spamming - how well does it convert? - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 12-20-2002, 12:44 AM

seriously?

is anyone here making big time cash with email spam? i don't mean program owners (unless they are doing the spamming themselves), i mean affiliates.

as an outsider i would think the conversion ratios would be fucking terrible, unless the lists you are sending to are well-targeted.

i suppose it's all about very high volumes...

what do you think?

Gutterboy · 12-20-2002, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

i suppose it's all about very high volumes...

what do you think?

Agree, its all about the volume. Same as TGP.

sextoyking · 12-20-2002, 12:53 AM

Email ads can be very profitable.

It all depends on the volume of emails, targetted traffic if possible, etc.

We don't send ads anymore, but have affiliates who do.

some make a few hundred dollars per month, some make 30-40k

peace

sextoyking · 12-20-2002, 01:01 AM

Hi Amp,

well I haven't spammed since 1998, but from 1995 to 1998, we had 23 slackware servers on 2 t-1 lines sending out emails 24/7

back then not so many pissed off people as they get now.

I have never had a problem with Spam email, just so it doesn't get to minors.

We locate our "ad" allowed toy stores overseas where there is no problems.

We also setup Landing Page servers for those companies that need that service.

Shalom
todd

Fletch XXX · 12-20-2002, 01:01 AM

'I sit alone in my dark room,
visions of my life flash before me.
Remembering and thinking, Realizing.
The world has only,
Fucked me over.'

Cheers boys and girls.

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 01:04 AM

personally i think spam is where its at provided its as responsible as possible.

obviously, target the traffic as much as you can, but spam is gods gift to adult websites.

i just hope future legislation doesnt strangle it to death like it is doing to the telecom industry.

Apollo · 12-20-2002, 01:05 AM

A company I used to work for used to spam people all the time by greasing the palms of a few techs at some of the large pipes to look the other way. They were spending about 15-20k/month so it must have been doing quite well. Granted now that AOL has had a judgement in their favor to collect damages on spammers to their members it could get quite tricky.

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Apollo
A company I used to work for used to spam people all the time by greasing the palms of a few techs at some of the large pipes to look the other way. They were spending about 15-20k/month so it must have been doing quite well. Granted now that AOL has had a judgement in their favor to collect damages on spammers to their members it could get quite tricky.

still, they are only focusing on the big players - and that judgement against CN was like the second one against the company after they got banned from doing it the first time.

my guess is at the amount of volume they were pushing 7 mil is chump change.

aol needs that cash badly now given their money situation. new corporate jet!

[The Leader] · 12-20-2002, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by sextoyking
Hi Amp,Shalom

Another disapearing Amp post?

sextoyking · 12-20-2002, 01:13 AM

Leader,

someone brings up spam, and AMP runs quick

))

Shaggy · 12-20-2002, 01:17 AM

I'm betting if you had an untouchable server in a 3rd world country and your own program to promote. Using lots of proxies and a high speed connection.

You could probably make shit loads.

I don't spam, but I have never understood all the fuss about it. People annoy me when it comes to bitching about email spam. I would 10X rather get an email I can easily delete, than get a bundled up stack of pizza adds clogging up my mailbox and entrapping my real mail.

But you never hear people bitching about that now do you?People need to shut the fuck up about bitching about it.

Quiet, if you're thinking about it, go ahead. I'm drunk.

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 01:20 AM

fuck yea shaggy spoken like a true ponce

at least we dont cut down trees to send you carpet cleaning coupons you will never use

digital age is beautiful

Kimmykim · 12-20-2002, 01:23 AM

Keep in mind there is NO such thing as an untouchable server. Period.

If you want to give mailing a fling on your way out the door quiet, by all means why not? It works, plenty of multimillionaires that can assure you of that.

MetaformX · 12-20-2002, 01:24 AM

about the conversions...that depends on who your target is ofcourse...If it is just emails that are generated by a bot that goes harvesting emails on the net(and not single or double optin) then you are prolly looking at 1/5 or 1/4 of 1 PERCENT of your emails converting! Now, that may seem like nothing(and it is virtually nothing) but if you are doing alot of volume, it can be good.

