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shuki · 02-02-2010, 07:44 PM

pretty slick player

beta-tester · 02-02-2010, 08:04 PM

ff 3.6 is supposed to support HTML5. That's what I have installed here, but it still doesn't open that player.

georgeyw · 02-02-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Adobe must be shitting bricks.

That's a bit like saying Freeones is shitting bricks about porn beer

Young · 02-02-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

That's a bit like saying Freeones is shitting bricks about porn beer

It's nowhere close to that. Your analogy is way off.

HTML5 video has already proven through demos to be a viable and in some cases superior alternative to Flash. And the best thing of all it will be built into every browser. No need to download plugins or upgrade to the newest version of Flash. No need for companies to hassle with Adobe over licensing and implementation.

And that's just on the video side of things. Have you seen Google's HTML5 version of Google Voice?

You best to believe that Adobe is most certainly shitting bricks.

Young · 02-02-2010, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Lynch tries to pretend that HTML5 is not a threat, saying in the same breadth that Adobe supports HTML5, but its incompatibilities across browsers spells doom for the Web.

But I suppose that downloading the latest version of Flash just to be able to start a video isn't the same thing?

L-Pink · 02-02-2010, 08:41 PM

Works great for me.

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georgeyw · 02-02-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

It's nowhere close to that. Your analogy is way off.

HTML5 video has already proven through demos to be a viable and in some cases superior alternative to Flash. And the best thing of all it will be built into every browser. No need to download plugins or upgrade to the newest version of Flash. No need for companies to hassle with Adobe over licensing and implementation.

And that's just on the video side of things. Have you seen Google's HTML5 version of Google Voice?

You best to believe that Adobe is most certainly shitting bricks.

How many of your surfers are using the latest browsers? I'm betting less than 50%.

The time it will take for HTML5 to be adopted will allow for more than enough time for Adobe to adapt.

I'm not saying HTML5 won't be a good thing, just don't believe that it will topple flash in one foul swoop!

MetaMan · 02-02-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

What does HTML5 have to do with Apple being cocky?

HTML5 is an emerging standard. It will soon take over in a few years. Pretty much has 0 to do with Apple except for the fact that Apple realizes that not needing 3rd party plugin is the way to go.

use your head the blatant bashing of flash has to do with them being cocky.

get over yourself flash is not going anywhere. did you read the thread title or did you just come in here to be on apples balls?

what happens when the ipad is a major fuckup? then where does your "standard" go? it goes right out the window.

flash will adapt with the standard. what makes you think they will not?

MetaMan · 02-02-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Young

What does HTML5 have to do with Apple being cocky?

HTML5 is an emerging standard. It will soon take over in a few years. Pretty much has 0 to do with Apple except for the fact that Apple realizes that not needing 3rd party plugin is the way to go.

i dont know about you mr expert but HTML5 has been in development for years. only recently when Apple mentions they are not using flash on the iPad are you going to see retarded threads like this.

i like to put 2 and 2 together and read between the lines that it is the Apple sheeple out in full force making claims that "flash is dead". where is flash dead?

i have read flash is in up to around 90% of browsers (i have no idea if it's this high but i would agree it is a huge majority)

GatorB · 02-02-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well your browsers all suck. :D

Supported browsers:

Safari (v4.0.4+)
Google Chrome (v4.0+)
Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed

Email your browsers' dev teams and ask when they are going to catch up with Safari and Chrome?

:D

It does look really nice, to be fair. Worth checking out. And, the thing is, this will be...free. Adobe must be shitting bricks.

Well considering most people use "sucky" browsers it will be awhile for HTML5 takes off. Hell 20% still use IE6. And as you said only work with IE with Chrome Frame installed. How many have that? IE in all formats is 2/3 of the browser market so until MS jumps aboard the HTML5 train it's stuck in station.

GatorB · 02-02-2010, 10:03 PM

For the record the video worked in Chrome 3.0.195.21

02-02-2010, 10:25 PM

I welcome HTML5 to the developer tool kit as I think that it will push Adobe to step up its game a bit.

