Originally Posted by themadwriter (Post 16895825)

more murders and massacres have happened in the name of religion than all the wars man has had to date!

Something to think about!

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 16895870)

Popular propaganda. Not that there haven't been more than enough though.

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16895394)

I'll say this much for the scientists and athiests, at least you don't come down my street in pairs twice a year knocking on my door trying to recruit me into your religion. I'm thankful for that because I'm running out of places in my yard to bury the bodies.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16897036)

Let's make this simple for everyone. Around 2000 years ago we had a group of people that got together to make a story of how we all got here (for control purposes). There were certain people within that group that said "Hey lets make up a story which makes us look good" so what you get is the bible and eventually other modern day religions. "Fairy tales" which for the most part are all made up and passed down generation through generation for at least 6500 years is what we have now. When the reality is it's similar but much different.

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16894771)

Yes. But I also see the commonalities of the two. Don't you?

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16894784)

Oh, was my use of the word "theory" incorrect? Maybe I should have used the word "opinion" instead? "The opinion of nothingness" it is then. Happier?

The next time someone says "It is my theory that when you die, that's it, you're gone into nothingness" I will speak up and correct them on their grave error.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 16895394)

Aside from all the oh so sound reasoned arguments that always go on in these types of threads the thing I always find the most amusing is how both sides try to convince the other that theirs is the correct way, the ONLY way, to think. Non-believers and the science crowd tend to throw a lot of ridicule at the creationist/Christian or otherwise religious crowd, and the "religionists" love to talk about how immoral and faithless the other side is, all the while wondering why they can't see the evidence of God's work which they believe is in plain view all around us.

Members of both sides take to the boards and aggressively try to argue their case and won't hear of how they may have anything in common with their counterparts, and vehemently deny the possibility even exists. Fact is whether your beliefs are athiest, Christian, science/athiest, Muslim with an interest in gene-splicing, Islamic but you majored in genetic engineering, or whatever ---- if your faith in your belief is unshakeable and you are secure in your mindset and confident you are on the right path in life, that really should be good enough for you. Shouldn't it? It always amuses me how so many feel the driving need to convince others that their way is right and everyone else's beliefs are wrong. It really does smack of insecurity no matter who is doing it.

I'll say this much for the scientists and athiests, at least you don't come down my street in pairs twice a year knocking on my door trying to recruit me into your religion. I'm thankful for that because I'm running out of places in my yard to bury the bodies.

Originally Posted by themadwriter (Post 16895825)

more murders and massacres have happened in the name of religion than all the wars man has had to date!

Something to think about!

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16897036)

Let's make this simple for everyone. Around 2000 years ago we had a group of people that got together to make a story of how we all got here (for control purposes). There were certain people within that group that said "Hey lets make up a story which makes us look good" so what you get is the bible and eventually other modern day religions. "Fairy tales" which for the most part are all made up and passed down generation through generation for at least 6500 years is what we have now. When the reality is it's similar but much different.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16897036)

Let's make this simple for everyone. Around 2000 years ago we had a group of people that got together to make a story............................................w hich for the most part are all made up and passed down generation through generation for at least 6500 years

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16862685)

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

Originally Posted by chopstick (Post 16898268)

Dawkins doens't go about bashing God - he just sticks to evolution, which is fascinating if you read his books.

Originally Posted by chopstick (Post 16898257)

Just because one argument is not proven, it does not automatically entitle, or prove, the opposing argument.

In other words, if we cannot do it now, does not mean it cannot be done, or didn't happen.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16898376)

in other words?

how about in other meanings? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16898376)

in other words?

how about in other meanings? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by NoComments (Post 16897337)

The New testament was written in 300 AD, and Old Testament about 1400 BC,
just a small correction.

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 16898612)

how about fucking clueless???

Originally Posted by wig (Post 16897641)

Depending on what you really mean, I don't know if "for control purposes" is the right way to look at it.

It appears to me that religion was our first attempt at organizing society, before we had institutions of law, government, etc.

It may have been evolutionarily advantageous, like our sweet tooth. Perhaps more beneficial in the past than the present.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16899354)

What if it were still in practice today?

The Levitical Priesthood of Tennessee
http://mlf1070.wordpress.com/2007/08...-of-tennessee/

Originally Posted by wig (Post 16899647)

What if what was still in practice?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16900000)

What if you don't follow that religion should you still be bound to the beliefs of those who "choose" to follow it?

Originally Posted by wig (Post 16900094)

Of course not.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16900232)

Do you realize what you just agreed to? Go back and read the link given if you haven't already (assuming you didn't)

Originally Posted by theking (Post 16900263)

You think you are playing him...but if he returns to this thread...he will educate you about who has been played.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16898057)

oh, thats pretty simple alright. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 16901169)

It's pretty accurate. Nearly all the biblical stories have antecedents from previous religions. The flood, Jonah and the Whale, on and on and on, nearly identical stories appropriated by the christian religion for it's own use. The bible was also 'created' by Pope Damascus by choosing which of the hundreds of texts purporting to Christian theology were divinely inspired. Last but not least, Christ was far from the only 'savior' floating around during his lifetime, there were hundreds of them, some more successful than others. He's just the one who won the lottery by having the very effective Paul as a disciple. Paul is far more responsible than any other figure for Xtianity having the position it has today.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16899354)

What if it were still in practice today?

The Levitical Priesthood of Tennessee
http://mlf1070.wordpress.com/2007/08...-of-tennessee/

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 16901169)

It's pretty accurate. Nearly all the biblical stories have antecedents from previous religions. The flood..........

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs (Post 16899224)

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16862990)

Yeast:
any of various small, single-celled fungi of the phylum Ascomycota that reproduce by fission or budding, the daughter cells often remaining attached, and that are capable of fermenting carbohydrates into alcohol and carbon dioxide.

if you START with life, you'll get life. :winkwink:
my point is that as we sit here, we can not recreate the origin of our being.if we know there was a time on earth where there was no life, something, as of yet, unexplained created us

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16902801)

which works FOR there being a grain of truth behind them. Not against.
Zealots of any stripe seem ridiculous to everyone else.
Think about that before your next dopey rant. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 16902738)

I should have known you would spreading you unique brand of lunacy on this thread. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 16903651)

I'll type more slowly this time: These stories existed BEFORE Christianity, and BEFORE Judaism. Do you understand that very simple statement now?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16901131)

I don't play. I'm painting a bigger picture for him and whoever else cares to see.. As you can see he didn't read the link I posted and wasn't aware of what he agreed to. But even though he didn't know, he's right.

Originally Posted by wig (Post 16905851)

You are conflating religion with government using a weak analogy and then ask me a misleading question by only using the word religion. As best I can tell, I think your point is a non-sequitur.

This is not to say that there should not be any dissent and clearly we (USA) have dissent, including those who break the law as a form. We also have processes for this and it is ingrained in our founding documents.

Maybe you would like to expand on your big picture.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16862685)

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 16906186)

You might think it's weak but it's strong enough to fool most amd it's very real. As far as the founding documents you mentioned

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."

Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah

Hmm so the Constituution isn't for us? Then who or what is it for? I know, do you? Just another part of the con.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 16862685)

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 16906196)

ROFL, what the fuck is that suppose to mean ?
You serious think and magical being created life, something that some guy create 1000 years ago. Religions and gods are a dime and dozen. The clear answer is that its complete crap!

If you dont beleave in Santa clause or the easter bunny I don't see why you would beleave in god!

Originally Posted by wig (Post 16906409)

Perhaps, it's strong enough to fool you rather than the other way around. But, I'm open to argument. Enlighten me.