I am not sure what the numbers are on single or double optin email, but Im sure it is much better than just email harvesting spam.

sextoyking · 12-20-2002, 01:26 AM

Kimmy,

you are correct, most are called bullet proof mail servers, but nothing is bullet proof either.

there is many ppl who are very well off from email ads, I know a few myself;))

just NO MINORS!!!!

Hugs

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 01:26 AM

yea also as a rule of thumb -

if you are using blind lists or whatever and spamming general traffic to them, remail them for some bs grossout niche. guaranteed you will flip so hard - the people on the internet are SICK i tell you, sick.

cat on dog action here on the discovery channel xxx.

Shaggy · 12-20-2002, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
fuck yea shaggy spoken like a true ponce

at least we dont cut down trees to send you carpet cleaning coupons you will never use

digital age is beautiful

that's what i'm saying, we evolve and we create better technology to save our environment. Then we got whiney ass little bitches crying about having to delete an email.

Fuck em'.

I don't know how we got off on the wrong foot here. It's a sacred sin to email spam, but it's ok to cut down thousands of trees on a daily basis for my real mail to get mixed up in and get accidentaly thrown away. How did this happen? What the fuck? It's really starting to annoy me and I don't even spam!

Can you imagine if the post office shut service off to Wal-Mart for sending out their garbage adds? Give me a fucking break.

RainMan · 12-20-2002, 02:06 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaggy
[B]

I don't know how we got off on the wrong foot here. It's a sacred sin to email spam, but it's ok to cut down thousands of trees on a QUOTE]

I can tell you how we got off to the wrong foot with this. I've been on the net since 1995. And BBS before that, anyone remember FIDO net?

When I got my first spams, I didn't much care. Then I heard the uproar, congress looking into it? I had to ask others what the problem was. I got the bla bla bla, it cost us money to run these servers. Well duh, you put a computer open to the world don't be surprised when the world comes to visit.

It has NOTHING to do with that. Companies do have the problem of having improper e-mails hit employees and the employee then sueing for working environment issues. And people will do it. So companies to have some real issues their.

But where this came from is this. AOL and others have spent a lot of money one what was then called "The Great Experiment"
If us much smaller entities come in and send UCE's not only can we offer products for less money because of our lower cost, AOL can also not charge as much for the advertising on their websites. AOL and others are a coroporation. It's got nothing to do with morals. It's all about money, that's what a corporation does. While there are all kinds of talk about ethics in the classroom, look around you, take a look at Ms. Clean aka Martha Stweart. It ain't morals, it's $$$.

As for how much one can make, I know people that send 20 million e-mails a day. They often make $10,000 a week. No it's not me. Wish it was. ;) It's not cheap to do that. I can provide the contacts for those with the money though for bullet proof servers.

ICQ=176994214

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 02:10 AM

Quote:

As for how much one can make, I know people that send 20 million e-mails a day. They often make $10,000 a week. No it's not me. Wish it was. ;) It's not cheap to do that. I can provide the contacts for those with the money though for bullet proof servers.

trust me, its cheaper than you think.
its methodology - the one dimensional thinking about bulletproof hosting/servers/etc. is a misnomer - bottom line is innovation.

innovate, imitate, playa hate.
in the cards.

sextoyking · 12-20-2002, 02:10 AM

Rainman,

good old fido net. We were a node in portland, or way back when.

good old wildcat and major bbs

)

Shaggy · 12-20-2002, 02:11 AM

that sounds like it has some truth to it, but I still hear smaller entities bitching about it all of the time. A lot of people here at GFY that make their living on adds. I guess it's just a pet peave of mine.

BluMedia · 12-20-2002, 02:13 AM

Well said RainMan. Even though we do not do much spamming it is much better than wasting trees to advertise. I think spamming should be complete legal if they can put shit on your front door, garage door and in your mailbox you should most certainly beable to send emails to advertise. I have even had people try to sell me shit in front of Best Buy but send some emails and your in deep shit.

ColKurtz · 12-20-2002, 02:27 AM

spammers sending email to lists that arent optin can go fuck themself.