BTW - UPDATE YOUR FUCKING BROWSERS! AND, DO YOUR PLUGINS WHILE YOU'RE AT IT! FUCK, HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING 'OH, IT DOESN'T WORK,' FIRST?!

Odin · 02-02-2010, 10:34 PM

It's new, but it is an emerging standard. I am very glad Google entered the browser marketspace, not just because their browser is great (and fast), but because they are pushing the web platform forward. Microsoft has already said that it will "do the right thing" when it comes to html5. Firefox, safari and chrome are all on board, and still working out the details. It will take a bit of time before html5 has the same compatibility as flash (hell a huge percentage of people still use ie6), but it won't be that long before it is a big factor.

weekly · 02-03-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

That's a bit like saying Freeones is shitting bricks about porn beer

That was funny....

weekly · 02-03-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by magpan

I welcome HTML5 to the developer tool kit as I think that it will push Adobe to step up its game a bit.

BTW - UPDATE YOUR FUCKING BROWSERS! AND, DO YOUR PLUGINS WHILE YOU'RE AT IT! FUCK, HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF SAYING 'OH, IT DOESN'T WORK,' FIRST?!

Bingo....all it will take is for Adobe to do it a little better and that will be that.

tiger · 02-03-2010, 12:11 AM

Flash is dead, lol.

Flash owns the web for now and the near future.

Jakke PNG · 02-03-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well your browsers all suck. :D

Supported browsers:

Safari (v4.0.4+)
Google Chrome (v4.0+)
Internet Explorer with Chrome Frame installed

Email your browsers' dev teams and ask when they are going to catch up with Safari and Chrome?

:D

It does look really nice, to be fair. Worth checking out. And, the thing is, this will be...free. Adobe must be shitting bricks.

Or not. If you read into it more. There's licensing fees for 'codecs', there's issues with who wants to use what and so forth. HTML5 will be the norm in 2022 I think. So, I don't think adobe's shitting any bricks yet or needs any prune juice.

Matt 26z · 02-03-2010, 12:49 AM

Adobe dropped the ball with Flash.

I think HTML5 is going to take off faster than many think.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

http://jilion.com/

scroll down to "people" DamianJ are you one of these douche bags?

Notice how my name is Damian, and none of their names are? So I would guess no I am not one of them.

This is usually how names work for both apple douchebags and regular douchbags.

HTH.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

It's a slap in the face to Adobe. Apple was upset that they couldn't get Flash to work on their iPhone. I'm pretty sure HTML5 will work fine on the iPhone.

It already does.

seeandsee · 02-03-2010, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

In case you haven't seen this:

http://jilion.com/sublime/video

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 05:28 AM

I assume all the people saying this will never happen are all using HTML1 still and think browsers never progress?

tranza · 02-03-2010, 05:35 AM

Not loading for me.

Jakke PNG · 02-03-2010, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I assume all the people saying this will never happen are all using HTML1 still and think browsers never progress?

...and I assume you think progress happens swiftly and painlessly.

Are browsers all already compatible with (old) CSS-standards? no.
Should they be? yes.

Will html5 be good. yes
Will it be good anytime soon. no.

Owner · 02-03-2010, 07:06 AM

http://www.readwriteweb.com/start/20...eat-html-5.php

http://9elements.com/io/?p=153

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

...and I assume you think progress happens swiftly and painlessly.

Where did I say that?

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Will html5 be good. yes
Will it be good anytime soon. no.

When did I say it would be?

buildingstrawmen.com is available.

nico-t · 02-03-2010, 07:09 AM

flash is still not going anywhere and it is used by the majority of websites. Big mistake of apple that their crappy worthless ipad doesnt support it...... retarded.

pornguy · 02-03-2010, 07:15 AM

Yep No supported.

Jakke PNG · 02-03-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Where did I say that?

When did I say it would be?

buildingstrawmen.com is available.

Soo...why jumping on everyone who says flash is not dead and html5 will be not "it" from now on. That's how I've interpreted your postings.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Soo...why jumping on everyone who says flash is not dead and html5 will be not "it" from now on. That's how I've interpreted your postings.

