittedly it often temporarily influences the weak-minded, but it's a poor choice in the long run.

So, if you are forced to respond to ad hominem, switch to something substantive as soon as possible.

ad hominem is a girl's tactic.

I doubt he can read, so you're wasting your time. Btw, I'm pro Jefferson and pro separation of church and state.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

States can make there own set of standards, if people that live there don't like it, they can move or do something about it. Others in other states that like it can move there.

Texas has a better unemployment rate than most liberal states and after visiting Texas, I would have to say they are more patriotic than any other state in the union

California is a liberal state, we have a shitty education system. My daughter survived it. My nephew had a learning disability and had to move to Pennsylvania to find out about it. Now he's a straight "A" student.

I believe in god, not religion

I'm pretty sure we have less than 5% unemployment in Texas and our education is better than most of the northern states.