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by ColKurtz
spammers sending email to lists that arent optin can go fuck themself.

die heathen the world was built on free enterprise
long live bothersome emails

long live the delete key

nocostporn · 12-20-2002, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ytcracker

i just hope future legislation doesnt strangle it to death like it is doing to the telecom industry.

um yeah lets hope they dont pass laws to make sure people mail legally riiiight...Only people strangling anything is you people doing it illegally

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

um yeah lets hope they dont pass laws to make sure people mail legally riiiight...Only people strangling anything is you people doing it illegally

no one is doing shit illegally.

granted, in every walk of something there is one or two idiots that cost the masses all their glory. if people could fucking use a gun responsibly we would have no laws for gun possession.

'tis the idiots that are tainting the game, not the True Soldiers.

nocostporn · 12-20-2002, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ytcracker

no one is doing shit illegally.

granted, in every walk of something there is one or two idiots that cost the masses all their glory. if people could fucking use a gun responsibly we would have no laws for gun possession.

'tis the idiots that are tainting the game, not the True Soldiers.

well I'm aware of who you are

and I think it's safe to say all of your lists arent opt-in,which means a big percentage of your mails are hitting kids... Unless you're all opt-in, you really shouldnt have a rebuttle for this post

Gary · 12-20-2002, 02:58 AM

spam rules

nocostporn · 12-20-2002, 02:59 AM

and yeah I'm aware there would be a few kids on opt-in lists as well but it really does cut the percentage down

only things wrong with spamming 1)hitting kids 2) using somebody elses money to send your mails... I could careless about the inconvience of getting spam mail,thats the least of what peoples problems should be with it

When the right person gets a spam email,its followed thru to the fullest and a big news story ends up on CNN about how the adult industry is targetting children,dont whine when the hammer comes down

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn

well I'm aware of who you are and I think it's safe to say all of your lists arent opt-in,which means a big percentage of your mails are hitting kids... Unless you're all opt-in, you really shouldnt have a rebuttle for this post

gack - zing i see my reputation preceeds me. ;)

but honestly, i have collected a fair number of optins over the years. the target that i spin to the general populace may theoretically hit a few unwanted recipients, but i seriously try to keep my campaigns as focused as possible. you traditionally can't make money off of people who don't want your shit anyway, so why spam to them? i use remove lists and the whole 9 - no sense getting screwed for something easily avoided.

quiet · 12-20-2002, 03:28 AM

no, not interested in getting into the spam game. we've never sent out a single email spam in 6 years of running paysites. never had any reason to i guess.

but looking through the responses, it's got me curious about mailing my expired members.

i have a strict policy of only emailing members when they email us first (problems/cancellations/etc). i have at least 300K+ emails sitting in the ibill cmi (all expired full month memberships) from my largest site alone. actually it's probably more than that, but whatever.

so hypothetically if i emailed them all to remind them of the site/new content added since they were members/etc - would it be worth the trouble? how well might it actually convert anyway?

and how likely am i to piss anyone off (isps/expired members/etc)?

hmm...

horns · 12-20-2002, 03:40 AM

quiet,

that's an interesting question - I'm sure someone here has done it and has some ideas.

When I ran my member site I also had a similar e-mail policy as you so I decided not to do it.

If you were to do it one thing that would help (with the members anyway) would be to give a discount on the membership

nocostporn · 12-20-2002, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
no, not interested in getting into the spam game. we've never sent out a single email spam in 6 years of running paysites. never had any reason to i guess.

but looking through the responses, it's got me curious about mailing my expired members.

i have a strict policy of only emailing members when they email us first (problems/cancellations/etc). i have at least 300K+ emails sitting in the ibill cmi (all expired full month memberships) from my largest site alone. actually it's probably more than that, but whatever.

so hypothetically if i emailed them all to remind them of the site/new content added since they were members/etc - would it be worth the trouble? how well might it actually convert anyway?

and how likely am i to piss anyone off (isps/expired members/etc)?

hmm...