Well that shows what happens when you interpret things rather than take what people say at face value.

I am not jumping on anyone, Jakke. I am having a discussion about the inevitability of HTML5 killing flash within 10 years. I find it interesting that people really think it won't.

I cannot see anyone here who is saying this assertion is wrong coming up with a reason why something that costs money (flash) will beat something that doesn't (html5).

Anyone care to make a suggestion?

Amputate Your Head · 02-03-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I cannot see anyone here who is saying this assertion is wrong coming up with a reason why something that costs money (flash) will beat something that doesn't (html5).

Anyone care to make a suggestion?

Well, I'll step up to the plate then. Yes, you're wrong.
Photoshop costs money, MS Paint does not. But you're not going to see designers flocking to MS Paint just because it's free.

And by the way, HTML 5 is still nothing more than a concept. Assuming it gets adopted as a standard someday, and factoring in the average time it takes for major changes like that to work its way into full browser integration and then on down to all the actual users, HTML 5 won't be considered any kind of a "standard" for decades. (if ever).

Macromedia created something unique with both Flash & Director (Shockwave), that rocked the world. Adobe bought them out. Flash is capable of so much more than just displaying a video to a user, just as Photoshop is capable of so much more than just cropping thumbnails.

The important part is, Flash doesn't cost the end users anything, only the Flash developers. The developers will use whatever gets the job done the fastest, best, most efficient way, on a platform that reaches the most people. Right now, (for purposes of this discussion) that's Flash, not HTML 5. And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there, it's pretty clear that end users aren't jumping on upgrades until they are forced to.

Flash isn't going anywhere, and Adobe is not shitting any bricks.

woj · 02-03-2010, 08:31 AM

pretty neat, but doesn't work with 90% of the browsers, making it useless at this point...

Jakke PNG · 02-03-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well that shows what happens when you interpret things rather than take what people say at face value.

I am not jumping on anyone, Jakke. I am having a discussion about the inevitability of HTML5 killing flash within 10 years. I find it interesting that people really think it won't.

I cannot see anyone here who is saying this assertion is wrong coming up with a reason why something that costs money (flash) will beat something that doesn't (html5).

Anyone care to make a suggestion?

Within 10 years, maybe. BUT.. from your earlier posts I got the impression you were talking about months, maybe hours.

Anyhow.. anyone care to make a suggestion? Maybe if the browser developers would care to find a harmony and decide how and what codecs they'd support, since w3 doesn't. Some are free, some are not.

Also from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

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Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML5 specification, expects the specification to reach the W3C Candidate Recommendation stage during 2012, and W3C Recommendation in the year 2022 or later.[9] However, many parts of the specification are stable and may be implemented in products:

Also read worthy: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2010/...-html-5-video/

</end being an asshole>

Gonna go play hockey. Have fun arguing. I'll join back up later.

Ravage · 02-03-2010, 08:45 AM

Adobe makes money off
a) A visual IDE for Flash development - command line compilation is now free.
b) Server architectures for complex callback/relationships with served media.

Both of these things (especially (a)) will be needed for html5 to 'replace' flash, and who do you think is best positioned to have market ready tools for development in these spaces. Actionscript is after all just a flavour of ECMA (as is javascript). Adapting their tools to output to html5 apps would not be a huge undertaking.

If you don't think Adobe is already working on this, then you're an arse.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Well, I'll step up to the plate then. Yes, you're wrong. Photoshop costs money, MS Paint does not. But you're not going to see designers flocking to MS Paint just because it's free.

Oh brilliant. Compare something shit to something good.

Equally, Kobe beef is better than macdonalds.

The key, that you usefully missed, is that both flash/html5 are/will be as good as the same in terms of DELIVERING VIDEO.

So now why would someone pay for something they could get for free?

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

And by the way, HTML 5 is still nothing more than a concept. Assuming it gets adopted as a standard someday, and factoring in the average time it takes for major changes like that to work its way into full browser integration and then on down to all the actual users, HTML 5 won't be considered any kind of a "standard" for decades. (if ever).

2022 they reckon. And getting W3C this year.