to me,thats not spamming

1)you know they arent kids 2)you wont be using a server illegally to send 3)its not unsolicited

nocostporn · 12-20-2002, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BluMedia
Well said RainMan. Even though we do not do much spamming it is much better than wasting trees to advertise. I think spamming should be complete legal if they can put shit on your front door, garage door and in your mailbox you should most certainly beable to send emails to advertise. I have even had people try to sell me shit in front of Best Buy but send some emails and your in deep shit.

it should be illegal to pay postage to send snail mail "spam"? theres a very bold line between spamming and bulk mailing legally... bulk mailing can be compared to snail mail junk but spamming cant

kevinl · 12-20-2002, 03:51 AM

If you have a server set up in Asia or Europe is spamming from there illegal? I thought spam was only illegal in the States. Do overseas processors allow spam.

twistyneck · 12-20-2002, 03:53 AM

All of you spamming pricks can fuck off and die. I can't wait for the day when it's a fucking felony.

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 03:55 AM

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Originally posted by twistyneck
All of you spamming pricks can fuck off and die. I can't wait for the day when it's a fucking felony.

jealousy is a female trait

twistyneck · 12-20-2002, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ytcracker

jealousy is a female trait

Eat shit you little cocksmoker.

p1mpdogg · 12-20-2002, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
no, not interested in getting into the spam game. we've never sent out a single email spam in 6 years of running paysites. never had any reason to i guess.

but looking through the responses, it's got me curious about mailing my expired members.

i have a strict policy of only emailing members when they email us first (problems/cancellations/etc). i have at least 300K+ emails sitting in the ibill cmi (all expired full month memberships) from my largest site alone. actually it's probably more than that, but whatever.

so hypothetically if i emailed them all to remind them of the site/new content added since they were members/etc - would it be worth the trouble? how well might it actually convert anyway?

and how likely am i to piss anyone off (isps/expired members/etc)?

hmm...

expired members lists rock!

If you were with paycom, you could mail that 300k, and all the recipeint would have todo is click the link in the ad, and once he/she is at the page is input thier email address again in a certain field, and BOOM... they are an active member again. No other processor can do this yet i dont think. everyone else has to signup with ALL thier info including cc again.

anyways, that 300k is very valuable list obviously, and they are optin. So i would be mailing that fucker every 10 minutes till i had the fbi at my door asking my why i was clogging up the mail servers throughout the country.

In reguards to spamming

.. My favorite topic. Spam rules, I wouldnt have a pot to piss in with ot it. $PAM 4 LIFE

ytcracker · 12-20-2002, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

Eat shit you little cocksmoker.

you are mean

kenny · 12-20-2002, 04:50 AM

I asked ounce about spam and got flamed

frankfortuna · 12-20-2002, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg

expired members lists rock!

If you were with paycom, you could mail that 300k, and all the recipeint would have todo is click the link in the ad, and once he/she is at the page is input thier email address again in a certain field, and BOOM... they are an active member again. No other processor can do this yet i dont think. everyone else has to signup with ALL thier info including cc again.

That's an interesting process you've described. That's a great marketing tool to exploit, given the pre-qualification aspect.

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L0stMind · 12-20-2002, 05:03 AM

My personal opinion is that spam and junk mail are similar but slightly different.

I have yet to see a hardcore adult junk mail come thru my slot.

I get 10-12 hardcore spams per day to an address that I have not used anywhere on the net. Seems strange somehow. So I definitely can see how kids can get hit with this.

But mailing an optin list? bah, imo it should be no problem.

Sad thing is, one person complains because the wife caught a glimpse into his online porn addiction and spamcop is all over it and before you know it upstream providers are calling you.

The hardcore anti spam people scare me. I have never sent a mailer in my life. However, being a host I have had some customers send a mailer or two (and we been thru a number of formmail exploits). And man, I have had more death threats and threats of physical harm then you can imagine. People are psycho.

I am with p1mpdogg.. that 300k list of emails from members - hit it up once or twice for fun.

That 30 million list you bought for $200... toss it in the garbage cuz you are going to hit a bunch of kids.

Sambuka · 12-20-2002, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
I asked ounce about spam and got flamed

You don't have the respect like "quiet" does. We all listen and pay attention to successful people.

And yes it pisses me off when all these webmasters bitch about spam when its not that big a deal if you get a good filter. I am more pissed off at those damn spam mails that send me 8-15 300k bloody email viriuses EACH AND EVERY DAY!! 10-20 spams I can handle and I don't even use a filter.

I'm working on my new spamming enpire right now, (wish me luck)

Sammy

init · 12-20-2002, 08:59 AM

hello ytc, long time no see buddy

american pervert · 12-20-2002, 09:07 AM

I got good lists....

tony at americanpervert dot com

Shaggy · 12-20-2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

Eat shit you little cocksmoker.

buran · 12-20-2002, 11:27 AM

If you're looking to send large volumes of mail I've got a program for campaign management. Starts at $9,975 and scales up as you add more mail servers. Most of the features are not really useful to blatant spammers though, no proxies, no relays, no IP changing/spoofing, etc. But if you've got legit email and you want to determine country, get opener/click counts, etc. check out http://www.humaniq.com/mailcluster

brutus · 12-20-2002, 11:46 AM

SPAM will kill you man-o-man some double opt-in subscribers who get's the sales mail feels like it's a war. Who cares - as long as you don't live in the USA. I'Send out few million - it's worth of it if you don't care about letters / email saying "YOU ARE DEATH MAN!". honestly - who cares - as long as it's double opt-in list(s). Good luck but don't blow your head.

Kimmykim · 12-20-2002, 04:39 PM

well quiet, here's what I would do.

I'd take my members that converted to a full month, and I would mail them at myself, either same site, new price or different site along the same lines as the one they converted to.

Now my bandwidth sucking leeches, the ones that cancelled on trial, well, I'd mail them at the highest paying per join program I could find that will let you mail them.

That's if you have them sorted like that ;)

12-20-2002, 12:44 AM	#1
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	spamming - how well does it convert? seriously? is anyone here making big time cash with email spam? i don't mean program owners (unless they are doing the spamming themselves), i mean affiliates. as an outsider i would think the conversion ratios would be fucking terrible, unless the lists you are sending to are well-targeted. i suppose it's all about very high volumes... what do you think? __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

12-20-2002, 12:53 AM	#3
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Email ads can be very profitable. It all depends on the volume of emails, targetted traffic if possible, etc. We don't send ads anymore, but have affiliates who do. some make a few hundred dollars per month, some make 30-40k peace __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

12-20-2002, 01:01 AM	#4
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Hi Amp, well I haven't spammed since 1998, but from 1995 to 1998, we had 23 slackware servers on 2 t-1 lines sending out emails 24/7 back then not so many pissed off people as they get now. I have never had a problem with Spam email, just so it doesn't get to minors. We locate our "ad" allowed toy stores overseas where there is no problems. We also setup Landing Page servers for those companies that need that service. Shalom todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

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12-20-2002, 01:04 AM	#6
ytcracker stc is the greatest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: rip sean murray Posts: 12,403	personally i think spam is where its at provided its as responsible as possible. obviously, target the traffic as much as you can, but spam is gods gift to adult websites. i just hope future legislation doesnt strangle it to death like it is doing to the telecom industry. __________________ www.ytcracker.com \| www.digitalgangster.com i love you

12-20-2002, 01:05 AM	#7
Apollo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 433	A company I used to work for used to spam people all the time by greasing the palms of a few techs at some of the large pipes to look the other way. They were spending about 15-20k/month so it must have been doing quite well. Granted now that AOL has had a judgement in their favor to collect damages on spammers to their members it could get quite tricky. __________________ ----------- Free automated way to rotate sponsor gallery thumbnails on your sites TgpWizards - Free TGP Gallery submission system

12-20-2002, 01:13 AM	#10
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Leader, someone brings up spam, and AMP runs quick )) __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

12-20-2002, 01:17 AM	#11
Shaggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 570	I'm betting if you had an untouchable server in a 3rd world country and your own program to promote. Using lots of proxies and a high speed connection. You could probably make shit loads. I don't spam, but I have never understood all the fuss about it. People annoy me when it comes to bitching about email spam. I would 10X rather get an email I can easily delete, than get a bundled up stack of pizza adds clogging up my mailbox and entrapping my real mail. But you never hear people bitching about that now do you?People need to shut the fuck up about bitching about it. Quiet, if you're thinking about it, go ahead. I'm drunk.