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Macromedia created something unique with both Flash & Director (Shockwave), that rocked the world. Adobe bought them out. Flash is capable of so much more than just displaying a video to a user, just as Photoshop is capable of so much more than just cropping thumbnails.

Brilliant. Who denies that?

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

The important part is, Flash doesn't cost the end users anything, only the Flash developers.

Again, no one is denying that.

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

The developers will use whatever gets the job done the fastest, best, most efficient way, on a platform that reaches the most people. Right now, (for purposes of this discussion) that's Flash, not HTML 5.

Yes it is. Again, no one appears to be denying that?

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

And when statistics show that IE6 is STILL the most widely used browser out there, it's pretty clear that end users aren't jumping on upgrades until they are forced to.

a) no it isn't http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
b) who is saying end users jump on upgrades?

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakke PNG

Within 10 years, maybe. BUT.. from your earlier posts I got the impression you were talking about months, maybe hours.

As I said, where did I suggest that? I didn't, did I?

I mean, I am sorry you assumed I said things I didn't, and you are now arguing against YOUR supposition as opposed to anything I actually said.

Hope hockey is fun.

Jakke PNG · 02-03-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

The key, that you usefully missed, is that both flash/html5 are/will be as good as the same in terms of DELIVERING VIDEO.

They are? Maybe if browsers would support ALL codecs, which won't happen. Licensing fees. Mozilla doesn't like NON-opensource stuff, where as apple and Google seem to.

..and hockey will be fun, until I hurt myself.

Amputate Your Head · 02-03-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh brilliant. Compare something shit to something good.

So, what is it you want? I've given you my opinion, and the fact that Flash is used for more than just delivering end-user video is enough of a reason for developers who need it to continue paying for it. You can deliver video to your users right now without Flash or HTML5. You don't NEED either one.

I guess I'm not sure what your vantage point is on this. Are you just looking to save a buck by not purchasing Flash? That's not a good enough reason or argument to make claims of 'conceptual' HTML 5 killing off a staple of designer / developer tools that's been in play for decades.

Amputate Your Head · 02-03-2010, 09:16 AM

DamienJ,

I guess, let me put this another way...
We can both agree that Flash is infinitely more advanced & better than Compuserve's old ass GIF in terms of banner design. Yet even as vastly superior as Flash is in every way and then some in that regard, the GIF format lives on to this day. So if HTML 5 is being viewed as a "Flash Killer" based solely on end user video delivery, do you honestly believe Adobe is just going to say, "Well, that's it then. Let's terminate Flash."? Or that developers & designers are going to stop using it?

When you speak of something as a Flash Killer, it's going to have to pack more of a punch than just saving a buck on video delivery. It's going to have to be a holographic tactile slut crawling out of the screen and sucking some dick.

MetaMan · 02-03-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Flash is dead. Long live HTML5 [VID]

In case you haven't seen this:

http://jilion.com/sublime/video

original post

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I am not jumping on anyone, Jakke. I am having a discussion about the inevitability of HTML5 killing flash within 10 years. I find it interesting that people really think it won't.

backtrack post 80 posts in when you realize what you said is false
when something is "dead" how can it be alive for another 10 years?

PS get off apples balls you just saw the iPad vid and got a boner.
--------

you = full of shit

weekly · 02-03-2010, 09:24 AM

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Equally, Kobe beef is better than macdonalds.

And is the problem with your life and death argument and why you are defending and back peddling so rapidly. Macdonalds does not sell Kobe beef.

Babaganoosh · 02-03-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

a) no it isn't http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
b) who is saying end users jump on upgrades?

The following is taken from the URL you posted:

"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends."

Every single one of my sites logs shows that IE6 is the most popular browser.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So, what is it you want?

I wanted to point out your paint/photoshop analogy wasn't really very accurate.

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I guess I'm not sure what your vantage point is on this.

It's just Flash isn't all that, and things change. Not sure why everyone is so busy sucking Adobe's cock?

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Are you just looking to save a buck by not purchasing Flash?

No, I do marketing. I don't buy any Flash licences.