12-20-2002, 01:20 AM	#12
ytcracker stc is the greatest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: rip sean murray Posts: 12,403	fuck yea shaggy spoken like a true ponce at least we dont cut down trees to send you carpet cleaning coupons you will never use digital age is beautiful __________________ www.ytcracker.com \| www.digitalgangster.com i love you

12-20-2002, 01:23 AM	#13
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Keep in mind there is NO such thing as an untouchable server. Period. If you want to give mailing a fling on your way out the door quiet, by all means why not? It works, plenty of multimillionaires that can assure you of that.

12-20-2002, 01:24 AM	#14
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	about the conversions...that depends on who your target is ofcourse...If it is just emails that are generated by a bot that goes harvesting emails on the net(and not single or double optin) then you are prolly looking at 1/5 or 1/4 of 1 PERCENT of your emails converting! Now, that may seem like nothing(and it is virtually nothing) but if you are doing alot of volume, it can be good. I am not sure what the numbers are on single or double optin email, but Im sure it is much better than just email harvesting spam.

12-20-2002, 01:26 AM	#15
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Kimmy, you are correct, most are called bullet proof mail servers, but nothing is bullet proof either. there is many ppl who are very well off from email ads, I know a few myself;)) just NO MINORS!!!! Hugs __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

12-20-2002, 02:06 AM	#18
RainMan Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 15	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaggy [B] I don't know how we got off on the wrong foot here. It's a sacred sin to email spam, but it's ok to cut down thousands of trees on a QUOTE] I can tell you how we got off to the wrong foot with this. I've been on the net since 1995. And BBS before that, anyone remember FIDO net? When I got my first spams, I didn't much care. Then I heard the uproar, congress looking into it? I had to ask others what the problem was. I got the bla bla bla, it cost us money to run these servers. Well duh, you put a computer open to the world don't be surprised when the world comes to visit. It has NOTHING to do with that. Companies do have the problem of having improper e-mails hit employees and the employee then sueing for working environment issues. And people will do it. So companies to have some real issues their. But where this came from is this. AOL and others have spent a lot of money one what was then called "The Great Experiment" If us much smaller entities come in and send UCE's not only can we offer products for less money because of our lower cost, AOL can also not charge as much for the advertising on their websites. AOL and others are a coroporation. It's got nothing to do with morals. It's all about money, that's what a corporation does. While there are all kinds of talk about ethics in the classroom, look around you, take a look at Ms. Clean aka Martha Stweart. It ain't morals, it's $$$. As for how much one can make, I know people that send 20 million e-mails a day. They often make $10,000 a week. No it's not me. Wish it was. ;) It's not cheap to do that. I can provide the contacts for those with the money though for bullet proof servers. ICQ=176994214 __________________ ---------------- ICQ = 177993094

12-20-2002, 02:10 AM	#20
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Rainman, good old fido net. We were a node in portland, or way back when. good old wildcat and major bbs ) __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

12-20-2002, 02:11 AM	#21
Shaggy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 570	that sounds like it has some truth to it, but I still hear smaller entities bitching about it all of the time. A lot of people here at GFY that make their living on adds. I guess it's just a pet peave of mine.

12-20-2002, 02:13 AM	#22
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	Well said RainMan. Even though we do not do much spamming it is much better than wasting trees to advertise. I think spamming should be complete legal if they can put shit on your front door, garage door and in your mailbox you should most certainly beable to send emails to advertise. I have even had people try to sell me shit in front of Best Buy but send some emails and your in deep shit. __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats

12-20-2002, 02:27 AM	#23
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	spammers sending email to lists that arent optin can go fuck themself.

12-20-2002, 02:58 AM	#28
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	spam rules

12-20-2002, 02:59 AM	#29
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	and yeah I'm aware there would be a few kids on opt-in lists as well but it really does cut the percentage down only things wrong with spamming 1)hitting kids 2) using somebody elses money to send your mails... I could careless about the inconvience of getting spam mail,thats the least of what peoples problems should be with it When the right person gets a spam email,its followed thru to the fullest and a big news story ends up on CNN about how the adult industry is targetting children,dont whine when the hammer comes down __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

12-20-2002, 03:28 AM	#31
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	no, not interested in getting into the spam game. we've never sent out a single email spam in 6 years of running paysites. never had any reason to i guess. but looking through the responses, it's got me curious about mailing my expired members. i have a strict policy of only emailing members when they email us first (problems/cancellations/etc). i have at least 300K+ emails sitting in the ibill cmi (all expired full month memberships) from my largest site alone. actually it's probably more than that, but whatever. so hypothetically if i emailed them all to remind them of the site/new content added since they were members/etc - would it be worth the trouble? how well might it actually convert anyway? and how likely am i to piss anyone off (isps/expired members/etc)? hmm... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

12-20-2002, 03:40 AM	#32
horns Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: where? Posts: 238	quiet, that's an interesting question - I'm sure someone here has done it and has some ideas. When I ran my member site I also had a similar e-mail policy as you so I decided not to do it. If you were to do it one thing that would help (with the members anyway) would be to give a discount on the membership

12-20-2002, 03:51 AM	#35
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	If you have a server set up in Asia or Europe is spamming from there illegal? I thought spam was only illegal in the States. Do overseas processors allow spam. __________________ kevinl

12-20-2002, 03:53 AM	#36
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	All of you spamming pricks can fuck off and die. I can't wait for the day when it's a fucking felony.

12-20-2002, 04:50 AM	#41
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	I asked ounce about spam and got flamed

12-20-2002, 05:03 AM	#43
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	My personal opinion is that spam and junk mail are similar but slightly different. I have yet to see a hardcore adult junk mail come thru my slot. I get 10-12 hardcore spams per day to an address that I have not used anywhere on the net. Seems strange somehow. So I definitely can see how kids can get hit with this. But mailing an optin list? bah, imo it should be no problem. Sad thing is, one person complains because the wife caught a glimpse into his online porn addiction and spamcop is all over it and before you know it upstream providers are calling you. The hardcore anti spam people scare me. I have never sent a mailer in my life. However, being a host I have had some customers send a mailer or two (and we been thru a number of formmail exploits). And man, I have had more death threats and threats of physical harm then you can imagine. People are psycho. I am with p1mpdogg.. that 300k list of emails from members - hit it up once or twice for fun. That 30 million list you bought for $200... toss it in the garbage cuz you are going to hit a bunch of kids.

12-20-2002, 08:59 AM	#45
init Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 973	hello ytc, long time no see buddy __________________ icq: 2721653

12-20-2002, 09:07 AM	#46
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	I got good lists.... tony at americanpervert dot com __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

12-20-2002, 11:27 AM	#48
buran Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: how'd I get here? Posts: 264	If you're looking to send large volumes of mail I've got a program for campaign management. Starts at $9,975 and scales up as you add more mail servers. Most of the features are not really useful to blatant spammers though, no proxies, no relays, no IP changing/spoofing, etc. But if you've got legit email and you want to determine country, get opener/click counts, etc. check out http://www.humaniq.com/mailcluster __________________ [this signature intentionally left blank]

12-20-2002, 11:46 AM	#49
brutus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Living in the bottle. Posts: 590	SPAM will kill you man-o-man some double opt-in subscribers who get's the sales mail feels like it's a war. Who cares - as long as you don't live in the USA. I'Send out few million - it's worth of it if you don't care about letters / email saying "YOU ARE DEATH MAN!". honestly - who cares - as long as it's double opt-in list(s). Good luck but don't blow your head.

12-20-2002, 04:39 PM	#50
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	well quiet, here's what I would do. I'd take my members that converted to a full month, and I would mail them at myself, either same site, new price or different site along the same lines as the one they converted to. Now my bandwidth sucking leeches, the ones that cancelled on trial, well, I'd mail them at the highest paying per join program I could find that will let you mail them. That's if you have them sorted like that ;)