I just think it's FASCINATING how so many people have run into this thread so oddly aggressively. Like I was saying America isn't very good!

The only point I was really making is that that link had a really nice clip of video.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

When you speak of something as a Flash Killer, it's going to have to pack more of a punch than just saving a buck on video delivery. It's going to have to be a holographic tactile slut crawling out of the screen and sucking some dick.

Hehe! Brilliant post!

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

original post

backtrack post 80 posts in when you realize what you said is false
when something is "dead" how can it be alive for another 10 years?

Oh, is THAT what you got so annoyed about. That's a thing people say in monarchies and have done since 1272. The King is dead, long live the king. It's a phrase, or saying.

Headlines are meant to get people's attention.

Worked.

Like the hand egg one.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Every single one of my sites logs shows that IE6 is the most popular browser.

Google just announced it was dropping support of ie6.

weekly · 02-03-2010, 10:10 AM

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I just think it's FASCINATING how so many people have run into this thread so oddly aggressively. Like I was saying America isn't very good!

Considering the aggressive nature of the topic you posted, I am not sure why you are surprised.

DamianJ · 02-03-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by weekly

Macdonalds does not sell Kobe beef.

Another brilliant contribution, refund. You keep on rocking, girl.

Love your work

x

weekly · 02-03-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Another brilliant contribution, refund. You keep on rocking, girl.

Love your work

x

Yeah I know you do sweety, maybe cause its always been legal. Don't make me mention that nasty illegal shit you sold for years. Now be a good boy and get back on message. I really hate to see people blow holes in their feet. And you were being so well behaved. So don't be raising shit all over again. Your veneer is very, very thin. And I can see you have lit your own fuse one more time.

Amputate Your Head · 02-03-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I just think it's FASCINATING how so many people have run into this thread so oddly aggressively.

I apologize if my comments appeared aggressive, that wasn't my intent.

I agree, things change all the time, and that's usually good. But I've heard this HTML 5 battle cry a hundred times all over the Internet, and it's never put into the perspective of reality.

I was doing Flash interface design all the way back in 1997, and trying to get clients to understand the merits of Flash was like beating my head against a brick wall while simultaneously stabbing myself in the eye with a fork.

Here we are 13 years later and everyone finally 'gets it'. Flash isn't the big scary unknown mystery tech they all thought it was. But that had a lot to do with merely overcoming the plugin 'scariness' factor. With HTML 5 we're talking about fully supportive browsers, agreement between collaborators, and the ever growing end-user apathy towards upgrading anything. Most users can't manage to keep spyware off their systems, let alone get themselves off IE6.

So anyway, I just think you're being overly optimistic about HTML 5 replacing Flash any time soon. (and again, if ever). And from reality's perspective, if your goal is to deliver to as many of your users as possible, then of course you have to use the tech that will accomplish that.

That's all.

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Ravage Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,242	Adobe makes money off a) A visual IDE for Flash development - command line compilation is now free. b) Server architectures for complex callback/relationships with served media. Both of these things (especially (a)) will be needed for html5 to 'replace' flash, and who do you think is best positioned to have market ready tools for development in these spaces. Actionscript is after all just a flavour of ECMA (as is javascript). Adapting their tools to output to html5 apps would not be a huge undertaking. If you don't think Adobe is already working on this, then you're an arse. __________________ Formerly known as Adult Rental Chris ICQ - 452-693-463 \| Skype: xravagex

02-03-2010, 09:16 AM	#89
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	DamienJ, I guess, let me put this another way... We can both agree that Flash is infinitely more advanced & better than Compuserve's old ass GIF in terms of banner design. Yet even as vastly superior as Flash is in every way and then some in that regard, the GIF format lives on to this day. So if HTML 5 is being viewed as a "Flash Killer" based solely on end user video delivery, do you honestly believe Adobe is just going to say, "Well, that's it then. Let's terminate Flash."? Or that developers & designers are going to stop using it? When you speak of something as a Flash Killer, it's going to have to pack more of a punch than just saving a buck on video delivery. It's going to have to be a holographic tactile slut crawling out of the screen and sucking some dick.